John Hagee....

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hislastwalk

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So what are you're guys opinions on John Hagee?
For one, He preaches sin more than He preaches Jesus' finished works on the cross...
but what bothers me the most is he is pro-life, but yet pro-war...
 
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So what are you're guys opinions on John Hagee?
For one, He preaches sin more than He preaches Jesus' finished works on the cross...
but what bothers me the most is he is pro-life, but yet pro-war...
When we talk about other servants of God it is better to edify them and not to be critical of them. They are servants of God and belong to Him, for they were called by God and it is God's responsibility to deal with them when needed. When someone has been serving God for many years and has been put through trials and times of testing and they are bearing fruit, we should be thankful for them and how God is using them and let them continue in their call. We are nothing and have no business in criticizing those that have been called by grace and that includes your local pastor. Take a step back and think of the redemption that is in Christ and build them up in that redemption. Be humble and don't allow yourself to be puffed up as a novice less you fall into many snares.
 
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So what are you're guys opinions on John Hagee?
For one, He preaches sin more than He preaches Jesus' finished works on the cross...
but what bothers me the most is he is pro-life, but yet pro-war...
This is probably the wrong place to ask that question. Expect the fat jokes to start at any moment now. *lol*

I've watched Hagee's program on several of occasions and while I do not advocate war, I do tend to find myself agreeing with Him an various vital issues. However, Hagee does preach a pe-trib rapture which, in all honesty, is not found anywhere in scripture.

From my understanding Hagee holds to a hybrid of Baptist and Pentecostal beliefs, so - as a former Pentecostal - sometimes it's hard to identify where he's coming from seeing as I'm not Baptist at all. While I'm somewhat familiar with Baptist theology, so many divisions have popped up over the centuries it's sometimes hard to get a general idea of what they believe.
 
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I saw him speak a couple of times. I'm not great Hagee fan, but his soteriology was hardly works based.
 
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hislastwalk

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When we talk about other servants of God it is better to edify them and not to be critical of them. They are servants of God and belong to Him, for they were called by God and it is God's responsibility to deal with them when needed. When someone has been serving God for many years and has been put through trials and times of testing and they are bearing fruit, we should be thankful for them and how God is using them and let them continue in their call. We are nothing and have no business in criticizing those that have been called by grace and that includes your local pastor. Take a step back and think of the redemption that is in Christ and build them up in that redemption. Be humble and don't allow yourself to be puffed up as a novice less you fall into many snares.
If they're a false teacher then their not a servant of God.
We judge by the fruits.
 
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hislastwalk

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This is probably the wrong place to ask that question. Expect the fat jokes to start at any moment now. *lol*

I've watched Hagee's program on several of occasions and while I do not advocate war, I do tend to find myself agreeing with Him an various vital issues. However, Hagee does preach a pe-trib rapture which, in all honesty, is not found anywhere in scripture.

From my understanding Hagee holds to a hybrid of Baptist and Pentecostal beliefs, so - as a former Pentecostal - sometimes it's hard to identify where he's coming from seeing as I'm not Baptist at all. While I'm somewhat familiar with Baptist theology, so many divisions have popped up over the centuries it's sometimes hard to get a general idea of what they believe.
lol. I figured someone would mention a fat joke. I heard him preach against smoking before, and I was like "BUT YOU'RE FAT! I'M FAT!" lol. xD
 
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If they're a false teacher then their not a servant of God.
We judge by the fruits.
He has good fruit and it is from God, so be thankful and rejoice in it. His gospel message is very clear, it has conviction and people that hear it are turning to Christ for salvation by grace through faith and that is good news.
 
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This is probably the wrong place to ask that question. Expect the fat jokes to start at any moment now. *lol*

I've watched Hagee's program on several of occasions and while I do not advocate war, I do tend to find myself agreeing with Him an various vital issues. However, Hagee does preach a pe-trib rapture which, in all honesty, is not found anywhere in scripture.

From my understanding Hagee holds to a hybrid of Baptist and Pentecostal beliefs, so - as a former Pentecostal - sometimes it's hard to identify where he's coming from seeing as I'm not Baptist at all. While I'm somewhat familiar with Baptist theology, so many divisions have popped up over the centuries it's sometimes hard to get a general idea of what they believe.
Very well spoken Crossfire, very nice indeed.
 
