Casting Out Sickness | Sickness and Demons

[Nattmaran]

James 2:18, "Show me your faith apart from your works and I by my works will show you my faith." They go hand in hand. The more we trust God, the more we do in His name. The more we do in His name, the more we trust God. Each time our faith increases we become bolder and can do more in His name. It's a beautiful cycle. Each of us is in a diffeent place with the Lord, just like when Jesus was on earth. He had disciples who were close to Him and He had other followers on the periphery and others that were somewhere in between. There were times when the disciples were able to cast out demons and sickness and there were times when they were not able to. Jesus HImself could not perform many miracles in His hometown because of unbelief. Our faith in CHrist brings us salvation and deliverance only when we believe it. It's always there, we just have to believe it. Our faith in Christ brings us healing. It's always there, we just have to believe it. However, because we don't see many miracles today and because there is so much confusion in the church, we shouldn't be surprised that people aren't getting healed regularly. If we don't have unshakeable faith in basic teachings that clearly state which things are sin and which things are holy, it's to be expected that things like healing could get lost in the mix. We all just have to keep praying for God's mercy and ask for His guidance to lead our lives.

There have been cases where parents have prayed for their children to heal from sickness instead of taking them to the doctor just to get antibiotics.

Faith in God is one thing... stupidity another.

Read history... even religious people during the middle ages (and that was a really christian era in Europe) did not live long and suffered from terrible afflictions. The great plauge they did see as a punishment from God when it was actually a disease carried by rats... but since they convinced everybode that it was Gods will noone was allowed to come with other explenations of the plauge.

And all of this led to that the church lost power. People reliased that the priest did not know what they were talking about when it came to diseases and that they should listen to "experts" (doctors, wise old women or nuns and monks that were pioneers in health care) that had no religious explanation but a real world explanation... such a simple thing such as keeping sick people and healty people apart because they realised that the plague spread between people and that it was a natural consequence of the disease and not an act of God.

Had the church in this time been supportive, helped people and not been stubborn and narrow minded they might have come out of it with higher regard... and not the downward slope that started after the plauge...

If you are on a sinking ship you don't stand still and pray to God... you runt to the life boat.

 

[hislastwalk]

There have been cases where parents have prayed for their children to heal from sickness instead of taking them to the doctor just to get antibiotics.

Faith in God is one thing... stupidity another.

Read history... even religious people during the middle ages (and that was a really christian era in Europe) did not live long and suffered from terrible afflictions. The great plauge they did see as a punishment from God when it was actually a disease carried by rats... but since they convinced everybode that it was Gods will noone was allowed to come with other explenations of the plauge.

And all of this led to that the church lost power. People reliased that the priest did not know what they were talking about when it came to diseases and that they should listen to "experts" (doctors, wise old women or nuns and monks that were pioneers in health care) that had no religious explanation but a real world explanation... such a simple thing such as keeping sick people and healty people apart because they realised that the plague spread between people and that it was a natural consequence of the disease and not an act of God.

Had the church in this time been supportive, helped people and not been stubborn and narrow minded they might have come out of it with higher regard... and not the downward slope that started after the plauge...

If you are on a sinking ship you don't stand still and pray to God... you runt to the life boat.

So you call Jesus a liar?

 

[hislastwalk]

I don't need health care. I have Jesus. I been healed from sickness time & time again. The problem is when you're not healed, people just don't wanna own up to the fact that their faith was weak.

 

[hislastwalk]

Oh & the bible says the revelation of Jesus' blood would be foolishness, (stupidity) to those who don't truly know God.

 

[Nattmaran]

So you call Jesus a liar?

No... but people lie constantly... and people are stupid and ignorant constantly.

We have hospitals and doctors for a reason.

 

[Nattmaran]

I don't need health care. I have Jesus. I been healed from sickness time & time again. The problem is when you're not healed, people just don't wanna own up to the fact that their faith was weak.

Oh... well then... every time I have had a headache or a cold or some other mild affliction Jesus has healed me... a miracle! I had a runny nose and now a couple of days later Jesus healed me and I am healthy again.

