Sabbath made for Man

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pickles

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I agree that this sheds some light into its true meaning, but this does not answer the question. It's funny though how this is "spiritualized" by you and yet still you hold firm to a literal sabbath when BOTH are of days!

How are we circumcised?[/quote

The flesh, world is removed from us in Jesus.
When one is circ. in the heart, the flesh is cut away, and Jesus now lives , is the life within.

God bless
pickles
 
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Laodicea

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The Seventh Day Video Series
What is the Sabbath? Host Hal Holbrook takes you on an eye-opening journey through history to explore the seventh-day Sabbath. Discover how Sunday observance eventually trumped Saturday Sabbath-keeping in the early church, why this controversy is barely known, and the amazing unknown history behind this divine day!

About the Sabbath | Why Go To Church | Which Day Is the Sabbath
 
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Laodicea

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Revelation 4:11
(11) Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Revelation 5:9
(9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

God is worshiped because He is both creator and redeemer. The Sabbath points to God as both redeemer and creator.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Deuteronomy 5:15
(15) And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

God is calling us to worship Him on the Sabbath
Revelation 14:7
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This comes from the sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:11


 
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Laodicea

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To worship God on the sabbath is to worship God as creator and redeemer. To worship God on the 1st day instead of the sabbath of the Lord is to worship God on a common day not a holy day.
 
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AnandaHya

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you should worship God every day.
 
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Laodicea

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you should worship God every day.
That is true but is does not change the sabbath. To keep the 1st day as the sabbath instead of the 7th day is to have a common day as a holy day and a holy day as common.
 
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AnandaHya

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if you keep every day holy then what is the issue? and keep from defiling it and yourself

wouldn't that be better then just worship God only one day a week and live the other six however you want?

What would you do differently on the Sabbath that you would not normally do on any other day of the week?

Meet with fellow believers? shouldn't you do that every day?

Read God's Word? again isn't that a daily thing?

Not work for material Gain but do the will of God? shouldn't all your life and actions be dedicated to God so that His glory may shine through in your life?

Shouldn't you do your work before God unto God and not before men? Shouldn't you do that every day?

What does the Sabbath truly mean to you Lao?

what makes it different from any other day you should be living in the Spirit and for the Lord?
 
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funny that the only commandment that the Father says, remember, people try and forget.
 
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dbj72

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if you keep every day holy then what is the issue? and keep from defiling it and yourself

wouldn't that be better then just worship God only one day a week and live the other six however you want?

What would you do differently on the Sabbath that you would not normally do on any other day of the week?

Meet with fellow believers? shouldn't you do that every day?

Read God's Word? again isn't that a daily thing?

Not work for material Gain but do the will of God? shouldn't all your life and actions be dedicated to God so that His glory may shine through in your life?

Shouldn't you do your work before God unto God and not before men? Shouldn't you do that every day?

What does the Sabbath truly mean to you Lao?

what makes it different from any other day you should be living in the Spirit and for the Lord?
Yahweh created it and told us what to do on it.
 
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AnandaHya

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Yahweh created it and told us what to do on it.
yes because this is still done every Sabbath, that really answers my questions....

Numbers 28

9 ‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— 10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.
 
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Laodicea

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if you keep every day holy then what is the issue? and keep from defiling it and yourself

wouldn't that be better then just worship God only one day a week and live the other six however you want?

What would you do differently on the Sabbath that you would not normally do on any other day of the week?

Meet with fellow believers? shouldn't you do that every day?

Read God's Word? again isn't that a daily thing?

Not work for material Gain but do the will of God? shouldn't all your life and actions be dedicated to God so that His glory may shine through in your life?

Shouldn't you do your work before God unto God and not before men? Shouldn't you do that every day?

What does the Sabbath truly mean to you Lao?

what makes it different from any other day you should be living in the Spirit and for the Lord?
Adam & Eve were created on the 6th day and kept the sabbath the next. How do you think they would have kept the sabbath? they were not tired.
 
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AnandaHya

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Adam & Eve were created on the 6th day and kept the sabbath the next. How do you think they would have kept the sabbath? they were not tired.
how do you know they were not tired?

Seth sacrificed the firstfruit of his flock and God clothed Adam and Eve in the skins of animals.

stop side stepping the questions and pretending that its obvious when you are applying two different principles to the same type of scriptures.

Genesis 3
16 To the woman He said:

“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;

Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.

18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”


The Sabbath was established as a break from the toil and the sorrow and the pain of the curse of sin through God's grace and mercy. yet too many people want to pervert it into legal chains and hardship and rules that have nothing to do with God's will but theirs over others.

why Lao do we not sacrifice animals as commanded in the OT on the Sabbath anymore?

again I ask:

What would you do differently on the Sabbath that you would not normally do on any other day of the week?
 
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(Quote Anandahya)
Seth sacrificed the firstfruit of his flock and God clothed Adam and Eve in the skins of animals.


Why do we assume that they were skins of animals?

It doesn't say that.
 
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I want to add my 2 cents then run away from this thread that I feel is filled with people that are hard headed. They even have come up with a "New Bible" that retranslates the Bible according to their doctrine, so anytime you question them, they can quote a mistranslation that represents Christians as being evil from the time of Christ, and the Jews being the chosen ones still who have been persecuted by the Christians. Christianity=evil to them,; Jews=God chosen. That is all they see.

I think the same people that are legalistic over the Sabbath were the ones legalistic about circumcision in Acts. How is the command of God to circumcise any different than the command of God to observe the seventh day?

I think in Hebrews it says clearly what the Sabbath is for "those who have ears and can hear."

