MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK... PT 1

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Writing in green is me. writing in black is historical data. writing in red is scripture verses.


There are a few people on here who believe that catholicism is the true holy church of God. So I decided to go and get as much information as possible to bring the darkness into light.
This is for the sole purpose to share to my brothers and sisters the real truth of catholicism, not to attack anyone on here, but to show them and others how the devil has come as an angel of light, and has deceived many.
This is a plea to those caught up in this evil religion, GET OUT OF HER!
I have so much evidence to put on here, that I will probably have to do 2 or 3 threads for this.
I believe the best way to prove something out, is by that things own words. So I will use catholicism's own claims to their judgement.
I encourage anyone to research and verify anything I have on here, it is easily found on the internet and books in the library.

When a Pope is crowned, he is crowned as Vicar of Christ and has the "Acceptance, proclamation, and Coronation of the new Pontiff.
The secretary of the conclave ask the new pope, "Do you accept your cononical election as supreme Pontiff?"
And immediately after declaration of consent he is asked, "By which name do you wish to be called?"
They then give up their natural born given name & picks a papal name.
Every pope is therefore w/ their new papal name, is called the
VICARIUS FILII DEI-which is Vicar of Christ-which translates as
Vicar of Christ (from Latin Vicarius Christi; Vicar of God is used as an equivalent title)[1] is a term used in different ways, with different theological connotations throughout history. As the original notion a vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ" but also used in sense of "person acting as parish priest in place of a real parson"[2] The title is now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops[3] and more specifically to the Bishop of Rome (the pope).[1]

In the darkened confessional, the priest raises his hands to make the sign of the cross over the penitent, thereby absolving him/her of his/her sins. Only the catholic church takes such daring acts over the souls of man kind.

Michael Francis Pennock, Catholic Catechism for Adults, 'This is Our Faith' pg. 92 stated,
"A (catholic) priest is one who is a mediator between God and the people."

This is contrary to Scripture; 1 Timothy 2:5 "There is ONE GOD & ONE mediator between God & men, the Man, Jesus Christ."

Catholic National July, 1985
"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ but he is Jesus Christ himself, hideden under the veil of flesh."
This is a blatant, bold, and blashemous, evil and arrogant claim by the papacy.

The Eucharist- A round circle wafer with the symbol of the sun dial on it, used for communion.
The RCC declares that the Eucharist is the actual & physical body & blood of Messiah, & is their sole authority for the forgiveness of sin.
And that during Mass, that the RCC has the power to crucify Christ again & again.

Rev. John A. O'Brien in the book 'The Faith of Millions' pg 254
"When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne & places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarches & Emperors... the priest brings Christ down from heaven and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man-not once bu a thousand times! The priest speaks & lo! Christ, the eternal & omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command."

But God's word says different;
Hebrews 10:10-12,14 "We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE for all. And every priest stands daily ministering & offering often the same sacrifices, which NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS. But Jesus once He had offered ONE sacrifice of sins FOREVER, sat down @ the right hand of God...for by ONE offering He has perfected forever them that are sanctified."

WOW, that's quite different from what catholicism claims.

Therefore the Eucharist embodied as the RCC as to be the only ones of the church who can give forgiveness of sin of the people.

"For every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff." (Catholic Encyclopedia vol. xv pg. 126)

Once again the words of God say different;


Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved."
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I am the LORD and beside Me there is no Savior."

Written in the : Decree of the Council of Trent The Most Holy Councils, Vol. 13 Col. 1167-states;
"We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff holds primacy over the whole world."

Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894 wrote; "We hold, upon this earth, the place of GOD Almighty."
WOW, are you serious? THIS IS ONE OF THEIR OWN POPES SAYING THIS, AND WASN'T THE LAST TO CLAIM IT.

"The Pope is of so great dignity & so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God & the Vicar of God"
"Hence, the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven, & of earth & of the lower regions."
"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged & excommunicated by the Pope"
"The Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign... not only of the earthly but also of the heavenly kingdom."
Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, The Roman Catholic Ecclesiastical Dictionary, Vol. VI pg. 438-442

"The Pope has power to change times, abrogate laws & to dispense with all things, even the PRECEPTS OF CHRIST." Decretal de Translat Episcop. Cap

John 14:6 " I am the Way, the Truth, & the Life; NO MAN comes to the Father but by ME."

This is the end of part 1.
How evil is this?
 