Let me give you a simple example because it seems you are set on not trying to understand what I mean.

If you caught fire by an accident do you:
A: Pray to Jesus to stop the flames.
B: Throw yourself in the nearby pool and quell the flames.

 

[Nattmaran]

Oh & the bible says the revelation of Jesus' blood would be foolishness, (stupidity) to those who don't truly know God.

I guess you are talking about yourself now

But hey... if you feel that you don't need health care... fine...

But to say that people that get sick and die does it because they are not close enough to God is just mean and wrong. Think of all small children that die from cancer and they pray to God to save them and he don't... is it just because that they have not enough faith?

 

[hislastwalk]

I guess you are talking about yourself now

But hey... if you feel that you don't need health care... fine...

But to say that people that get sick and die does it because they are not close enough to God is just mean and wrong. Think of all small children that die from cancer and they pray to God to save them and he don't... is it just because that they have not enough faith?

I never said they weren't close to God. They just didn't have faith that he will heal them.

 

[hislastwalk]

Oh... well then... every time I have had a headache or a cold or some other mild affliction Jesus has healed me... a miracle! I had a runny nose and now a couple of days later Jesus healed me and I am healthy again.

Let me give you a simple example because it seems you are set on not trying to understand what I mean.

If you caught fire by an accident do you:
A: Pray to Jesus to stop the flames.
B: Throw yourself in the nearby pool and quell the flames.

I wouldn't pray, I'd command them in Jesus name. Jesus didn't command us to pray for the sick, he commanded us to heal them.

 

[kayem77]

Do you remember Job? God allowed Satan to cause him illness, and we know that Job was a faithful and righteous man,but we also know God can use anything for his glory. In the Acts of the Apostles as well as in Jesus' times, miraculous acts were used as a sign to unbelievers as the Bible says:

This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him. John 2:11

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. John 2:23

He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." John 3:2

So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. Acts 14:3


These are just some of them, we know Jesus and the Apostles did many other wonders, but the reason behind these signs was always to confirm the power of God, it was a way to confirm Christianity was the only way, a way to show people the power of God. However, Jesus also said that ''blessed are the ones who have not seen, yet have believed''. They didn't want to start a life with no doctors and no pain, a life where every illnesss was healed, they wanted to introduce our powerful and sovereign God to them, and signs and wonders was a way to do it.

Salvation comes by faith, not by signs, if we make our faith dependant of miracles rather than dependant in Jesus and the hope which we have not seen, I would say that is actually lack of faith, It's easy to believe when you see wonders, isn't it?

I watched a testimony a while ago about a guy who was born with no legs and no arms. His whole life he felt miserable and blamed God for not giving him arms and legs. When he came to know Jesus, he changed to say that God was unfair to say that he was grateful for not having arms and legs, because that way he came to know and love God more than anything else in his life. I don't know if my faith is as big as his, especially in circumstances like his, but the fact that he thanked God instead of blaming him was beautiful and powerful.

Saying that sickness is always caused by lack of faith is, in all respect, a VERY harmful statement. I don't know what you mean by saying that God told you you were not going to die of sickness, but if that were always the case...believers wouldn't grow old. Most people die of some sickness as they get old, there is ALWAYS a medical reason before death. As I said before, you don't die of being old, you die because you had a heart attack and your heart stopped, you die by the slow deteriotation of your cells which causes diseases eventually, your body simply gets weaker and weaker and more prone to illnesses.

While I don't doubt God can heal people, he also knows when to do it. If we ask, we receive right? but God also said '' according to MY will'', not ours. If we know God tests our hearts from time to time, who are we to tell him how to test us?
We certainly don't like being tested, I know I don't, but I know the promises God made, and I know there will be a time when there won't be any more pain, tears, and sickness . Jesus didn't say believe in me and all your problems and illnesses will go away, he said come to me and you will have everlasting life. Being born into life and death to sin is a great miracle by itself.

