The Catholic church is not christian

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frankleespeaking

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Actually, the voice of Jesus is calling you to come into the Catholic Church. It's an echo of His words in Matthew 23:37. You will find that in the Catholic Church, your relationship with Jesus will become even closer! You will experience a closeness to the Scriptures and Christ that you never even realized was possible. And the joy you will find in the Catholic Church is beyond compare. It is the pearl of great price and it is worth giving up everything you own to become a part of it.

what part of following Christ did the Catholic church follow in murdering people of other faiths, whether they were the heritic reformers or the Islamic nations, NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE ARE WE TO KILL ANYONE, this is the fruit that Catholicism has bore, along with the ever increasing child molestations by trusted clergy and covered up from top to bottom.

being close to Christ means being obedient to His law, the second most important law was to love your neighbor as yourself, Killing your neighbors is an abomination of the law of love, no matter how you spin it
 
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Magwawali

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FACT: Had Jesus died and been raised from the dead (ending the OT Law) and Starting the NT Covenant (Contract) when he and the thief was hanging on the cross?

FACT: NO! HE HAD NOT....The thief was still under the OT Law....NOT THE NEW TESTAMENT...

How could anyone be baptized INTO THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST when Christ was still alive?
 
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jimmydiggs

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Roman Catholicism = Apostate.
 
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Magwawali

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Not sure why my last comment would wind up on a different comment but it did...So I will try it again...

FACT: Jesus had not died nor had he been resurrected when he and the thief was on the cross, so the OT Laws was still in effect...

FACT: The New Testament Contract started AFTER Christ died and was resurrected...since Baptism is to Join in his death and resurrection then the thief nor any one else could have been baptized into HIS Name Before that happened....
 
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frankleespeaking

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FACT: Had Jesus died and been raised from the dead (ending the OT Law) and Starting the NT Covenant (Contract) when he and the thief was hanging on the cross?

FACT: NO! HE HAD NOT....The thief was still under the OT Law....NOT THE NEW TESTAMENT...

How could anyone be baptized INTO THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST when Christ was still alive?

so the thief was under old testiment law and when do you perceive he made a sacrifice for his sins with the blood of goats or lambs that he could enter paridise with Jesus?

baptism is what is symbolically done for what has already happened in the spirit, we see people being filled with the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:47 before they're even baptised, so your assumption that being filled with the Holy Spirit happens in the act of baptism is biblically flawed. certainly it can also happen during or even after.
 
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Magwawali

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Ok, I see what happened, we are on page 2 here...SORRY...new here still getting the hang of things...ANYWAY.

I will not argue, I do not debate, I teach...would be glad to give lessons to anyone interested....over 30 years in the Ministry and I have learned to do it in an orderly manner.
 
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frankleespeaking

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Ok, I see what happened, we are on page 2 here...SORRY...new here still getting the hang of things...ANYWAY.

I will not argue, I do not debate, I teach...would be glad to give lessons to anyone interested....over 30 years in the Ministry and I have learned to do it in an orderly manner.

please teach me how the thief entered paridise without making a sacrifice for his sins, considering you believe he entered paridise under the old covenant
 
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Magwawali

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I would be glad to if you would like to sign up for my free Bible studies and be willing to study point A to point Z in an orderly manner...without wanting to skip around....There is a purpose in orderly study...there is so much hogwash that has been taught over the years that the study must be done step by step to see the difference and how it all comes together....

But I will leave you with this verse and it is BIBLICAL (Not me) you stated that my fact about WHEN we are sealed with the Holy Spirit was wrong....So I will leave this Scripture for you to think about.....


Acts 2:38 (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost


Not my Words but Peter...
 
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Magwawali

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Ok, well Good Night....It is 1:45AM here in the Philippines and I am tired.........God Bless....
 
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Christianity has 3 denominations; Catholicism, Protestantism and East Orthodox. Each denomination is Bible believing, it's just that their beliefs are slightly different. I'm a Protestant, but I know people who are Catholic and a Protestant who grew up in a Catholic household. I don't agree that Catholicism is straight from hell. Yeah, they believe stuff that Protestants and East Orthodox don't believe. But still, they are Christians, your brothers and sisters in Christ. The way you are talking is not very Christian-like.
 
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Dude653

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Not tryin to be a jerk or nothin...but although i disagree with catholic doctrine...we already have 155 billion threads on this topic:rolleyes:
 
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frankleespeaking

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I would be glad to if you would like to sign up for my free Bible studies and be willing to study point A to point Z in an orderly manner...without wanting to skip around....There is a purpose in orderly study...there is so much hogwash that has been taught over the years that the study must be done step by step to see the difference and how it all comes together....

But I will leave you with this verse and it is BIBLICAL (Not me) you stated that my fact about WHEN we are sealed with the Holy Spirit was wrong....So I will leave this Scripture for you to think about.....


Acts 2:38 (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost


Not my Words but Peter...

thank you! but I was always taught that things in chapters 10:47 happened after things in chapter 2:38.........certainly we agree the gospel is repent and be baptised for the remission of sins, but just a few chapters later we see people receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE they're baptised, so whether you agree or disagree, I'm not debating you on the issue, I'm simply saying the bible teaches people can possibly received the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE baptism, and it is not always received in baptism although it can be
 
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Magwawali

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Ok, I admit, I just had to come back and check one more time before bed time.....any you are right ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE...but let me ask you this honestly as a fellow Christian...

