Aww... Michelle 'O Catering to the Christians

[Spartacus1122]

Romney isn't a christian. Is there a third party you were going to vote for then?

Christianity or religion will not create jobs, re-establish a free-market model (rather than socialist), and protect religious freedoms.

Third Party votes are USELESS and translate into pro-Obama votes. Anyone voting for 3rd Party might as well vote Obama, because they are useless votes. Remember the Bush/Perot/Clinton elections? All the votes for Perot ended up helping Clinton. Way to go.

Sometimes for the GREATER GOOD, we must bite the bullet.
So either you vote against Obama, or for Obama. Regrettably, there is no 3rd choice in this one.

Cheers.

 

[psychomom]

*psychomom wishes she could hit the "like" button for Ritter's post many, many times*

 

[Nautilus]

Christianity or religion will not create jobs, re-establish a free-market model (rather than socialist), and protect religious freedoms.

Third Party votes are USELESS and translate into pro-Obama votes. Anyone voting for 3rd Party might as well vote Obama, because they are useless votes. Remember the Bush/Perot/Clinton elections? All the votes for Perot ended up helping Clinton. Way to go.

Sometimes for the GREATER GOOD, we must bite the bullet.
So either you vote against Obama, or for Obama. Regrettably, there is no 3rd choice in this one.

Cheers.

Im trying to figure out what a free-market has to do with christianity anyways? Also I cant remember the last good thing a completely deregulated market did for anyone, enlighten me.

 

[djness]

Christianity or religion will not create jobs, re-establish a free-market model (rather than socialist), and protect religious freedoms.

Third Party votes are USELESS and translate into pro-Obama votes. Anyone voting for 3rd Party might as well vote Obama, because they are useless votes. Remember the Bush/Perot/Clinton elections? All the votes for Perot ended up helping Clinton. Way to go.

Sometimes for the GREATER GOOD, we must bite the bullet.
So either you vote against Obama, or for Obama. Regrettably, there is no 3rd choice in this one.

Cheers.

You didn't answer the question you just deflected it.
So basically what you are saying since you didn't bother to answer it is we should vote for Romney.
Since you are saying don't vote for obama and third party votes are useless and translate into votes for obama.

'For the greater good we must bite the bullet'' means you are saying vote for Romney. Biting the bullet means accepting something painful because it is necessary. If we have to ''bit the bullet' with Romney, then how is he better candidate then Obama?

 

[systemdown101]

You didn't answer the question you just deflected it.
So basically what you are saying since you didn't bother to answer it is we should vote for Romney.
Since you are saying don't vote for obama and third party votes are useless and translate into votes for obama.

'For the greater good we must bite the bullet'' means you are saying vote for Romney. Biting the bullet means accepting something painful because it is necessary. If we have to ''bit the bullet' with Romney, then how is he better candidate then Obama?

He did answer the question, just not the way you expected him to. But okay, how is Romney a better candidate than Obama? Well, we know that under the current administration gas prices have gone up, the debt has gone WAY up, more people are unemployed or underemployed, that the Vice-President himself has said that millions of people are in a depression, that Obama gave a blank check to green companies only to watch almost all of them go out of business, that illegal aliens are now a-ok, gay marriage gets a thumbs up, and that we're rearming Mexican drug cartels. That's Obama's proven track record. Now, if you think Romney can do worse that Obama, by all means vote for Obama. But looking over that list, I don't see how it's possible to get any lower than the mismanaged wreck we have now.

 

[Spartacus1122]

Im trying to figure out what a free-market has to do with christianity anyways? Also I cant remember the last good thing a completely deregulated market did for anyone, enlighten me.

There is no such thing as a completely deregulated market. The Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist perspective believes in that (Ron Paul types).
America is defined as a mixed economy, one that has implements both free-market economics, with some degree of government influence or regulation.

Obama has shifted the compass toward more government regulation and influence, mirroring that of Europe. In case you haven't heard, Europe is mostly bankrupt. As for the US, you cannot implement and grow government programs and services for 300 Million people, when less than 50% pay taxes.

You didn't answer the question you just deflected it.
So basically what you are saying since you didn't bother to answer it is we should vote for Romney.
Since you are saying don't vote for obama and third party votes are useless and translate into votes for obama.

As SystemsDown pointed out, yes I did, you just want me to say what you want to hear.
And yes, vote for Romney. Why?
Because Obama spent in three-and-a-half years MORE than what Bush spent in 8 years.
Because Obamacare will increase the deficit by trillions of dollars.
Because socialist policies have never worked, and never will.
Because his blind support for UN initiated mandates will negatively impact our future.
... and because he has not never ran a lemonade stand in his life (i.e. no executive experience), he cannot possible run the most powerful nation of 300 Million strong.