By the way it's also worthy to note that Luke was a doctor, and was called '' the beloved physician'' by Paul ( Colossians 4:13). If Luke was a believer and he was among believers, wouldn't he had quit his job? Paul also writes to Timothy telling him to drink wine because of his frequent illnesses( 1Tim 5:2) . Paul, being who he was, very upfront and quick to reproach sinful behavior, would have the been the first one to scold Timothy for his ''lack of faith'', instead, he just gives him medical advice and calls Timothy his ''true son in the faith''.

Can God heal people? Of course, he can make stones sing and elephants fly if he wanted to :9, but this is not always the case, and if it's not, even then we have to glorify him.

 

[Crossfire]

I have several friends in missions overseas who are now or have been in Africa, Asia, South America and throughout the islands of the Pacific. Each and everyone one of them will tell you that nothing can win a village or an island over to Christ like healing the sick.

Most had never heard of Jesus much less heard the gospel itself before these teams enter. They will pray and fast for a period of time to be sure that what they are about to do is being done the way God wants it, then they go in and start praying / laying on of hands and people do recover. Often times they demons will manifest themselves and they will have to cast them out. When the locals see one of their own healed from something that has plagued that person for years, they will gladly receive the gospel because they now know that this God who heals is the real deal.

 

[Crossfire]

Do you remember Job? God allowed Satan to cause him illness, and we know that Job was a faithful and righteous man,but we also know God can use anything for his glory. In the Acts of the Apostles as well as in Jesus' times, miraculous acts were used as a sign to unbelievers as the Bible says:

This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him. John 2:11

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. John 2:23

He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." John 3:2

So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. Acts 14:3


These are just some of them, we know Jesus and the Apostles did many other wonders, but the reason behind these signs was always to confirm the power of God, it was a way to confirm Christianity was the only way, a way to show people the power of God. However, Jesus also said that ''blessed are the ones who have not seen, yet have believed''. They didn't want to start a life with no doctors and no pain, a life where every illnesss was healed, they wanted to introduce our powerful and sovereign God to them, and signs and wonders was a way to do it.

Salvation comes by faith, not by signs, if we make our faith dependant of miracles rather than dependant in Jesus and the hope which we have not seen, I would say that is actually lack of faith, It's easy to believe when you see wonders, isn't it?

I watched a testimony a while ago about a guy who was born with no legs and no arms. His whole life he felt miserable and blamed God for not giving him arms and legs. When he came to know Jesus, he changed to say that God was unfair to say that he was grateful for not having arms and legs, because that way he came to know and love God more than anything else in his life. I don't know if my faith is as big as his, especially in circumstances like his, but the fact that he thanked God instead of blaming him was beautiful and powerful.

Saying that sickness is always caused by lack of faith is, in all respect, a VERY harmful statement. I don't know what you mean by saying that God told you you were not going to die of sickness, but if that were always the case...believers wouldn't grow old. Most people die of some sickness as they get old, there is ALWAYS a medical reason before death. As I said before, you don't die of being old, you die because you had a heart attack and your heart stopped, you die by the slow deteriotation of your cells which causes diseases eventually, your body simply gets weaker and weaker and more prone to illnesses.

While I don't doubt God can heal people, he also knows when to do it. If we ask, we receive right? but God also said '' according to MY will'', not ours. If we know God tests our hearts from time to time, who are we to tell him how to test us?
We certainly don't like being tested, I know I don't, but I know the promises God made, and I know there will be a time when there won't be any more pain, tears, and sickness . Jesus didn't say believe in me and all your problems and illnesses will go away, he said come to me and you will have everlasting life. Being born into life and death to sin is a great miracle by itself.

By the way it's also worthy to note that Luke was a doctor, and was called '' the beloved physician'' by Paul ( Colossians 4:13). If Luke was a believer and he was among believers, wouldn't he had quit his job? Paul also writes to Timothy telling him to drink wine because of his frequent illnesses( 1Tim 5:2) . Paul, being who he was, very upfront and quick to reproach sinful behavior, would have the been the first one to scold Timothy for his ''lack of faith'', instead, he just gives him medical advice and calls Timothy his ''true son in the faith''.

