Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Red giving you the answer you believe to be true will not include or exclude a person from the body of Yahshua the Messiah.
If my response differed would that make me part of the body and you not?
I think you should stop with your excluding mind....
I share all I receive and do not put forth questions to people to test if they are part of the Body of Yahshua the Messiah...
Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
If my response differed would that make me part of the body and you not?
I think you should stop with your excluding mind....
I share all I receive and do not put forth questions to people to test if they are part of the Body of Yahshua the Messiah...
Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
Even more precisely Red33, mustn't one keep the Sabbath as it was prescribed in all parts and ways?
Not just saying "well, Saturday is the Sabbath so I'll worship & pray this day, or rest this day".
There's quite a bit more involved in keeping the Sabbath than that, isn't there?
I'm for obeying the Moral imperitives in the 10 Commandments. Or trying to. We are to, obviously.
I fail daily though, because even though I have right-standing with God through Christ, I am not yet perfected (putting it mildly).
If I ever reach a point where I think I ACTUALLY DO "KEEP"/FULFILL them to God's Perfect Standard, someone please send me a PM wake-up call
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Not just saying "well, Saturday is the Sabbath so I'll worship & pray this day, or rest this day".
There's quite a bit more involved in keeping the Sabbath than that, isn't there?
I'm for obeying the Moral imperitives in the 10 Commandments. Or trying to. We are to, obviously.
I fail daily though, because even though I have right-standing with God through Christ, I am not yet perfected (putting it mildly).
If I ever reach a point where I think I ACTUALLY DO "KEEP"/FULFILL them to God's Perfect Standard, someone please send me a PM wake-up call
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You do not know a willing Heart goes a long way with our Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
I'll never claim to be perfect, because they are my perfection I Love, admire and adore.....
Tell others not how they should or should not, Yahvah God does not like haughtiness...
Not having a willing heart yet knocking or questioning how others Keep Sabbath to tell them it is not correct is haughty my friend...
Let Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah judge our hearts.
These are fair questions that the believer should be asking themselves as they examine their own heart to see if they are abiding in the truth and in the faith of Yeshua. Have you answered edward99 honestly? I keep the Sabbath but do I take communion with other believers in a local assembly and put myself under the word of God to be taught and to grow in grace and knowledge of Yeshua and have I joined myself to the work of that local assembly to edify the body, to seek out the lost of both Jew and Gentile and serve God with them by faith as one body in the will of God and in all things? Are we not commanded under the new covenant to be joined to a local assembly of believers, to worship the Lord and to do the will of God from the heart?
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I have communion with other believers but it's NOT a ceremony, it's a way of life. Whether it's on a Sunday morning in the Temple or at lunch or in some one's home.
As part of an assembly, we're like a family, too. We edify each other and exhort one another. We reach out to those in need and we talk with other believers (not necessarily those who go to worship where WE go).
It's part of being one with Christ and not one with Man.
What I have a problem with is that some people and religions believe that you MUST join THEM where THEY go and DO what THEY do if you want to go to Heaven.
I say that you MUST be one with Christ. If you end up going to where I go on Sunday morning, so be it.
If it was true that all believers had to go to one place, we'd be making pilgrimages to Jerusalem or some other place.
No.
God's Lamb's Blood was sprinkled on God's Altar, the Earth, itself.
As part of an assembly, we're like a family, too. We edify each other and exhort one another. We reach out to those in need and we talk with other believers (not necessarily those who go to worship where WE go).
It's part of being one with Christ and not one with Man.
What I have a problem with is that some people and religions believe that you MUST join THEM where THEY go and DO what THEY do if you want to go to Heaven.
I say that you MUST be one with Christ. If you end up going to where I go on Sunday morning, so be it.
If it was true that all believers had to go to one place, we'd be making pilgrimages to Jerusalem or some other place.
No.
God's Lamb's Blood was sprinkled on God's Altar, the Earth, itself.
There is one body but many members that make up that one body in Christ. There are many assemblies and local churches that God has raised up in various parts of the world through the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Each local assembly of believers represents that one body with the same head, Christ, but has their own local expression of that one body. We can't all go to the same church because it is geographically impossible but we all serve and worship the same Lord Jesus Christ.
So God sends us out into all the world to preach the gospel and make disciples of all those that come to Christ and through grace we establish an assembly of believers that are members one of another, so they can be edified by the word and be built up and grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. As they grow in this fellowship of grace with one another and in the Lord, God calls that local assembly to do good works and to bear fruit unto God. They do this in the unity of the Spirit through the love of God and by faith trusting in God's promises and abiding in Christ. Is that how you understand what God has called us to in the local assembly of born again believers?