It's common sense. Either you vote AGAINST Obama, or for him. There is no third option, since the third option goes in his favor.

...as for "biting the bullet", that applies only to people like you. I choose to put obtuse ideology on the side, and vote for the GREATER GOOD.
I personally don't give a rat's *** about mormonism, I'll take that over the pseudo-Muslim/atheist Manchurian candidate we have in office.

 

[Nautilus]

I am unconvinced. Still voting for Obama and praying a majority of the country isn't dumb enough to put a conservative in office.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

Things not of God can give truth as well, but the utilization of these ways not of God are a trap and are not beneficial for any believer.

I'm sorry I'm not exactly understanding what you are saying.

Ok case in point. You can go to a fortune teller or medium and ask them a question in which they can give you a correct answer. OR you can seek the Holy Spirit, and since God's sheep hear His voice, the Holy Spirit will give you a correct response.

Both answers are correct, but the fact that you dabbled in an occult practice is both non-edifying and highly against what God wants us to do, opening us up to spiritual attack and opening spiritual doors. Similarly, following and listening to a spirit which is not the Holy Spirit (honestly, occult practices involve false spirits anyways), will also result in the same negative consequences. Avoid the things which are not of God, even if they masquerade as things of God or offer power and truth which can lead you down a path you want to avoid.

Proverbs 14:12

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

1) We are children of God, and walk in that light as the new man, doing what is pleasing to God.
2) We have a civic duty to vote as citizens of the United States of America (for those that are American)
3) Obama has a history of policies, decisions, and beliefs that are contrary to the bible. In addition his actions against Israel are significant. God will bless those who bless her and curse those who curse her. His economic policies have done absolutely nothing to further the economy, but they have moved us towards that "change" he promised. And honestly, he has kept that promise, but the change has not been for the benefit of the country.
4) Romney is not a Christian (Mormonism is not Christianity), and has a history of progressive policies that mirror Barack Hussein Obama's beliefs and actions.

So who is a Christian to vote for? Not like there is going to be a difference between the two candidates. George Soros has already expressed that he has both candidates in his pocket (or rather that there's no difference). Would not voting and not supporting two candidates that are not pleasing to God therefore cause our civic duty to be higher than walking and abiding in ways that are pleasing to Him? I would rather be pleasing to God than man. The laws of man are not higher than God.

On a side note, keeping Obama in office would continue the path of chaos from which a one world government/economy/religion can create "order" out of.

So once again, we're back to voting for the lesser of two evils..
Heavy decisions for true Christians. Will be keeping in prayer about this.

 

[Spartacus1122]

I am unconvinced. Still voting for Obama and praying a majority of the country isn't dumb enough to put a conservative in office.

If unemployment numbers, national deficit, stale economy, socialist policies, far-left politics, pro-aabortion & gay marriage, and questionable background are not enough to convince you, nothing will.

I would give him benefit of the doubt if he had done ONE, at least ONE positive accomplishment, other than taking out binLaden.
...but no.

 

[Nautilus]

I fail to see the questionable background, and I myself am a liberal. Because you know what's funny...Even though the bible says homosexuality is wrong and kinda says abortion is wrong if you consider it murder, thats fine, clearly those things arent for Christians to be participating in. But since when did it become our job to legislae how other people live their lives? Don't worry I'll wait for a reasonable answer as to where in the bible it says we have the right to control what other people do with their lives. I mean I will never have a relationship with another dude, nor will ever consider abortion excpet in the most extreme of circumstances(i.e., if the mothers life is on the line) , but its not my place or yours to try to use our faith to force others into our moral code.

 

[Ritter]

*psychomom wishes she could hit the "like" button for Ritter's post many, many times*

*Ritter appreciates psychomom's ovation and wishes that one person could like his post multiple times though he would suspect a South American dictator or community organization group of being behind the endeavor.

 

[systemdown101]

I fail to see the questionable background, and I myself am a liberal. Because you know what's funny...Even though the bible says homosexuality is wrong and kinda says abortion is wrong if you consider it murder, thats fine, clearly those things arent for Christians to be participating in. But since when did it become our job to legislae how other people live their lives?