Can God heal people? Of course, he can make stones sing and elephants fly if he wanted to :9, but this is not always the case, and if it's not, even then we have to glorify him.

I don't believe anyone has insinuated that sickness is caused by a lack of faith. All sickness is a direct result of living in a fallen world. There are numerous factors as to why someone could be sick, many of which are no fault of their own.

Personally, I have seen many people healed instantly. I have also encountered many who never receive divine healing despite praying for it on numerous occasions. I can't tell you why some people are healed while some are not. Of course, I have my suspicions but they are simply that, suspicions, thus they are not worth mentioning.

 

[lil_christian]

So me and my aunt were sitting here in her living room, talking about Andrew Wommack's "Speak to the Problem" sermon, and God like literally spoke to me, and I just wanted to share what He told me.

God said, "The same way you would talk, and command a demon to leave, is the same exact way you should command sickness to leave."

See, the same exact power that rose CHRIST from the dead, lives inside of us!!! That's AMAZING, although many Christians don't really understand what it means... I found that when many of us pray, we ask God to heal, and we beg him. Why ask for something that's already been paid for? Recently, I have been doing some street ministry, and God's been leading me into healing. I've seen God heal my dog from worms, completely.

I knew she had worms, and we've been giving her medicine, but it just never, ever healed her... she kept getting her worms. I got tired of it, and last night I held her, and lay my hands on her stomach. I commanded the worms to die, and disappear. INSTANTLY I felt her stomach shrinking, it was amazing.

Today my aunt told me she had something wrong with her arm, I commanded it to leave in Jesus name, and it left.

You will know them by the fruits they bear.

I just find it odd that so many Christians beg for healing, when God says he gave us authority and power through Christ Jesus.

Think about it..

-Kyle

Okay so, I'm assuming you believe in Spiritual Gifts. I'm glad you do. So do I.


Now, one of the Spiritual Gifts is healing, which I see that you know that. From the sounds of it, you might be one. But, not everyone is. And so not everyone can just say "In the name of Jesus Christ, BE HEALED!" and that person will be healed. Especially if healing is not their gift.

Like, I've had someone who is strong in the Lord and is very strong in her faith and has a lot of wisdom say, "You're gonna be an evangelist." and so, I probably have the gift of evangelism. I've had people say I might have the gift of prophecy and discernment. And even though music isn't listed as a spiritual gift, I personally think that people CAN have music as a spiritual gift. I have that. And so, what I plan to do in college, is major in music and worship, and I'm gonna minor in a ministry. I don't have the gift of healing.

Now, sometimes a person who doesn't have that gift, CAN heal. But it's not gonna be something that happens as often as someone who DOES have the gift of healing. And, God is not always gonna be like "Okay, you're healed." especially in the physical manner. But in the spiritual manner, people can be and are healed sometimes.

I hope that what I say doesn't offend, but actually helps and clears up some things. And most of all, I hope I make sense!! yeesh I don't know how many times I've confused even myself in what I've tried to post. lol

 

[Restored]

hislastwalk,

You have been given authority by Jesus Christ to bind that spirit of infirmity Matthew 16:19 " And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" and Matthew 18:18 "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." People might tell you that you cannot bind anything, but brother, what you CANNOT do is unlearn what Jesus already showed you. Your eyes are open to the truth.. the enemy got to you too late with his lies!! HAHA! Mark 16:17-18 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover" Notice this scripture is written regarding those who "BELIEVE" not those who don't believe.

We are to speak to the mountain.. and if you have faith and believe you will have what you say, and do not doubt in your heart AND SPEAK.. you can cast a mountain into the sea-- with the SMALLEST FAITH THERE IS...mustard seed faith. Some do not believe and some are NOT willing to be a doer of the Word. I praise God your eyes are open to the truth- Now to those who do not believe- pray for them.. for their eyes to be open in the same manner.. SPEAK TO THE MOUNTAIN..
If they won't hear.. wipe the dust off your feet brother.