So God sends us out into all the world to preach the gospel and make disciples of all those that come to Christ and through grace we establish an assembly of believers that are members one of another, so they can be edified by the word and be built up and grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. As they grow in this fellowship of grace with one another and in the Lord, God calls that local assembly to do good works and to bear fruit unto God. They do this in the unity of the Spirit through the love of God and by faith trusting in God's promises and abiding in Christ. Is that how you understand what God has called us to in the local assembly of born again believers?
We all have different journeys to make red, compare none by your own....
exclude no one by your own "standards" and the same goes for me also.
If we are for the Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth then we are one.
Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
exclude no one by your own "standards" and the same goes for me also.
If we are for the Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth then we are one.
Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
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What?
What kind of answer is that?
Maybe you actually just answer unashamedly later, I don't know.
This kind of cryptic, religious mantra in response to Biblical COMMANDMENTS suggests you're not all that obedient after all.
I'll ask again:
1) Have you been baptized?
If not, why not?
2) Do you partake of the Lord's Table, proclaiming His death until He comes?
If not, why not?
3) Do you attend an assembly where the body of Christ devotes itself to the apostle's and Christ's doctrine and the breaking of bread and prayer?
If not, why not?
4) Do you work with the assembly in service to the Church, The Lord's people?
If not, why not?
What kind of answer is that?
Maybe you actually just answer unashamedly later, I don't know.
This kind of cryptic, religious mantra in response to Biblical COMMANDMENTS suggests you're not all that obedient after all.
I'll ask again:
1) Have you been baptized?
If not, why not?
2) Do you partake of the Lord's Table, proclaiming His death until He comes?
If not, why not?
3) Do you attend an assembly where the body of Christ devotes itself to the apostle's and Christ's doctrine and the breaking of bread and prayer?
If not, why not?
4) Do you work with the assembly in service to the Church, The Lord's people?
If not, why not?
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I asked what YOU think Jesus meant when He said HE had come to FULFILL the LAW.
You said you knew the Lord's Will, His words, and that you've been taught only by the Holy Spirit. great!
The Holy Spirit will not teach anything untrue, and He will testify of what Christ has done.
What did Jesus mean when He said HE had come to FULFILL the LAW?
I'm assuming the above is your soteriology (how we are saved)?
Did you know there are over 1000 imperatives, including commandments in the New Testament?
Do you obey these for eternal life?
You said you knew the Lord's Will, His words, and that you've been taught only by the Holy Spirit. great!
The Holy Spirit will not teach anything untrue, and He will testify of what Christ has done.
What did Jesus mean when He said HE had come to FULFILL the LAW?
I'm assuming the above is your soteriology (how we are saved)?
Did you know there are over 1000 imperatives, including commandments in the New Testament?
Do you obey these for eternal life?
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Oh please. you share "all you receive"? from WHOM? God?
If you're not obedient enough to be baptized and attend an assembly, receive Communion, and serve what does that say about your obedience?
You say you "do not put forth questions to people to test if they are part of the Body of Christ...no, here you are just blasting Catholics - no questions to see if they have placed their faith in Christ's Sacrifice....and you yourself aren't even accountable enough to Christians to answer simple questions.
Hardly bringing any "Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah"
If you're not obedient enough to be baptized and attend an assembly, receive Communion, and serve what does that say about your obedience?
You say you "do not put forth questions to people to test if they are part of the Body of Christ...no, here you are just blasting Catholics - no questions to see if they have placed their faith in Christ's Sacrifice....and you yourself aren't even accountable enough to Christians to answer simple questions.
Hardly bringing any "Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah"
Yeshua said in (Mt 4:4) that every man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. I know you believe Yeshua and Paul did also. The revelation of the mystery of the church and body of Christ was given by our Lord Jesus Christ to a very zealous and devout Hebrew and Jew whose name was Saul, later Paul, and was converted on the road to Damascus. One who persecuted the church that existed at that time with threatenings and slaughters. Surely there can nothing hypocritical with this man who God had transformed and given so much grace and revelation to and a thorn in his flesh to keep him from exalting himself.
There is only one body and we have been placed in that body in Christ. The cross is the same cross that He shed His blood for both you and me, we have the same Spirit, the same redemption, the same Lord, the same faith and the same baptism into His body through the Spirit and have been sealed. We have the same eternal life and the same fate awaiting us when we put on immortality and incorruption. We are members one of another and we are to be like-minded and to have the same mind one to another with the same judgment so that there is no divisions among us.
I do not see where our Lord Jesus Christ makes any provision for different journeys for we follow the same Lord and when we look upon one another we see each other as being hid with Christ in God and not on some separate journey of faith. Was the Son on a separate journey from the Father? Did the disciples have different journeys when Christ called them to follow Him? Did not all those that followed Moses drink from the same spiritual Rock and eat of the same spiritual meat? The people of Israel were delivered from Egypt and crossed the Red Sea as one people and were all lead with a cloud by day and fire by night.