You cannot argue with these people; they want to reduce the world to slavery all over again, forgeting the Christ who saved them. They have their eyes/souls focused on the law and not on the Leader and Savior of their souls.

God bless
tony
 
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why Lao do we not sacrifice animals as commanded in the OT on the Sabbath anymore?
Please show ONE verse in the OT that says to sacrifice on Sabbath.
 
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I want to add my 2 cents then run away from this thread that I feel is filled with people that are hard headed. They even have come up with a "New Bible" that retranslates the Bible according to their doctrine, so anytime you question them, they can quote a mistranslation that represents Christians as being evil from the time of Christ, and the Jews being the chosen ones still who have been persecuted by the Christians. Christianity=evil to them,; Jews=God chosen. That is all they see.

I think the same people that are legalistic over the Sabbath were the ones legalistic about circumcision in Acts. How is the command of God to circumcise any different than the command of God to observe the seventh day?

I think in Hebrews it says clearly what the Sabbath is for "those who have ears and can hear."

You cannot argue with these people; they want to reduce the world to slavery all over again, forgeting the Christ who saved them. They have their eyes/souls focused on the law and not on the Leader and Savior of their souls.

OH, so you must be one of those people who want all the wonderful free gifts that came from the bloody, horrific, violent sacrifice of Yeshua, but none of the responsibility that goes with it. Thank you for clarifying that. What was I thinking?
Why would I want to obey YHVH's commandments, silly me. When I can be a free loader on His blood that He shed on the cross for my sins.
After all, I am saved by grace through faith. Why would I give anything back to Him, when I can take, take, take.

Oh yes, that is my goal, to enslave people with the Commandments of YHVH. Wow, what arrogance, to accuse YHVH of enslaving people with His commandments. You have much to repent of and humble yourself in.

Shalom
 
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thefightinglamb

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If you actually look in the book of Acts and even in your misinterprited version of the Bible, you should see what was being asked at the concil at Jerusalem.

Acts 15:5
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?

Acts 15:19-20
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood.

If you read the whole chapter, even if it tries to misinterprit the scripture, you should get the jest of what it is trying to say.

Those who do not trust the Holy Spirit, continually try to force people to try to look outside of God for a "law" that creates righteousness, instead of trusting the Lord who saves them. People who have the Spirit are holy by virtue of following the Spirit and not the law.

God bless
tony
 
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If you actually look in the book of Acts and even in your misinterprited version of the Bible, you should see what was being asked at the concil at Jerusalem. So now you know what version of scripture I read? See, you're stuck on one chapter, I actually read ALL of YHVH's word, something I recommend you do as well.

Acts 15:5
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.Here your lack of knowledge shows, for if you understood who the pharisees were and are today, then you would know that what they declared to be the law of Moses was actually their added book of talmud/mishna, do you know what talmud is?

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?Yet again, more lack of wisdom and knowledge. I have to ask, do you actually read scripture?
Once again the yoke that was being placed on them were man made commandments, Yeshua said in
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Hmmm, that says different than what you're claiming.

Acts 15:19-20
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood.
No arguement their, but neither does it say the rest of YHVH's commandments are obsolete.

If you read the whole chapter, even if it tries to misinterprit the scripture, you should get the jest of what it is trying to say.
If you read the WHOLE Bible, then you'll get ALL the picture. You stick to the last 1/3 of the book, no one ever starts reading a book 2/3 of the way through, for then you can't understand everything because you missed the whole foundation of the book.

Those who do not trust the Holy Spirit, continually try to force people to try to look outside of God for a "law" that creates righteousness, instead of trusting the Lord who saves them. People who have the Spirit are holy by virtue of following the Spirit and not the law.
Walking in obedience to the Father does not make anyone righteous, it makes us His obedient children.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Yeshua saves us, walking in obedience to YHVH is showing Him we love Him.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Just what do you think following the Spirit consists of? Do you think that the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit) leads us contrary in any way to YHVH's word?

Shalom
 
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Don't you think in verse 15: 19-20, they could have easily added "the Sabbath" or the "law of Moses" as well. It is not that long of a concept that the writer could have added those words very straightforwardly and easily. But instead it mentions other things that would be of less consquence had gentiles needed to obey the Sabbath.

God Bless
tony

ps. I read the Old Testament as well. Right now, I am in Numbers...but I do find that most people that focus on the Jewish Law, disregard/neglect what the New Testament actually says.
 
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Don't you think in verse 15: 19-20, they could have easily added "the Sabbath" or the "law of Moses" as well. It is not that long of a concept that the writer could have added those words very straightforwardly and easily. But instead it mentions other things that would be of less consquence had gentiles needed to obey the Sabbath.Since biblically it's a no brainer that none of the commandments of YHVH are done away with, the writer didn't need to say all the rest.
Malachi 3:6 "I am YHVH your Elohim(the LORD your God) I DO NOT CHANGE." So are you saying YHVH changed?
Hebrews 13:8 Yeshua is the same yesterday, today and forever." These verses don't fit your doctrine.


God Bless
tony

ps. I read the Old Testament as well. Right now, I am in Numbers...but I do find that most people that focus on the Jewish Law, disregard/neglect what the New Testament actually says.
That's great, but reading the OT and understanding it is two different things. For one, it has never been the 'jewish law' it is YHVH's Torah/law. Everything in the Brit Hadeshah (NT) is from Torah, Yeshua quotes Torah and Tanak (OT) over and over. And no part of the Torah disregards/neglects the NT.

You still haven't answered ANY of my questions to you on my last post. I'm waiting.

Yah bless.