P.S. Remember what the Andrew Womack said.. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAITH, THIS IS JESUS' FAITH. HE'S THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF YOUR FAITH.. keep allowing Him to perfect it.. and don't be persuaded by mens thoughts or religious views. He is the way the truth and life-- every other way is the WRONG WAY, THE LIE, and DEATH. Pray against backlash from the enemy.. I've been getting it lately as well because the enemy knows his time is short. Rev 12:12

God Bless you,

Restored

 

[hislastwalk]

Okay so, I'm assuming you believe in Spiritual Gifts. I'm glad you do. So do I.


Now, one of the Spiritual Gifts is healing, which I see that you know that. From the sounds of it, you might be one. But, not everyone is. And so not everyone can just say "In the name of Jesus Christ, BE HEALED!" and that person will be healed. Especially if healing is not their gift.

Like, I've had someone who is strong in the Lord and is very strong in her faith and has a lot of wisdom say, "You're gonna be an evangelist." and so, I probably have the gift of evangelism. I've had people say I might have the gift of prophecy and discernment. And even though music isn't listed as a spiritual gift, I personally think that people CAN have music as a spiritual gift. I have that. And so, what I plan to do in college, is major in music and worship, and I'm gonna minor in a ministry. I don't have the gift of healing.

Now, sometimes a person who doesn't have that gift, CAN heal. But it's not gonna be something that happens as often as someone who DOES have the gift of healing. And, God is not always gonna be like "Okay, you're healed." especially in the physical manner. But in the spiritual manner, people can be and are healed sometimes.

I hope that what I say doesn't offend, but actually helps and clears up some things. And most of all, I hope I make sense!! yeesh I don't know how many times I've confused even myself in what I've tried to post. lol

I agree, but I believe we all have that gift, some just need to 'exercise' it. Know what I mean? o.o

 

[hislastwalk]

Do you remember Job? God allowed Satan to cause him illness, and we know that Job was a faithful and righteous man,but we also know God can use anything for his glory. In the Acts of the Apostles as well as in Jesus' times, miraculous acts were used as a sign to unbelievers as the Bible says:

This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him. John 2:11

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. John 2:23

He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." John 3:2

So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. Acts 14:3


These are just some of them, we know Jesus and the Apostles did many other wonders, but the reason behind these signs was always to confirm the power of God, it was a way to confirm Christianity was the only way, a way to show people the power of God. However, Jesus also said that ''blessed are the ones who have not seen, yet have believed''. They didn't want to start a life with no doctors and no pain, a life where every illnesss was healed, they wanted to introduce our powerful and sovereign God to them, and signs and wonders was a way to do it.

Salvation comes by faith, not by signs, if we make our faith dependant of miracles rather than dependant in Jesus and the hope which we have not seen, I would say that is actually lack of faith, It's easy to believe when you see wonders, isn't it?

I watched a testimony a while ago about a guy who was born with no legs and no arms. His whole life he felt miserable and blamed God for not giving him arms and legs. When he came to know Jesus, he changed to say that God was unfair to say that he was grateful for not having arms and legs, because that way he came to know and love God more than anything else in his life. I don't know if my faith is as big as his, especially in circumstances like his, but the fact that he thanked God instead of blaming him was beautiful and powerful.

Saying that sickness is always caused by lack of faith is, in all respect, a VERY harmful statement. I don't know what you mean by saying that God told you you were not going to die of sickness, but if that were always the case...believers wouldn't grow old. Most people die of some sickness as they get old, there is ALWAYS a medical reason before death. As I said before, you don't die of being old, you die because you had a heart attack and your heart stopped, you die by the slow deteriotation of your cells which causes diseases eventually, your body simply gets weaker and weaker and more prone to illnesses.

While I don't doubt God can heal people, he also knows when to do it. If we ask, we receive right? but God also said '' according to MY will'', not ours. If we know God tests our hearts from time to time, who are we to tell him how to test us?
We certainly don't like being tested, I know I don't, but I know the promises God made, and I know there will be a time when there won't be any more pain, tears, and sickness . Jesus didn't say believe in me and all your problems and illnesses will go away, he said come to me and you will have everlasting life. Being born into life and death to sin is a great miracle by itself.