So all those laws on the books regarding the legality of drugs, prostitution, civil and criminal laws WEREN'T legislated to tell people how to live our lives? Or those on compulsory education, speed limits, wearing seat belts and helmets? Wait, how about Bloomberg saying you can't have large soft drinks anymore? The government has been doing this legislating for quite awhile now.

Don't worry I'll wait for a reasonable answer as to where in the bible it says we have the right to control what other people do with their lives.

Does the government have that right too? If it does, who controls them? That would be, uh, our votes, right? And if the government DOESN'T have the right to control other peoples behavior, well we're in a lot of trouble because they've usurped a lot of power somewhere.

I mean I will never have a relationship with another dude, nor will ever consider abortion excpet in the most extreme of circumstances(i.e., if the mothers life is on the line) , but its not my place or yours to try to use our faith to force others into our moral code.

But it IS our responsibility as voters to vote for the person who either represents our beliefs and (may) implement them, or which one will be the better leader for the greater good, or both. See, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Ultimately, by voting for the people who best reflect our personal beliefs on what the right thing to do is, yes we ARE legislating how people live their lives.

 

[Nautilus]

I meant as christians we shouldnt be forcing our moral values onto others as laws.

 

[loveme1]

I meant as christians we shouldnt be forcing our moral values onto others as laws.

Of course, we should not "force" but we should most certainly be sharing the truth of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

 

[psychomom]

I am unconvinced. Still voting for Obama and praying a majority of the country isn't dumb enough to put a conservative in office.

Nautilus, you're too young to remember the 70s (at all) and 80s clearly, but ask your parents, or someone else older. (shoot, ask Ritter! He can give you a concise and complete answer, I'll bet.)
Ask them about the "energy crisis" of the 70s. Ask them about being allowed to line up to purchase gasoline on Monday, Wednesday or Friday if your license plate ends in an even number, etc.
Ask what kind of economic shape the nation was in by the end of Carter's presidency. (not that it was completely his fault...each president inherits troubles, and I had a personal like for Carter)

And then ask what happened after the 1980 election, when Reaganomics was implemented. RR was far from a perfect president, but his administration's economic plan had a significantly positive impact on the people of this country, by and large.
Do some historical research to find out how a "conservative" might affect our lives.

I don't mean to say Romney is the answer. He didn't exactly do a bang-up job as governer of Massachussetts. (see:socialized medicine and its economic impact on that state)
But I do believe Obama's policies in just about every arena have failed, and 4 more years of his administration's policies is a frightening thought to me.

I encourage you to check out our Constitution for an idea of what the gov't's power should be, as opposed to what it is. We're so far off it would be hilarious were it not so sad.
But, as my wise husband says...God has a plan.

~ellie

 

[Nautilus]

Sigh ok, well Psychomom I know you had no idea about me ad yes i am too young to remember the 70s and was only a child in the 80s however if anyone in my family were to give a history on politics to other family members it would be me lol. I did graduated with a bachelor;s in political science and currently am finishing law school. I know a thing or two about presidencies. And yes Reaganomics were fantastic for the time at which they were applied. But then Clinton also had one of the most economically successful presidencies in a while. Source Forbes.com- "Clinton's two terms in office (1993-2001) were marked by strong numbers for gross domestic product and employment growth and especially for deficit reduction. His overall ranking puts him first among the ten postwar presidents--ahead of Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy and Reagan, who were tightly grouped behind the 42nd president.''

So democrats can do just fine as well. Also did you know who the most religious president in history was? It’s an interesting answer and I got this information from NPR, so it’s probably not slanted in the way you think. The most religious president in history in terms of appearances in churches and mentions of the bible was Clinton. Bill Clinton is the most religious president we’ve had. He beats George Bush hands down and he beats Carter, who we know was a born-again Christian. He beats him hands down. Though this is just outward showings of faith it is interesting.

And one more thing on Obama, I mean at the 9/11 thing, maybe appropriately he read from the Bible. But you have two choices with Obama. You either believe that he is a man of Christ who prays for decisions in the White House, which he said he was or you think he’s a liar. And I'm not a polygraph machine. I don't think anyone else is either. So just because someone doesn't line up with YOUR(this being whoever, not directed at anyone) personal interpretation of scripture, of which we know there are thousands just judging by denominations, does not give you the right to say this man is any less Christian than you are.