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hislastwalk

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He has good fruit and it is from God, so be thankful and rejoice in it. His gospel message is very clear, it has conviction and people that hear it are turning to Christ for salvation by grace through faith and that is good news.
No.. I don't agree, but I don't see a point in arguing.
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hislastwalk

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I believe if the pastor doesn't preach the finished works of Christ, there is something up... /;
 
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The reason that we don't criticize those that God has called by grace is because our hearts are deceitful and wicked and our tongue will always say something foolish that we should have refrained from saying. There is such a thing as the sin of the tongue but some on this site never really consider that to be their problem and they go right on flapping with hasty words. The tongue just is so hard to tame because it's attached to the heart, that is why we need to hide the word in our heart so that we don't sin with our tongue.
 
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hislastwalk

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How does a believer know when they see the goodness of God and fruit from God that remains?
I don't see any fruit.

People getting saved aren't really a fruit..

Count the times He mentions sin, then count the times He mentions Christ's finished works.

You'll be shocked.
 

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Hagee has some decent things to say...

However, it is vital for a Christian to follow Paul's injunction in 1Thess 5v21, 'Test all things; hold fast what is good...' The done thing today (by Christians) is to simply sit back and not bother with what is preached/teached from the pulpit/tv with the thought...'this person is a pastor/teacher and so they must know what they are talking about.' So often when I have listened to these persons I have found that they can be far off the mark and sometimes even preaching down right lies...

We must test/prove preachers/teachers, especially as the last seven years of this age (of Grace) approaches, Matt 7v15-23, 24v11,24, 2Thess 2v1-12, 1Tim 4v1-5, 2Tim 3v1-9, Rev 13v11-18...

Yahweh Shalom
 
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Hagee has some decent things to say...

However, it is vital for a Christian to follow Paul's injunction in 1Thess 5v21, 'Test all things; hold fast what is good...' The done thing today (by Christians) is to simply sit back and not bother with what is preached/teached from the pulpit/tv with the thought...'this person is a pastor/teacher and so they must know what they are talking about.' So often when I have listened to these persons I have found that they can be far off the mark and sometimes even preaching down right lies...

We must test/prove preachers/teachers, especially as the last seven years of this age (of Grace) approaches, Matt 7v15-23, 24v11,24, 2Thess 2v1-12, 1Tim 4v1-5, 2Tim 3v1-9, Rev 13v11-18...

Yahweh Shalom
Yep, many pastors like to take a lie, and cover it with a bit of truth.
 
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I don't see any fruit.

People getting saved aren't really a fruit..

Count the times He mentions sin, then count the times He mentions Christ's finished works.

You'll be shocked.
I don't know if you ever noticed, but from the ESV atleast, there are 1198 mentions of the word "Sin". There are 534 mentions of the word "Christ".

If he preached the bible verse by verse, he'd say the word Sin a little more than twice as much as he would the word "Christ". I think also what Paul says about how the Law leads us to Christ, is largely ignored in the way you view sin.
 
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hislastwalk

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I don't know if you ever noticed, but from the ESV atleast, there are 1198 mentions of the word "Sin". There are 534 mentions of the word "Christ".

If he preached the bible verse by verse, he'd say the word Sin a little more than twice as much as he would the word "Christ". I think also what Paul says about how the Law leads us to Christ, is largely ignored in the way you view sin.
just because it says the word 'sin' doesn't mean he was preaching against. he could have been talking how Christ's finished work sets you free from sin. :)
 
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People getting saved aren't really a fruit..
Actually people getting saved should be one of top focal points (fruit) of any ministry. However, because there is so much compromise being preached today, the 'altar call' no longer possesses the spiritual relevance it was had thus I can understand where you are coming from. Most people never liked the altar call to begin with but then again those are usually the same people who who find comfort in being bound to sin and preach that conviction from the Holy Spirit for sins committed after salvation is nothing more than condemnation from the devil.
 
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just because it says the word 'sin' doesn't mean he was preaching against. he could have been talking how Christ's finished work sets you free from sin. :)
But that is the inherent flaw in your argument. Maybe I have heard two sermons completely out of context, but in both of them he focused on redemption.
 
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Actually people getting saved should be one of top focal points (fruit) of any ministry. However, because there is so much compromise being preached today, the 'altar call' no longer possesses the spiritual relevance it was had thus I can understand where you are coming from. Most people never liked the altar call to begin with but then again those are usually the same people who who find comfort in being bound to sin and preach that conviction from the Holy Spirit for sins committed after salvation is nothing more than condemnation from the devil.
I believe the only thing the Holy Spirit convicts NON believers of is unbelief..
I'm talking about non-believers btw :p