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If you would compare the language used in the Lost Book of Peter to the ones which are in the Bible, you will notice that the usage of language are from at least two different people.
Good Morning
The Lost Book of Peter is a translation more into our way of speaking in 2011. It was composed off an 1800’s translation into English of the “Recognitions” & “Homilies” which were difficult to read in the old English format.
It was written like Yoda speaks “hungry I am” instead of “I am hungry”. I would find myself constantly rereading because the language was almost backwards.
Reading the Clementine Recognitions, the 2 epistles of (Pope) Clement & The Revelation of Peter you can feel they all had the same writer. (whoever it was) I believe it was St Clement himself.
Have a Blessed Day
Good Morning
The Lost Book of Peter is a translation more into our way of speaking in 2011. It was composed off an 1800’s translation into English of the “Recognitions” & “Homilies” which were difficult to read in the old English format.
It was written like Yoda speaks “hungry I am” instead of “I am hungry”. I would find myself constantly rereading because the language was almost backwards.
Reading the Clementine Recognitions, the 2 epistles of (Pope) Clement & The Revelation of Peter you can feel they all had the same writer. (whoever it was) I believe it was St Clement himself.
Have a Blessed Day
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
So make no mistake, The Same ALL in Adam that die,........ is also the same ALL IN Christ. That shall be made Alive.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Alive = Quickened
dzo-op-oy-eh'-o
From the same as G2226 and G4160; to (re-) vitalize (literally or figuratively): - make alive, give life, quicken.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
So make no mistake, The Same ALL in Adam that die,........ is also the same ALL IN Christ. That shall be made Alive.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Alive = Quickened
dzo-op-oy-eh'-o
From the same as G2226 and G4160; to (re-) vitalize (literally or figuratively): - make alive, give life, quicken.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
B
I'm assuming you are promoting universal salvation. Anyone born into this world is in Adam, but not all are in Christ. If you are not in Christ you will not be made alive. You have to be born a second time for it to take effect....and that is by choice.
Born the first time = in Adam = Death
Born the second time = in Christ = Life
No second birth = in Hell = Death for eternity
Born the first time = in Adam = Death
Born the second time = in Christ = Life
No second birth = in Hell = Death for eternity
B
I'm still hung up on this part because it seems Paul is trying to say that because there was still death even though there was no law to transgress (which is sin) then that proves we sinned in Adam. But there had to of been law, and plus God destroyed the world with a flood.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
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I can accept this. But it does not say he had to either. Adam was created perfect. he did not have the things which caused his body to get old and die before sin. Sin is what brought on those things. On of the results of sin is physical death. He died (spiritually) immediatly. he would die (physically) many years later
E
What you see here is a major doctrinal reason for the law.
before the law God could not say you sinned, thus must suffer eternally. What law? You know how men are, they will use every excuse.
The law was given for one purpose and one purpose only. To prove to US we could not live up to Gods standard.
It goes with universal sin. Before the law. just the fact that men were "in adam" we all died as he did. But God could not condemn us for our own sin, because he told adam, You will not do this. he never told men, you will not do this or that.
The law helped us to understand that even apart from adam, we too are guilty, and have no excuse.
before the law God could not say you sinned, thus must suffer eternally. What law? You know how men are, they will use every excuse.
The law was given for one purpose and one purpose only. To prove to US we could not live up to Gods standard.
It goes with universal sin. Before the law. just the fact that men were "in adam" we all died as he did. But God could not condemn us for our own sin, because he told adam, You will not do this. he never told men, you will not do this or that.
The law helped us to understand that even apart from adam, we too are guilty, and have no excuse.
B
What if he would have decided not eat of the tree of life or the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? There were other trees to munch on.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Maybe being separated from the tree of life is what caused age and ultimately death.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Maybe being separated from the tree of life is what caused age and ultimately death.
E
I can't see that. Maybe symbolically as the tree represented God.
Sickness and disease came as a result of sin intering the world. It was not before.
God can not make anything that is not perfect. He did not make the world as it is today, Sin caused it. he did not make mankind to get sickly old and die, he made him perfect.
Yes, there was law before the time of Moses. Everything that God tells us to do is a law, if we break it it is sin and rebellion. So when God says in Genesis1:28,27
- “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
and in Genesis:2:16,17
- “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
He is giving commandments or LAWS. So laws were here before Moses.
You could even say that there were laws for creation before man.
Genesis 1:3 - Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Genesis 1:6 - Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
...etc,etc.
Luke 8:25 - He said to them, “Where is your faith?” And they were afraid, and they marveled, saying to one another, “Who then is this, that he commands even winds and water, and they obey him?”
Just because it was not written in stone doesn't change the fact that it was law.
- “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
and in Genesis:2:16,17
- “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
He is giving commandments or LAWS. So laws were here before Moses.
You could even say that there were laws for creation before man.
Genesis 1:3 - Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Genesis 1:6 - Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
...etc,etc.
Luke 8:25 - He said to them, “Where is your faith?” And they were afraid, and they marveled, saying to one another, “Who then is this, that he commands even winds and water, and they obey him?”
