Fundamentalist Thread

[RoboOp]

Hi Shyness

Your topic is not a bad topic, but I think you should have probably made your own thread for this point that you want to make, or this discussion that you want to start. I think my points and purpose are clear in my original post. I simply said that I believe some clear things in the Bible (things that are indeed clear), and I posted it just to counter fundamentalist-bashing here, and to make clear what the administration of this site believes, for what it's worth.

 

[1still_waters]

Because someone in chat kinda asked about this topic, in a somewhat kinda, but not specifically direct kinda way.

*bump*

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I would like to say for the record that I think it's wonderful and loving that the owner(s) and moderator(s) of this board would allow discussion and even debate on their site, even for people who don't agree with all their tenets. Not all Christians are fundamentalists, and a lot of sites out there won't let anyone who has any view contrary to a very strict fundamentalism post. I've been booted from many a site (yeah, I know, none of you are surprised ) and I think it takes great courage and conviction for you not to do that.

I've always thought, if you have to ban or boot anyone who disagrees with you, you must be kinda shaky in your views. I'm glad to see so many people who are solid in their faith, even if it is different from my own.

God is good, all the time!

 

[murraymuzz]

I was just curious about the 6 day creation to a fundamentalist point of view, does 2 Peter 3:8 (But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.) have any weight on the interpretation of genesis?

 

[feedm3]

I was just curious about the 6 day creation to a fundamentalist point of view, does 2 Peter 3:8 (But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.) have any weight on the interpretation of genesis?

No way. He is making a point about the timeless attributes of God. A day at thousand years, a thousand years a day, could not both be literal at the same time.
It shows us God is not bound by time like we are. He is indifferent to day or a thousand years, because he is Eternal.

To put that with Genesis would be to take it way out of context and stick somewhere that it does not belong and make any sense.

Which one would you apply to Genesis, a day meaning a thousand years? Or a every thousand years meaning a day? God is not the author of confusion. And that would be confusing.

But instead the HS decided to use the Hebrew word "Yom" to reveal the time length. "yom" means a literal 24 hour day and is never used to describe a long period of time, so why would we force that into it.

Nothing in Genesis is outside the scope of God's ability, nothing in the book suggest an impossibility, therefore nothing demands a figurative interpretation.

It's only when worldly people don't have the answers to refute modern science's false assumptions, that they start wanting to force figurative interpretations everywhere they cannot answer, because they are to lazy to do any real research and see the evidence, or because they want to fit in with the world and not be at odds with the majority.

And the majority now is the ones who don't believe it, look at the statics in universities and places where these kind of topics are discussed.

 

[Abiding]

I was just curious about the 6 day creation to a fundamentalist point of view, does 2 Peter 3:8 (But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.) have any weight on the interpretation of genesis?

Was Jesus in the grave 3 days or 3 thousand years?

 

[murraymuzz]

Was Jesus in the grave 3 days or 3 thousand years?

I dont think that applies because Jesus was (is) fully man and fully divine, whereas God the father is fully divine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was just curious about the 6 day creation to a fundamentalist point of view, does 2 Peter 3:8 (But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.) have any weight on the interpretation of genesis?

Why would it? Peter is talking about time (or lack of) in the view of Gods perspective. Genesis is God giving moses an account in terms of time in man's perspective. There is no reason I can think of to think God would be giving moses an account on his perspective.

Plus. Peter said a day is like 1000 years to God, he did not say it was 1000 years.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont think that applies because Jesus was (is) fully man and fully divine, whereas God the father is fully divine.

why would it not apply? Is three days three days, or is it like the example you used 3000 years? it was a perfectly fine question to ask.

 

[BananaPie]

I'm a fundamentalist because I believe the Bible.

