tithe

[Laodicea]

I guess it comes down to this. I believe we have argued our point effectively. The truth is right there in front of you. If you want to pay the tithe, go ahead and pay it. I will pray that your eyes are opened to the danger of puting yourself under the law. May God bless you brother.

Matthew 23:23
(23) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus here is not telling people do not pay tithe. The payed tithe but, did not have judgement mercy and faith. Jesus is saying pay tithe and do not forget those things.

 

[Hurricane1]

Matthew 23:23
(23) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus here is not telling people do not pay tithe. The payed tithe but, did not have judgement mercy and faith. Jesus is saying pay tithe and do not forget those things.

You fsil to realize something very, very important. Jesus Christ was born under the law, lived under the law, taught under the law and died under the law. In doing so, He fulfilled the law in perfect completeness. Therefore, your argument here is moot.

 

[Hurricane1]

BTW, the New Covenant did not start until the death, butial and resurrection of my Lord.

 

[Laodicea]

You fsil to realize something very, very important. Jesus Christ was born under the law, lived under the law, taught under the law and died under the law. In doing so, He fulfilled the law in perfect completeness. Therefore, your argument here is moot.

Do you know what it means to be under the Law? There is a thread called 'Under The Law' you can put your thoughts there. Do you know what the New Covenant is? There is a thread on the covenant as well.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/37519-under-law.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/37502-covenant.html#post737462

 

[garyarnold]

Matthew 23:23
(23) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus here is not telling people do not pay tithe. The payed tithe but, did not have judgement mercy and faith. Jesus is saying pay tithe and do not forget those things.

Let me try at this. Jesus was born during the time period of the Mosaic law. Jesus lived during the time period of the Mosaic law. Jesus died during the time period of the Mosaic law. The New Covenant, or New Testament, didn't begin until sometime after Jesus died on the cross.

Notice also in Matthew 23:23 Jesus said they paid tithe from their herbs, as they ought. Be Jesus did NOT tell them they should have tithed from their income from their professions as lawyers and teachers.

 

[Laodicea]

Let me try at this. Jesus was born during the time period of the Mosaic law. Jesus lived during the time period of the Mosaic law. Jesus died during the time period of the Mosaic law. The New Covenant, or New Testament, didn't begin until sometime after Jesus died on the cross.

Notice also in Matthew 23:23 Jesus said they paid tithe from their herbs, as they ought. Be Jesus did NOT tell them they should have tithed from their income from their professions as lawyers and teachers.

I would like to see you go to the thread called 'Under The Law' and explain what you think it means to be under the Law, also the thread on the covenant go to that and explain what you think the New Covenant is.

 

[garyarnold]

I would like to see you go to the thread called 'Under The Law' and explain what you think it means to be under the Law, also the thread on the covenant go to that and explain what you think the New Covenant is.

Have I said anyone was "under the law?" First of all, the OT law never did apply to Gentiles.

This blog is about tithing, and that's what my comments have been about.

All it would take is a little time to research tithing in the Christian Church, and even more so research tithing in your own denomination. If you bothered to do the research, you would find that when the SDA Church first began, the leaders all agreed that tithing ended at the cross. Then they came up with two or three of their own versions to finance the denomination. Finally, they took the Levitical tithe as a "model" and CHANGED IT to fit the needs of the SDA Church, and then the leaders asked the members to accept THEIR OWN VERSION as though, again, AS THOUGH it were God's plan for the church. Now they flat out teach it as God's requirement. Nothing but lies. You can read it all on the website of Ellen White's Estate. It's all there.

 

[Hurricane1]

Do you know what it means to be under the Law? There is a thread called 'Under The Law' you can put your thoughts there. Do you know what the New Covenant is? There is a thread on the covenant as well.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/37519-under-law.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/37502-covenant.html#post737462

You sir, are a legalist... which is exactly what Paul preached against. Mosaic law is extinct. Gods laws are now written on our hearts and in our minds. We no longer need the teacher (mosaic law) as we are led by the Spirit of God. Until God speaks to my spirit and says that I have to tithe, I will not put myself in adherance to mosaic law... period! To be under the law means that you make yourself subject to it... having to follow it. Paul stated that, if you put yourself under even one of those laws, you have tpo obey the WHOLE LAW... all 413 of them.

 

[garyarnold]

@Herricane1 - What gets me is even the legalists don't follow the OT tithing commands. They don't give a tenth of crops and animals as commanded by God. They don't take the tithe to the Levites as commanded by God. Instead, they tithe from their "increase" which THEY define as income plus gifts, inheritances, etc. which God did NOT command. They tithe money which God did NOT command. They take the tithe to the church which God did NOT command. Talk about being disobedient to God's commands - the legalists are the most disobedient as they follow NONE of the tithing commands they believe in!