 

[Spartacus1122]

I fail to see the questionable background, and I myself am a liberal. Because you know what's funny...Even though the bible says homosexuality is wrong and kinda says abortion is wrong if you consider it murder, thats fine, clearly those things arent for Christians to be participating in. But since when did it become our job to legislae how other people live their lives? Don't worry I'll wait for a reasonable answer as to where in the bible it says we have the right to control what other people do with their lives. I mean I will never have a relationship with another dude, nor will ever consider abortion excpet in the most extreme of circumstances(i.e., if the mothers life is on the line) , but its not my place or yours to try to use our faith to force others into our moral code.

It's not what WE decide, it's what GOVERNMENT decides. And traditionally, the Democrat/Liberal agenda has always been BIG GOVERNMENT. The conservative/Republican agenda has typically been smaller government. Of course, both sides are equally guilty of messing up. Big time.

But when a nation's economy is in shambles, it is illogical and irresponsible to support an administration that in 3.5 years has outspent the previous one.
This is not ideological, it is common sense.

Social issues such as abortion and gay marriage are not the primary concern of any citizen. Stabilizing the economy and promoting jobs and investments is.
Is Obama the right candidate for that? Obviously not. He never ran or managed anything.

I respect your liberal ideals, even though I obviously disagree with them.
But there is no way anyone can justify Obama's sub-par economic performance.

Take care.

 

[needmesomejesus]

Ok case in point. You can go to a fortune teller or medium and ask them a question in which they can give you a correct answer. OR you can seek the Holy Spirit, and since God's sheep hear His voice, the Holy Spirit will give you a correct response.

Both answers are correct, but the fact that you dabbled in an occult practice is both non-edifying and highly against what God wants us to do, opening us up to spiritual attack and opening spiritual doors. Similarly, following and listening to a spirit which is not the Holy Spirit (honestly, occult practices involve false spirits anyways), will also result in the same negative consequences. Avoid the things which are not of God, even if they masquerade as things of God or offer power and truth which can lead you down a path you want to avoid.

Proverbs 14:12

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

I understand what you're saying. I'm not saying to got o bad sources. But God can speak truth through anyone and however he wants to do it. So what she is saying is true and we should accept what she is saying while we don't have to accept her. God speaks through unusual ways to grab the attention of those who needed to hear it.

 

[psychomom]

Sigh ok, well Psychomom I know you had no idea about me ad yes i am too young to remember the 70s and was only a child in the 80s however if anyone in my family were to give a history on politics to other family members it would be me lol. I did graduated with a bachelor;s in political science and currently am finishing law school. I know a thing or two about presidencies. And yes Reaganomics were fantastic for the time at which they were applied. But then Clinton also had one of the most economically successful presidencies in a while. Source Forbes.com- "Clinton's two terms in office (1993-2001) were marked by strong numbers for gross domestic product and employment growth and especially for deficit reduction. His overall ranking puts him first among the ten postwar presidents--ahead of Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy and Reagan, who were tightly grouped behind the 42nd president.''

So democrats can do just fine as well. Also did you know who the most religious president in history was? It’s an interesting answer and I got this information from NPR, so it’s probably not slanted in the way you think. The most religious president in history in terms of appearances in churches and mentions of the bible was Clinton. Bill Clinton is the most religious president we’ve had. He beats George Bush hands down and he beats Carter, who we know was a born-again Christian. He beats him hands down. Though this is just outward showings of faith it is interesting.

And one more thing on Obama, I mean at the 9/11 thing, maybe appropriately he read from the Bible. But you have two choices with Obama. You either believe that he is a man of Christ who prays for decisions in the White House, which he said he was or you think he’s a liar. And I'm not a polygraph machine. I don't think anyone else is either. So just because someone doesn't line up with YOUR(this being whoever, not directed at anyone) personal interpretation of scripture, of which we know there are thousands just judging by denominations, does not give you the right to say this man is any less Christian than you are.

LOL! I repent in dust and ashes!
Sorry, I didn't mean to point a finger at democrats in general, although I lament the loss of the '60s style democrat...
And I certainly never meant to say word one about our president's personal or spiritual life. I honestly think one could be a believer and be a lousy prez, and vice versa. I may have "opinions" about them (Obama's beliefs), but that's all they are, and I can (as honestly as my deceitful heart will allow) say Obama's religious beliefs have nothing to do with my opposition toward his leadership of the country. I somply think I can make a pretty great case for disastrous policies, both foreign and domestic.

But thank you for the interchange!
It's what makes it so great to live here.
~ellie
ps- I'll be in prayer for you as you begin your life in law. My children have a close friend who just graduated from Fordham and is preparing to take the bar. And another friend, our age, who's been practicing law (our DA, currently) for many years who says he doesn't envy the challenges today's young lawyers will face...best of luck to you!!