If the Bible says do something "but we know anything is possible" do we choose NOT to do it because "Anything is Possible"? OR

Do we do "WHAT WE CAN" and let God worry about the rest?

I have been asked before, "Well, what if the person is somewhere, where there is not much water"?

So do we trust in God that he will make sure we have enough water if we go through with the baptism, or do we say "Oh, well we better forget about baptism cause we might not have enough water to wash our clothes, or take a bath or water the animals"...

Do we DO what we can do and let God worry about the rest? or do we sit back and decide NOT to do something the Bible tells us TO DO because we are worried?

What about communion....if a country is poor and cannot have bread and wine, do they forget about the communion? or do the DO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS and use what the have, like a pinch of rice and a little water (like many churches here in the Philippines) or do they forget about communion?

So you see I agree ANYTHING is possible....IF IT IS DONE IN THE NAME OF JESUS.....(With Faith)

Sorry I know I said I don't argue or debate but I just had to share that...(forgive me for going back on my word) but I really am trying to answer your question......
 
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frankleespeaking

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Ok, I admit, I just had to come back and check one more time before bed time.....any you are right ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE...but let me ask you this honestly as a fellow Christian...

If the Bible says do something "but we know anything is possible" do we choose NOT to do it because "Anything is Possible"? OR

Do we do "WHAT WE CAN" and let God worry about the rest?

I have been asked before, "Well, what if the person is somewhere, where there is not much water"?

So do we trust in God that he will make sure we have enough water if we go through with the baptism, or do we say "Oh, well we better forget about baptism cause we might not have enough water to wash our clothes, or take a bath or water the animals"...

Do we DO what we can do and let God worry about the rest? or do we sit back and decide NOT to do something the Bible tells us TO DO because we are worried?

What about communion....if a country is poor and cannot have bread and wine, do they forget about the communion? or do the DO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS and use what the have, like a pinch of rice and a little water (like many churches here in the Philippines) or do they forget about communion?

So you see I agree ANYTHING is possible....IF IT IS DONE IN THE NAME OF JESUS.....(With Faith)

Sorry I know I said I don't argue or debate but I just had to share that...(forgive me for going back on my word) but I really am trying to answer your question......

thats all I wanted was an answer, thankyou for your honesty, Jesus said to a woman in Luke 7:48 "Your sins are forgiven." and in verse 50 "your faith has saved you go in peace."

obviously Christ had not died yet, so other than the old testiment sacrifice how was Jesus able to forgive sins before his own sacrifice. you made mention the thief on the cross was under old covenant, here again we see another person not only being forgiven they're sins but also being promised salvation as Jesus speaks in the past tense "your faith has save you" go in peace"

just out of curiousity what branch of Christianity have you been ordained to teach in?
 
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OFM

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catholics are bible believing christians
 
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OFM

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i agree with the catholic church teachings
 
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OFM

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i agree with you very much alot thanx 4 sharing this bee blessed allways amen.
 
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OFM

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i am interested in bible teachings b blessed allways amen
 

dscherck

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what part of following Christ did the Catholic church follow in murdering people of other faiths, whether they were the heritic reformers or the Islamic nations, NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE ARE WE TO KILL ANYONE, this is the fruit that Catholicism has bore, along with the ever increasing child molestations by trusted clergy and covered up from top to bottom.

being close to Christ means being obedient to His law, the second most important law was to love your neighbor as yourself, Killing your neighbors is an abomination of the law of love, no matter how you spin it
Actually, you'll note that there is Scriptural support for defending one's nation from attack. And in regards to "heritic reformers" as it was pointed out in another thread, people who were executed for being heretics were usually condemned by the secular authorities. In a time when one's religion was a MAJOR part of keeping the people unified under a single ruler, heresy was considered treason against the state.

Does that make the execution of heretics by the state right? Nope, but one should understand the situation a bit more than "Those Catholics put people to death!" Nor can we ignore the fact that many Catholics were martyred by Protestants during those times as well.

And while it's always a tragedy when children are abused, the reported incidents of abuse are going down. There are many tragic cases dating back to the 70s, but the Catholic Church has taken many many steps to address this tragic situation and is now a worldwide leader in developing programs that protect the victims, and also protect those accused in case the accusations prove false.


There will always be wolves amongst the flock, sometimes even in the very leaders. But wrongfully slandering all Catholics because of the sins of a few would be akin to dismissing the Apostles because of Judas.

The Catholic Church is THE most Christ centred, Scripturally sound Church in the world. It has spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to the four corners of the world. It is the world's LARGEST charitable organization, bar none. It has provided the world with great advances in Science, technology, music, poetry, and authors. Countless men and women have been granted the crown of martyrdom from within it's ranks, even to this very day.

And even today, Our Lord calls all men and women to come ever closer to Him through His Church, the Catholic Church. Come! Do not be afraid of Christ! He only ever desires to bring you closer to Him.
 

dscherck

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Roman Catholicism = Apostate.
Roman Catholicism == The Church founded by Our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ. The same Church that causes the very gates of Hell to tremble in fear.