I have all these extreme fundamentalist beliefs:

1. a six-day creation, not evolution (I actually believe the majority of scientists today are deceived) CHECK

2. a literal world-wide flood, where God spared 8 people and animals in an ark
CHECK

3. the red sea parted while a million people crossed
CHECK

4. a man was swallowed by a great fish (and vomited back on land after three days)
CHECK

5. Jesus was born from a virgin woman (and hence, he is the Son of God)
CHECK

6. Jesus is God (and yet was a man)
CHECK

7. Jesus came back to life, days after being crucified (physically, and appeared to many people, and even ate with them)
CHECK

8. Jesus is the only way to God (all other religions are false, and from the devil)
CHECK

9. the sanctity of life (abortion is murder -- and I'm utterly horrified by the recent US Supreme Court ruling that gives guidelines on how to rip apart a baby as it is being born)
CHECK

10. women should be in submission, both in the home and in the church (men should lovingly lead)
CHECK

11. Jesus will return (straight from the sky), and this world will be destroyed by fire
CHECK

12. Eternal life and hell -- We who believe in Jesus will live with him forever (those who reject him -- i.e., most people -- will go to hell)
CHECK

...So there's my checklist.

There's my check list also. I'd include:

13. Jesus is the perfect atonement (All sins can be removed by the Blood of Christ)

14. Jesus was born to be King of the saints and Savior of the world.

15. The inerrancy of the Holy Bible

16. Salvation is a gift from God's grace because "God so loved the world..."

17. There exist only two types of people: those obeying, agreeing with God and those not.

18. All the miracles Jesus did, literally, occured in real 3-D space and time. (Yes, in one sitting, Jesus fed 5,000 men, apart from feeding the women and children).

Thank you, RoboOp, for this encouraging thread, and thank you, Still Waters, for bumping encouraing threads.

 

[JaumeJ]

Reason for post: It seems that we have some anti-fundamentalists using this site so I just wanted to make it clear that the admin and moderator team (and I hope the majority of users, I hope) are indeed Bible-believing fundamentalists (and we don't want our site to be represented by fundamentalist-bashers who don't believe the Bible).

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I'm a fundamentalist because I believe the Bible.

I have all these extreme fundamentalist beliefs:

1. a six-day creation, not evolution (I actually believe the majority of scientists today are deceived)

2. a literal world-wide flood, where God spared 8 people and animals in an ark

3. the red sea parted while a million people crossed

4. a man was swallowed by a great fish (and vomited back on land after three days)

5. Jesus was born from a virgin woman (and hence, he is the Son of God)

6. Jesus is God (and yet was a man)

7. Jesus came back to life, days after being crucified (physically, and appeared to many people, and even ate with them)

8. Jesus is the only way to God (all other religions are false, and from the devil)

9. the sanctity of life (abortion is murder -- and I'm utterly horrified by the recent US Supreme Court ruling that gives guidelines on how to rip apart a baby as it is being born)

10. women should be in submission, both in the home and in the church (men should lovingly lead)

11. Jesus will return (straight from the sky), and this world will be destroyed by fire

12. Eternal life and hell -- We who believe in Jesus will live with him forever (those who reject him -- i.e., most people -- will go to hell)

Well I just started typing out all the main radical fundamentalist extremist points that I could think of from Genesis to Revelation, and it comes out to 12! So there's my checklist.

Thanks! Your posts always comfort............

 

[Spartacus1122]

Funny.

Fundamentalism is a major scourge in the Islamic world.

Does Christianity really need fundamentalism?

 

[JaumeJ]

Funny.

Fundamentalism is a major scourge in the Islamic world.

Does Christianity really need fundamentalism?

Classic apples and pears.

 

[Spartacus1122]

Classic apples and pears.

You mean apples and oranges?

Either way, it's still fruit.
The end result is the same: interfaith segregation, which weakens it and breeds animosity and fanaticism.

Ta'dà.

 

[Ariel82]

Reason for post: It seems that we have some anti-fundamentalists using this site so I just wanted to make it clear that the admin and moderator team (and I hope the majority of users, I hope) are indeed Bible-believing fundamentalists (and we don't want our site to be represented by fundamentalist-bashers who don't believe the Bible).

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I'm a fundamentalist because I believe the Bible.

I have all these extreme fundamentalist beliefs:

1. a six-day creation, not evolution (I actually believe the majority of scientists today are deceived)

2. a literal world-wide flood, where God spared 8 people and animals in an ark

3. the red sea parted while a million people crossed

4. a man was swallowed by a great fish (and vomited back on land after three days)

5. Jesus was born from a virgin woman (and hence, he is the Son of God)

6. Jesus is God (and yet was a man)

7. Jesus came back to life, days after being crucified (physically, and appeared to many people, and even ate with them)

8. Jesus is the only way to God (all other religions are false, and from the devil)

9. the sanctity of life (abortion is murder -- and I'm utterly horrified by the recent US Supreme Court ruling that gives guidelines on how to rip apart a baby as it is being born)

10. women should be in submission, both in the home and in the church (men should lovingly lead)

11. Jesus will return (straight from the sky), and this world will be destroyed by fire

12. Eternal life and hell -- We who believe in Jesus will live with him forever (those who reject him -- i.e., most people -- will go to hell)

Well I just started typing out all the main radical fundamentalist extremist points that I could think of from Genesis to Revelation, and it comes out to 12! So there's my checklist.