 

[Laodicea]

You sir, are a legalist... which is exactly what Paul preached against. Mosaic law is extinct. Gods laws are now written on our hearts and in our minds. We no longer need the teacher (mosaic law) as we are led by the Spirit of God. Until God speaks to my spirit and says that I have to tithe, I will not put myself in adherance to mosaic law... period! To be under the law means that you make yourself subject to it... having to follow it. Paul stated that, if you put yourself under even one of those laws, you have tpo obey the WHOLE LAW... all 413 of them.

[FONT=&quot]Would you call Jesus a legalist?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Matthew 19:16-17
(16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
(17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Would you call Paul a Legalist?
Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:15
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 7:25
(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Would you call James a legalist?
James 2:10-11
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:17-18
(17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
(18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Would you call John a legalist?
1 John 2:3-4
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Revelation 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


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[Hurricane1]

@Herricane1 - What gets me is even the legalists don't follow the OT tithing commands. They don't give a tenth of crops and animals as commanded by God. They don't take the tithe to the Levites as commanded by God. Instead, they tithe from their "increase" which THEY define as income plus gifts, inheritances, etc. which God did NOT command. They tithe money which God did NOT command. They take the tithe to the church which God did NOT command. Talk about being disobedient to God's commands - the legalists are the most disobedient as they follow NONE of the tithing commands they believe in!

I know... right? LOL... Their logic just makes me shake my head. I actually had a guy call me satan because I don't tithe, lol.

 

[Hurricane1]

[FONT=&quot]Would you call Jesus a legalist?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 19:16-17[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/FONT]

Yes, Jesus was born under, lived under, taught under and died under the law.

[FONT=&quot]Would you call Paul a Legalist?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Romans 3:31[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.[/FONT]

On this, read the whole applicable section. Pulling out excerpts to twist to your liking is the same as lying...

21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,i through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
[FONT=&quot]Romans 6:15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.[/FONT]

Read the words I made bold in the very scripture you gave. We are not under the law, we are under grace. All Paul is saying is that it's not an excuse to sin.

[FONT=&quot]Romans 7:25[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.[/FONT]

Really? Again you remove one excerpt to twist to your religion...

7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”b 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

See if you can really understand what he is saying here.

[FONT=&quot]Would you call James a legalist?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]James 2:10-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]James 2:17-18[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.[/FONT]

Absolutely! Faith, when properly understood, causes us to do good things that the spirit leads us to do. James was condemning favoritism here... nothing more. He was not saying that we have to obey the law of sin and death... Paul wrote that, not me.

[FONT=&quot]Would you call John a legalist?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 John 2:3-4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[/FONT]

Again, you must read the whole scripture in it's context. Jhn is refering to the law of love that Jesus Christ gave us...

Matthew 22:34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment.</SPAN> 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c</SPAN> 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”</SPAN>


John 13:34“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.</SPAN> 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”</SPAN>


1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also fora the sins of the whole world.
3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God’s loveb is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
7Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
9Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 10Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in himc to make him stumble. 11But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.
12I write to you, dear children,
because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
13I write to you, fathers,
because you have known him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you have overcome the evil one.
I write to you, dear children,
because you have known the Father.
14I write to you, fathers,
because you have known him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God lives in you,
and you have overcome the evil one.

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 12:17[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 14:12[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.[/FONT]

Again, the laws are written on our hearts now. We do not need an external law to study and obey. If you take the 10 Commandments to adhere to, you are responsible for the "whole law", as Paul said. We are now led by the spirit of God... period. I would rather follow God directly than adhere to men and the written law. Knowledge of the law and trying to adhere to it, causes us to sin. Concentrating on it to obey it keeps us thinking about it, causing us to fall into sin. But being led by the spirit and keeping our minds on spiritual things, meditating on the Word of God... Jesus Christ (He is the word of God), that causes us to LIVE THE LAW FROM THE HEART. Taking the works of that law completely out of it.

 

[Laodicea]

Again, the laws are written on our hearts now. We do not need an external law to study and obey. If you take the 10 Commandments to adhere to, you are responsible for the "whole law", as Paul said. We are now led by the spirit of God... period. I would rather follow God directly than adhere to men and the written law. Knowledge of the law and trying to adhere to it, causes us to sin. Concentrating on it to obey it keeps us thinking about it, causing us to fall into sin. But being led by the spirit and keeping our minds on spiritual things, meditating on the Word of God... Jesus Christ (He is the word of God), that causes us to LIVE THE LAW FROM THE HEART. Taking the works of that law completely out of it.

If you follow God then you will follow the commandments of God.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I take it you only have a problem with one of the 10 commandments being the 4th?

 

[garyarnold]

If you follow God then you will follow the commandments of God.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I take it you only have a problem with one of the 10 commandments being the 4th?

The Bible does not contradict itself. IF it appears the scriptures contradict one another, the interpretation must be wrong.

Matthew 5:17-18 states Christ came to fulfill the law and not abolish it.

This is where some education in law is useful. What does fulfill mean? What does abolish mean?

Let me give an example. A legal contract is enforceable under the law. Let’s say you hire a contractor to build a swimming pool in your back yard. Once the contractor has completed the job, and everything in that contract has been completed, the contract has been fulfilled. The contractor’s job is to fulfill the contract, not abolish it. He fulfills it by completing the terms, bringing it to an end.