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You will not be able to reveal anything new concerning the origin of the Roman Catholic church and all of its hierarchy, sacraments and liturgy that has been going on since the beginnings of humanism and has culminated as the largest and wealthiest body of religion in the world as we know it. With that said I am trying to keep you from wasting your time to promote what you believe to be important in the scope of God's eternal reality concerning the church and what it has to offer mankind through redemption.

More material has been published on this subject then any other subject out there and has profited very little. What many of us have failed to discern and acknowledge is the plan of God that has been executed to reach those in the RCC with the saving gospel of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the anointed Messiah who shed His blood as the Lamb of God. Many Catholics within the church, who been faithful and diligent to its teaching have come under conviction by the Holy Spirit for their need of a personal Saviour to cleanse them of their sins once and for all. This has gone against much of the doctrine they have been taught by the RCC.

Much of this conviction came through the Charismatic Movement in the late 1960's and has progressed even to this day in many circles including home studies that have become thriving local churches that preach the word and doctrine and others that have leaned toward the gifts and manifestations of the Spirit. In both camps the Lord Jesus Christ is taught and magnified as the Lord and Saviour. The foundation of Christ has been laid in much of this movement because of the compassion and mercy of our Lord and teachers have been raised up to carry on this work. This should be our focus when it comes to those that believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His shed blood.

It takes time for us to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and it is no different for them who have been called unto salvation in the RCC. I have seen this firsthand and I am so thankful to God for what He has done despite all that has been written against and criticism of this church. I have read and studied about Babylon the Great and the origins of humanism and how it infiltrated and brought about the beginnings and establishment of the RCC. Some of the doctrine that they adhere to is absolutely not from God in any way, shape or form and should not be a part of the body of Christ in any local expression. BUT, God has found a way to get beyond that and into the heart of the people.

One of the biggest obstacles and hurdles for those Catholics who have been converted was to get by the good works as a basis for a merited salvation. To get them over it, you have to lay your life down through the love of God, be patient and keep preaching Christ and Him crucified and give them lots of grace to get them out of their mode of penitence. Then you have to teach them sound doctrine concerning the finished work of Christ, the substitutionary and expiatory sacrifice of the cross. This will bring them to the knowledge of Christ in their experience that all their sins have been put away forever the moment they believed and were cleansed by the blood of Christ, as a once and for all sacrifice.

The more they hunger after the word the more you feed them. You have to start with lots of milk and then little by little give them some meat so that they can live and experience the living God for themselves in their vertical relationship with Him. They may continue in the sacrament for awhile but God will be faithful in His personal conviction through love and grace to bring them out of that when they taste firsthand the living God.
 
May 18, 2011
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I was also going to put this as you have, but I left it out do to all the other stuff. Nice job.
 

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Ellen = L+L=100,
Gould=U+L+D=555,
White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11.
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 555 + 11 = 666.


BTW, "Vicarius Filii Dei" isn't an official title of the Pope. Never was.
 
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Ellen = L+L=100,
Gould=U+L+D=555,
White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11.
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 555 + 11 = 666.


BTW, "Vicarius Filii Dei" isn't an official title of the Pope. Never was.
The Bible says 666 is the number of a man not a woman.
 

dscherck

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The Bible says 666 is the number of a man not a woman.
Still doesn't change the fact that "Vicarius Filii Dei" is not one of the Pope's official titles.
 
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Still doesn't change the fact that "Vicarius Filii Dei" is not one of the Pope's official titles.
What about all the solid facts Avinu put?
 

dscherck

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What about all the solid facts Avinu put?
What solid facts? The accusations he made are akin to going up to a devout Jew and saying, "Hey! I know all about you Jews! I read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion! So I'm an expert!"
 
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Michael Francis Pennock, Catholic Catechism for Adults, 'This is Our Faith' pg. 92 stated,
"A (catholic) priest is one who is a mediator between God and the people."


This is contrary to Scripture; 1 Timothy 2:5 "There is ONE GOD & ONE mediator between God & men, the Man, Jesus Christ."

Straight forward blasphemy, is it not?
 
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Perhaps it is a coincidence or perhaps not, but the Greek word tradition has a numerical value of 666. Thus, the beast whose number is 666 (Revelation 13:8) bases its whole system of error on tradition whose numerical value is 666. The Greek word for tradition is paradosis. and the number value of each letter is as follows:

P=80; A=1; R=100; A=1; D=4; O=70; S=200; I=10; S=200 = 666

Certainly the Roman Catholic Papacy has the :"eyes of man" in the sense that it supplants the Word of God and in its place substitutes human wisdom!
 