Just because it was not written in stone doesn't change the fact that it was law.
Bornfromabove,
i tell you the truth, we are born depraved (with a sinful nature): in other words, we lie because we are liars, not that we are liars because we lie. The reason? Adam is the devil, because he deceived Eve by telling her a perverted Commandment (the very one se regurgitated to the serpent (serpent=liar, not snake), who was Adam. How else could Eve say they could not touch the 'forbidden fruit' (she neglected to say it name also), when the LORD NEVER said this to Adam (Read Gen2:15-17, 3:1-3), and she is not the first liar (the devil is Jn8:44). Notice that when Jesus told the religious leaders that the devil was their father, he meant it literally!!
You see, the curse upon the serpent (Gen3) is the curse of sin we are all born under; but Jesus was exclused from this curse because Adam is not his father, GOD IS!!!!!!!
Thus sin is passed by the male, not the female, even though sin is still in all flesh.
This is why Mary had to be a virgin, so the male seed (the serpent's seed) could have not part in HIM. Get it?
Is it no small wonder the World needed a Savior, since it is a world full of devils?
Think not? Explain Eve's untruthfulness (don't touch) without her being label a liar, her ambiguity (she misreferenced the forbidden tree as being the only tree in the center of the Garden, but there are two; and she never said its name); why the LORD gave Adam and Eve a trial before condemning them, but not the serpent (is it just to condemn without a trial, especially without the required two witnesses needed to impose a death sentence (the LAW); or why Adam stood right beside Eve when she picked and ate the fruit, yet made no attempt to stop her (is this LOVE).
Want more? Need more?
i tell you the truth, we are born depraved (with a sinful nature): in other words, we lie because we are liars, not that we are liars because we lie. The reason? Adam is the devil, because he deceived Eve by telling her a perverted Commandment (the very one se regurgitated to the serpent (serpent=liar, not snake), who was Adam. How else could Eve say they could not touch the 'forbidden fruit' (she neglected to say it name also), when the LORD NEVER said this to Adam (Read Gen2:15-17, 3:1-3), and she is not the first liar (the devil is Jn8:44). Notice that when Jesus told the religious leaders that the devil was their father, he meant it literally!!
You see, the curse upon the serpent (Gen3) is the curse of sin we are all born under; but Jesus was exclused from this curse because Adam is not his father, GOD IS!!!!!!!
Thus sin is passed by the male, not the female, even though sin is still in all flesh.
This is why Mary had to be a virgin, so the male seed (the serpent's seed) could have not part in HIM. Get it?
Is it no small wonder the World needed a Savior, since it is a world full of devils?
Think not? Explain Eve's untruthfulness (don't touch) without her being label a liar, her ambiguity (she misreferenced the forbidden tree as being the only tree in the center of the Garden, but there are two; and she never said its name); why the LORD gave Adam and Eve a trial before condemning them, but not the serpent (is it just to condemn without a trial, especially without the required two witnesses needed to impose a death sentence (the LAW); or why Adam stood right beside Eve when she picked and ate the fruit, yet made no attempt to stop her (is this LOVE).
Want more? Need more?
B
First of all...God may have expounded on his commandments to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil after he created Eve...the bible doesn't say.
Second of all...Eve may have simply been mistaken and added that commandment by herself, it doesn't mean Adam necessarily told her that.
Third of all...The serpent was the devil and had already "fallen" before Adam and Eve's fall. So God knew all about him and just cut to the chase with him. That is why there was no "trial".
Why did God ask Adam "who told thee that thou wast naked?" ....that strongly implies a third party being present.
If Adam was the serpent why was Adam punished twice? Why did God call him the serpent during the first punishment and then Adam during the second punishment? And notice Eve was squeezed into the middle of the punishments handed out...once again strongly implying a third party being present.
Notice God said to Adam "because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of his wife"...it doesnt say Eve hearkened unto the voice of her husband, because it was the serpent she listened too, not Adam.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Second of all...Eve may have simply been mistaken and added that commandment by herself, it doesn't mean Adam necessarily told her that.
Third of all...The serpent was the devil and had already "fallen" before Adam and Eve's fall. So God knew all about him and just cut to the chase with him. That is why there was no "trial".
Why did God ask Adam "who told thee that thou wast naked?" ....that strongly implies a third party being present.
If Adam was the serpent why was Adam punished twice? Why did God call him the serpent during the first punishment and then Adam during the second punishment? And notice Eve was squeezed into the middle of the punishments handed out...once again strongly implying a third party being present.
Notice God said to Adam "because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of his wife"...it doesnt say Eve hearkened unto the voice of her husband, because it was the serpent she listened too, not Adam.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
B
So if there were commandments/laws before Moses then why does Paul seem to imply that there wasn't?
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Paul says "Nevertheless" as in despite the fact there was no law death still reigned or at least that's how I interpret it.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Paul says "Nevertheless" as in despite the fact there was no law death still reigned or at least that's how I interpret it.