GOOD to know. now I know why I like this site

thanks for everything you do RoboOp and team.

hope you find time for your family. Kids grow up so fast. You'll be a grandpa before you know it, but hopefully not for another decade or so.

( PS. you should sticky this, perhaps it will save on some arguments? and fruitless debates)

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I was just curious about the 6 day creation to a fundamentalist point of view, does 2 Peter 3:8 (But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.) have any weight on the interpretation of genesis?

I don't think you can use this and apply it to Genesis, if your desire is to force Genesis to fit with the scientific account of creation (big bang / evolution). Genesis was never intended to be a science text book. I don't know why anyone would want to try and force Genesis to fit with a scientific account of creation. Let Genesis stand as it is, in all its poetic beauty, no? Why try and twist it into something it's not? I think God got it right the first time; he wrote it the way he did for a reason, and we should not try to twist his words to make it say something else, just because we want to take it literally and make it fit some sort of scientific theory.

 

[feedm3]

I don't think you can use this and apply it to Genesis, if your desire is to force Genesis to fit with the scientific account of creation (big bang / evolution). Genesis was never intended to be a science text book. I don't know why anyone would want to try and force Genesis to fit with a scientific account of creation. Let Genesis stand as it is, in all its poetic beauty, no? Why try and twist it into something it's not? I think God got it right the first time; he wrote it the way he did for a reason, and we should not try to twist his words to make it say something else, just because we want to take it literally and make it fit some sort of scientific theory.

yea like poetry - sayz tha house Kat

 

[psychomom]

Spartacus...please understand and believe that all I say here is with respect, from the bottom of my heart!

But the owner of this place has spent a lot of his own personal resources (money, TIME) to provide us with a place online. It's a gift he gives us.
And he has the right to say what he believes, as the owner.

If you are unhappy with his beliefs, I respectfully suggest you have the very same opportunity he did---start your own online chat site!

I wish you knew me, and could actually hear my tone...but I pray the Lord will help all to hear these words as I mean them.
And please accept my thanks, RoboOp, for sharing what you believe and allowing others to disagree.
And for giving us a safe place in which to do that. ♥

~ellie

 

[Ariel82]

You mean apples and oranges?

Either way, it's still fruit.
The end result is the same: interfaith segregation, which weakens it and breeds animosity and fanaticism.

Ta'dà.

if you mean by fundamental = sound doctrine based upon the Bible, then YES Christainity needs it.

if you mean by fundamental = an excuse to think you are better then others and more worthy through your misguided actions and not through God's grace and mercy to poor wretched sinners, then NO.

the difference between Islamic fundamentalist and Christian fundamentalist is WHO they are basing their foundation upon: Muhammad or JESUS.

who do YOU chose?

your mistake is that "interfaith" is thought to be a "good" thing and that animosity and fanaticism is the outcome of having sound doctrine. both assumptions I believe are false but that can be discussed in another thread if you like.

James 3
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Spartacus...please understand and believe that all I say here is with respect, from the bottom of my heart!

But the owner of this place has spent a lot of his own personal resources (money, TIME) to provide us with a place online. It's a gift he gives us.
And he has the right to say what he believes, as the owner.

If you are unhappy with his beliefs, I respectfully suggest you have the very same opportunity he did---start your own online chat site!

I wish you knew me, and could actually hear my tone...but I pray the Lord will help all to hear these words as I mean them.
And please accept my thanks, RoboOp, for sharing what you believe and allowing others to disagree.
And for giving us a safe place in which to do that. ♥

~ellie

Once again, I need a "love" button Not only has RoboOp provided a great chat site with his own time and money, but he is allowing respectful debate from people with whom he disagrees. That shows real strength of character, and anyone who has a problem with that can go sit on a tack (ouch)!