By the way it's also worthy to note that Luke was a doctor, and was called '' the beloved physician'' by Paul ( Colossians 4:13). If Luke was a believer and he was among believers, wouldn't he had quit his job? Paul also writes to Timothy telling him to drink wine because of his frequent illnesses( 1Tim 5:2) . Paul, being who he was, very upfront and quick to reproach sinful behavior, would have the been the first one to scold Timothy for his ''lack of faith'', instead, he just gives him medical advice and calls Timothy his ''true son in the faith''.

Can God heal people? Of course, he can make stones sing and elephants fly if he wanted to :9, but this is not always the case, and if it's not, even then we have to glorify him.

Remember, in the OT Jesus' blood hadn't been spilled yet /;

 

[hislastwalk]

I have several friends in missions overseas who are now or have been in Africa, Asia, South America and throughout the islands of the Pacific. Each and everyone one of them will tell you that nothing can win a village or an island over to Christ like healing the sick.

Most had never heard of Jesus much less heard the gospel itself before these teams enter. They will pray and fast for a period of time to be sure that what they are about to do is being done the way God wants it, then they go in and start praying / laying on of hands and people do recover. Often times they demons will manifest themselves and they will have to cast them out. When the locals see one of their own healed from something that has plagued that person for years, they will gladly receive the gospel because they now know that this God who heals is the real deal.

Yep. The bible says the apostles didn't just preach the word, they demonstrated the power. ^^

 

[hislastwalk]

hislastwalk,

You have been given authority by Jesus Christ to bind that spirit of infirmity Matthew 16:19 " And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" and Matthew 18:18 "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." People might tell you that you cannot bind anything, but brother, what you CANNOT do is unlearn what Jesus already showed you. Your eyes are open to the truth.. the enemy got to you too late with his lies!! HAHA! Mark 16:17-18 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover" Notice this scripture is written regarding those who "BELIEVE" not those who don't believe.

We are to speak to the mountain.. and if you have faith and believe you will have what you say, and do not doubt in your heart AND SPEAK.. you can cast a mountain into the sea-- with the SMALLEST FAITH THERE IS...mustard seed faith. Some do not believe and some are NOT willing to be a doer of the Word. I praise God your eyes are open to the truth- Now to those who do not believe- pray for them.. for their eyes to be open in the same manner.. SPEAK TO THE MOUNTAIN..
If they won't hear.. wipe the dust off your feet brother.

P.S. Remember what the Andrew Womack said.. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAITH, THIS IS JESUS' FAITH. HE'S THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF YOUR FAITH.. keep allowing Him to perfect it.. and don't be persuaded by mens thoughts or religious views. He is the way the truth and life-- every other way is the WRONG WAY, THE LIE, and DEATH. Pray against backlash from the enemy.. I've been getting it lately as well because the enemy knows his time is short. Rev 12:12

God Bless you,

Restored

AMEN BROTHA!

 

[lil_christian]

I agree, but I believe we all have that gift, some just need to 'exercise' it. Know what I mean? o.o

Yeah, I know what you mean...I also believe that some people who do have the gift of healing either do not use it or do not know that they have it, if you know what I mean. But I do not exactly think that everyone is given the gift to heal. Just like not everyone has the gift of prophecy, or tongues, or anything else.

 

[Ugly]

OK, so assuming Pauls 'thorn in the flesh' wasn't sickness, as you yourself pointed out, it was still a 'messenger of satan'. And as you said in your first post, we as believers have power and authority over demons and to speak them. So, once again, why couldn't Paul speak to this demon, sickness, or not, its a demon? Why was Paul pleading to God to remove this demonic messenger, and why did God refuse? After all, all Paul had to do was speak to the demon to make it leave. Bottom line is, whatever demonic affliction Paul had, God allowed it. Paul asked three times to have it removed and God said no. God. Said. No. God allowed it to continue. How is that? Says it right there, black and white, New Testament, we know Paul had enough faith... so what was the problem? Oh yeah, God said no, you're keeping it.