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Perhaps it is a coincidence or perhaps not, but the Greek word tradition has a numerical value of 666. Thus, the beast whose number is 666 (Revelation 13:8) bases its whole system of error on tradition whose numerical value is 666. The Greek word for tradition is paradosis. and the number value of each letter is as follows:

P=80; A=1; R=100; A=1; D=4; O=70; S=200; I=10; S=200 = 666

Certainly the Roman Catholic Papacy has the :"eyes of man" in the sense that it supplants the Word of God and in its place substitutes human wisdom!

What if each six is meant to represent a v?
 

loveme1

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17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

You have to consider this by finding out how the Hebrew numerals work.

Do not over think this one, if you try and add letters to equate the value of 666 you missed what it is telling you.

the number of his name...............
 
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The Bible says 666 is the number of a man not a woman.
It also says no one may eat or drink (purchase goods) unless they have this number. It is a number like a credit card which has the mark of the beast on it. Unless you have it, you can't buy or sell anything.

It is not the pope.


Look at the bar code on all items you purchase. There are three hidden numbers. they are 666. I am not saying this is the number of the beast. Just saying this is more believable than the pope, because it has a financial value. which this number will have.
 
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What solid facts? The accusations he made are akin to going up to a devout Jew and saying, "Hey! I know all about you Jews! I read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion! So I'm an expert!"
I don't know. neither Jesus nor his disciples were ever a pharisee, yet they had a pretty good understanding of what they were. Scripture pointed it out their heresies and false beliefs. Of all of them, only paul had personal experience.

Same goes with the gnostic. None of them were a part of this movement, but they knew them well. Scripture again pointed out there heresies and false beliefs.

That is why we should do as the early church did, and use their example. Use scripture to prove which church or belief system came from god and which did not. Something the roman church is afraid of.
 
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Catholic Church, nice little business, if you are into fleshly benefits and a Sodom of a good pension.

I feel so sad for them that that are caught up in it, and that can’t separate God and big business
 

dscherck

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I don't know. neither Jesus nor his disciples were ever a pharisee, yet they had a pretty good understanding of what they were. Scripture pointed it out their heresies and false beliefs. Of all of them, only paul had personal experience.

Same goes with the gnostic. None of them were a part of this movement, but they knew them well. Scripture again pointed out there heresies and false beliefs.

That is why we should do as the early church did, and use their example. Use scripture to prove which church or belief system came from god and which did not. Something the roman church is afraid of.
We're not afraid of Scripture, nor of the early Church. If you honestly look to Scripture and the early Church you will find that they are very Catholic. Each year millions of people come home to the Catholic Church because they find the Truth in the Scriptures.
The other apostles may not have been Pharisees, but they were certainly well aware of the Law and followed it. They weren't opposed to the Laws of the Pharisees, but rather to the hypocrisy practiced by them.
 
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We're not afraid of Scripture, nor of the early Church.
Your not? Then why do you deny Scripture alone? Why do you tell us we must also look at things which are not scripture? Why, wehn we do what Christ and the apostles did, and use scripture to prove our beliefs, and reject writtings of men, do you say we are wrong, and we must do what they told us not to do?



If you honestly look to Scripture and the early Church you will find that they are very Catholic.
When I honestly look at scripture. which shows us the early church, I find no catholic similarities at all. quite the opposite.

Each year millions of people come home to the Catholic Church because they find the Truth in the Scriptures.
Each year, millions came to the faith of the jews, because they too thought they had Gods truth.


The other apostles may not have been Pharisees, but they were certainly well aware of the Law and followed it. They weren't opposed to the Laws of the Pharisees, but rather to the hypocrisy practiced by them.

Oh they were apposed to it alright. The pharisees added their laws and works to grace, they fought it throughout the NT churches. Should we listen to another church who tries to add laws to grace? and follow them, and reject the words of the apostles?

As I have said before. if I thought my works and good deeds could save me, I would be catholic, they have the most amount of rules and regulations which could save me, I would shun these churches which have just a few laws. because what if I did not do enough.
 
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Catholic National July, 1985
Except for this one quote, which is all over the net, I haven't found anything by the Catholic National. Did this paper(?) exist? Do we have access to more of its issues?