Consider:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV) - In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Colossians 2:14 (KJV) - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Galatians 5:18 (KJV) - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 3:19 (KJV) - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. In other words, until Jesus came and fulfilled the law.

Galatians 3:23-25 (KJV)
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:10-14 (KJV)
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

IF you feel you need the law, then my conclusion must be you haven't found the Lord. IF you feel you need the law, then my conclusion must be you don't have the Spirit dwelling within. The scriptures are clear. Once you find the Lord, and have the Spirit within, you no longer need a school master. The purpose of the law is to bring us to Christ.

Jesus gave us the two commandments we are to keep.

Now, I ask you Loadicea. Do you comply with the following commands? Please answer YES or NO:
TITHING COMMANDS:
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

 

[Hurricane1]

The Bible does not contradict itself. IF it appears the scriptures contradict one another, the interpretation must be wrong.

Matthew 5:17-18 states Christ came to fulfill the law and not abolish it.

This is where some education in law is useful. What does fulfill mean? What does abolish mean?

Let me give an example. A legal contract is enforceable under the law. Let’s say you hire a contractor to build a swimming pool in your back yard. Once the contractor has completed the job, and everything in that contract has been completed, the contract has been fulfilled. The contractor’s job is to fulfill the contract, not abolish it. He fulfills it by completing the terms, bringing it to an end.

Consider:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV) - In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Colossians 2:14 (KJV) - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Galatians 5:18 (KJV) - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 3:19 (KJV) - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. In other words, until Jesus came and fulfilled the law.

Galatians 3:23-25 (KJV)
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:10-14 (KJV)
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

IF you feel you need the law, then my conclusion must be you haven't found the Lord. IF you feel you need the law, then my conclusion must be you don't have the Spirit dwelling within. The scriptures are clear. Once you find the Lord, and have the Spirit within, you no longer need a school master. The purpose of the law is to bring us to Christ.

Jesus gave us the two commandments we are to keep.

Now, I ask you Loadicea. Do you comply with the following commands? Please answer YES or NO:
TITHING COMMANDS:
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

This is very well said. I hope he gets it now. He has been taught a very dangerous doctrine.

 

[OFM]

i give an OFFERING as GOD SAYS WHATEVER AMOUNT NOT LIMTED TO A % Range.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

What is your view on tithe?

My view doesn't really matter. What matters is, 'What does the Bible say about tithes?'

Abram? He tithed property that was not his. He had promised God he would not take any of the spoils to himself. In other words, he didn't claim them as his own.

Jacob? Jacob bargained with God, setting conditions that God had to first meet before he would give a tenth of all he possessed. (by the way, God did not meet that last requirement Jacob set forth until nearly 21 years after Jacob had made the vow) There is no evidence that Jacob fulfilled that vow.

God's Holy tithe? Given to the Levites because they had no inheritance in the land of Israel. Was only agricultural in nature. Was never money. Was paid twice a year in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, & 5th years of a seven year cycle; one tithe to the Levites, the other eaten by the tither and his family and shared with the Levites. The 3rd and 6th years, there were three tithes. Same tithes as the second year, plus an additional tithe that was to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites, and foreigners taking refuge in Israel. The seventh year of the seven year cycle, there was no crop tithe... the land was to rest.

Christ abolished the tithes according to the New Testament.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

If you say that Jesus did not qualify as tither, don't you say that He did not keep the law in that regard, thus He was not the spotless lamb that God required?

Jesus did not raise crops, nor did He herd animals. He was a carpenter. He was not required by Law to tithe.

Only farmers and herders were required to tithe to the Levites per the commandments written in the Mosaic Law.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Say what ye will about the means of tithing. There is no scripture that says that tithing has been abolished. Tithing is the least that God is asking for. Many christians don't even give that. There was some people making a report on tithing some years ago and they came to the conclusion that many billions of dollars worth were missing in tithes from the major evangelical circles. That means a lot of money and other values spent on something else. Think about that for a while.

Actually, there is a verse that says tithing has been abolished.

But before I give that verse, it should be noted that God said He gave His Holy tithe to the Levites (Numbers 18:24-26) He siad the tithe Law was for the children of Israel. (Leviticus 27:34) He said the tithe was agricultural and to be eaten. (Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 14:22-29) Notice in the Deuteronomy passage that the tither was to eat the tithe with his family and the Levites in the place that God chose.

God chooses the place that the tither is to take the tithe to. Can you provide a Scripture where God says "Take ye the tithe to the Church in (place your city or town name here)?

I already know that answer, but had to ask it so that you might think about it.

On to the abolishment of tithing...

Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Here, we read that tithing is an ordinance.

Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Here, we read that the ordinances were abolished.

Hence, tithing has been abolished.

 

[Linda70]

The bibilical tithe was never money. God defined what His holy tithe consisted of in Leviticus 27:30-33:

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.