Ps 133:1-3
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
There is only one body and we have been placed in that body in Christ. The cross is the same cross that He shed His blood for both you and me, we have the same Spirit, the same redemption, the same Lord, the same faith and the same baptism into His body through the Spirit and have been sealed. We have the same eternal life and the same fate awaiting us when we put on immortality and incorruption. We are members one of another and we are to be like-minded and to have the same mind one to another with the same judgment so that there is no divisions among us.
I do not see where our Lord Jesus Christ makes any provision for different journeys for we follow the same Lord and when we look upon one another we see each other as being hid with Christ in God and not on some separate journey of faith. Was the Son on a separate journey from the Father? Did the disciples have different journeys when Christ called them to follow Him? Did not all those that followed Moses drink from the same spiritual Rock and eat of the same spiritual meat? The people of Israel were delivered from Egypt and crossed the Red Sea as one people and were all lead with a cloud by day and fire by night.
Ps 133:1-3
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
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Really?
Then how is it you are utterly condemning of common Roman Catholics? How do you know what God has decided for many of them, if they have willing hearts?
Then why do YOU do it? Repeatedly.
You're all about your loving obedience to the Law, and how it saves.
So why don't just explain how you keep the Sabbath? If you think obedience to the Law is critical, please help the church and reveal "what you have received".
If what you have "received" is directly from your teaching under the Spirit of Truth, why wouldn't you just openly explain what it is we are all missing?
How do you obey the Commandment to keep the Sabbath?
Then how is it you are utterly condemning of common Roman Catholics? How do you know what God has decided for many of them, if they have willing hearts?
Then why do YOU do it? Repeatedly.
You're all about your loving obedience to the Law, and how it saves.
So why don't just explain how you keep the Sabbath? If you think obedience to the Law is critical, please help the church and reveal "what you have received".
If what you have "received" is directly from your teaching under the Spirit of Truth, why wouldn't you just openly explain what it is we are all missing?
How do you obey the Commandment to keep the Sabbath?
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being "for" Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah in spirit and in truth means we are one"?
NO. It does NOT.
Just because you repeat two names you learned from a sacred-name cult means NOTHING.
There are false christs and false gospels. And we are COMMANDED to test those who come with odd doctrine.
Why do you have a problem being accountable for what you not only believe, but what you TEACH?
If you despise baptism and Communion with other saints, assembling with them, you are not ONE with them.
We do NOT all "have different journeys" to make. Please show me where it says this ANYWHERE in Scripture. anywhere.
We may all have taken different journeys to get TO the Body of Christ, but only when we OBEY the GOSPEL are we ONE with the Church, which is His Body, for Whom He laid down His life.
Have you OBEYED the GOSPEL? Are you REALLY obedient?
NO. It does NOT.
Just because you repeat two names you learned from a sacred-name cult means NOTHING.
There are false christs and false gospels. And we are COMMANDED to test those who come with odd doctrine.
Why do you have a problem being accountable for what you not only believe, but what you TEACH?
If you despise baptism and Communion with other saints, assembling with them, you are not ONE with them.
We do NOT all "have different journeys" to make. Please show me where it says this ANYWHERE in Scripture. anywhere.
We may all have taken different journeys to get TO the Body of Christ, but only when we OBEY the GOSPEL are we ONE with the Church, which is His Body, for Whom He laid down His life.
Have you OBEYED the GOSPEL? Are you REALLY obedient?
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It seems like this is now a thread about the difference between the Law of Christ and the Law of Moses one applying to those alive and united in the spirit with Christ and the others to those in the flesh to which the letter of the Law of Moses applies. Thank God in Christ I am dead to the old man that was subject to the letter of the Law of Moses and now I am alive to the Law of Christ which imparts life I can love as Christ loved me which is in the spirit a sacrificial love that cannot be accomplished in the flesh but now I am crucified with Christ to love as He loves.
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1) Have you been baptized?
If not, why not?
2) Do you partake of the Lord's Table, proclaiming His death until He comes?
If not, why not?
3) Do you attend an assembly where the body of Christ devotes itself to the apostle's and Christ's doctrine and the breaking of bread and prayer?
If not, why not?
4) Do you work with the assembly in service to the Church, The Lord's people?
If not, why not?
If not, why not?
2) Do you partake of the Lord's Table, proclaiming His death until He comes?
If not, why not?
3) Do you attend an assembly where the body of Christ devotes itself to the apostle's and Christ's doctrine and the breaking of bread and prayer?
If not, why not?
4) Do you work with the assembly in service to the Church, The Lord's people?
If not, why not?