Under The Law

Grandpa · Jul 25, 2012

Bingo!

The Law is fulfilled by Love. Love your God and Love your neighbor fulfills the Law.

The Lord Jesus has fulfilled the Law by His Love for us. He has done all the work for us in fulfilling the Law. His perfect blood has atoned for our souls. We don't atone for our souls by working at the Law, it has been done by our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

By faith, the Lord Jesus gives us His Holy Spirit which sheds Love through our heart. We now know Love, the Lord Jesus, by faith.

Now we fulfill the Law by resting in the finished works of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ. By faith we Love and no longer work. But the funny thing is that our Love that the Lord has given us produces its own work within us. Christ in us yearns for good works. But it is not a chore or a set of rules, it is Love.

Love fulfills the Law. Not work.

The Lord Jesus has said that without Him we can do nothing.

Amen.

Mediate · Jul 25, 2012

Grandpa said:

Yes, exactly.

These three remain, faith, hope and love, but the greatest is love.

It's through these three virtues that the spirit is defined. We love, and in our love, we give.

'love' in hebrew actually has, as one of it's meanings, charity. Love IS giving.

When we love. We give. Faith without work is dead. To get that work, we must love.

Therefore, faith without love is dead. (and what does love do, that's right, it hopes).

Faith in the word, is the same as faith in love. Have faith in your love, and it gives you strength to love even more. When you love, you work in love. Your love works within you too.

Good circle

Red33 · Jul 25, 2012

Grandpa said:

Every new and young believer should read this post and commit it to memory because it reveals the heart of God toward them and every believer, being executed by His Son Jesus Christ on the cross and commended toward us while we were still unclean from sin. Because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law for us, we can partake and be filled with His righteousness by faith.

Laodicea · Jul 27, 2012

Romans 6:14-15
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

If we are under the Law sin has dominion over us, if we are under grace sin does not have dominion over us and we establish the Law.

Romans 6:16-18
(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
(17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

If we yield to sin we are the servants of sin, sin has dominion over us and are under the Law. If we yield to Christ we become the servants of righteousness and sin does not have dominion over us and are under grace and establish the Law.

angelofmercy · Jul 27, 2012

Laodicea said:

Romans 6:14-15
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

If we are under the Law sin has dominion over us, if we are under grace sin does not have dominion over us and we establish the Law.

Romans 6:16-18
(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
(17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

If we yield to sin we are the servants of sin, sin has dominion over us and are under the Law. If we yield to Christ we become the servants of righteousness and sin does not have dominion over us and are under grace and establish the Law.

What does it mean to be under the law?

Laodicea · Jul 27, 2012

angelofmercy said:

To be under the Law is to be under the condemnation of the Law, my previous post has more info. Read it.

newcovenantchristian · Jul 27, 2012

angelofmercy said:

I would say if you are under the law the law can condemn you, it is in knowing this is not the case that you far better uphold the good laws of God He would have you keep
Rom 3:31, Rom6:14

RedTent · Jul 27, 2012

Frankly, Grandpa, this is mostly a bunch of double talk. How is the law “fulfilled” by love? There is no law God ever gave that can’t be traced to love. Even the command not to lie can be traced to love. A loving person is honest. But what does fulfilled have to do with it?

You say Christ did all the work in fulfilling the law. Through Christ we have a way to have forgiveness when we break the law. Is that what you are trying to say with these words?

We are accepted in the kingdom through our faith, not our works. What is this business about no longer working after we are accepted through our faith? After we are accepted in the kingdom we just let it all hang out? I have been told the Holy Spirit will guide me. I spend time every morning in study of God’s word, I put on a prayer shawl that helps me close out the world so I can be apart to listen to the Holy Spirit. And still!!! I have sin I need to take to Jesus for forgiveness, I need to repent. You can decide to not do any work because you are a child of God, to not follow any of His instructions for living in this world or “law” if you want to call it that. For me, I’m going to try just as hard as I can to work. I know God didn’t accept me in the kingdom because I worked to be perfect enough, and I am STILL going to do my best to work. God said so, I am in His family, I’m going to do my best to follow.

JaumeJ · Jul 28, 2012

RedTent said:

Frankly, Grandpa, this is mostly a bunch of double talk. How is the law “fulfilled” by love? There is no law God ever gave that can’t be traced to love. Even the command not to lie can be traced to love. A loving person is honest. But what does fulfilled have to do with it?

You say Christ did all the work in fulfilling the law. Through Christ we have a way to have forgiveness when we break the law. Is that what you are trying to say with these words?

We are accepted in the kingdom through our faith, not our works. What is this business about no longer working after we are accepted through our faith? After we are accepted in the kingdom we just let it all hang out? I have been told the Holy Spirit will guide me. I spend time every morning in study of God’s word, I put on a prayer shawl that helps me close out the world so I can be apart to listen to the Holy Spirit. And still!!! I have sin I need to take to Jesus for forgiveness, I need to repent. You can decide to not do any work because you are a child of God, to not follow any of His instructions for living in this world or “law” if you want to call it that. For me, I’m going to try just as hard as I can to work. I know God didn’t accept me in the kingdom because I worked to be perfect enough, and I am STILL going to do my best to work. God said so, I am in His family, I’m going to do my best to follow.

(with understanding) Hallelujah, amen! Wonderfully explained.

weakness · Jul 28, 2012

resurrection33 said:

The purpose of the law was that sin would be come exceedingly sinful. And was a scholmaster to bring us to christ It was never the Fothers intent that righteousness come by the law For sin taking occasion by the comandment wrought in me all manner of sin. For without the law sin was dead For sin taking Occasion by the comandment slew me. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead werein we were held; that we should serve in the newness of spirit, Not in the oldness of the letter.

newcovenantchristian · Jul 28, 2012

weakness said:

Wonderful post which goes to th heart of grace, and the victory it brings. Being under the law brings more sin, but grace brings far less
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
Rom 6:14

However, I do get disturbed when people speak of Christians not sinning at all, reaching a state where we do not sin. I have met no Christian (including myself) who perfectly upholds of all Christ's commands, so we need a bit of discernment here. I will not be perfect in the flesh while on earth, but there is a difference between that and sin being our master, according to what is written

Grandpa · Aug 2, 2012

RedTent said:

Its not double-talk. Its the gist of the gospel. The problem is you know it intellectually but you don't know it personally. You think you have to do something good to prove to yourself that you are worthy of God's Love. You're not worthy, that is the secret, no matter how much good work you think you do, or how much of the Law you think you obey. But God's Love for you overcomes this and He Loves you anyway. That is the whole point of sending the Lord Jesus Christ into the world to die for sinners. That's us. Sinners. We may think we know what love is, but truly we don't until the Holy Spirit removes the veil from our eyes.

I am not using double-talk but plain speech. Love fulfills the Law. It is the only thing that ever could. But not love like the world loves. Its not fickle love, based on performance. Its the real deal, the love that loves through thick and thin, through bad times and good times, for better or for worse.

I have another secret for you. We are not accepted into the kingdom through our faith. We are accepted into the Kingdom of God through His Faith, which is much greater than ours. You see, He has faith that by His Stripes you are healed, even if your faith is too small to see it.

The Lord speaks many times of allowing or not allowing the people to enter into His Rest. This is what Jesus and the disciples tried to teach people but I don't think it can be understood by the carnal, philosophical mind. I think only through the spirit can it be discerned.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Christ has made us free. Your flesh, in its desire to be holy and perfect, has put itself under the yoke of bondage, working at the Law to keep it in the flesh.

Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Through the spirit we wait for righteousness by faith, not by working.

Galatians 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

The flesh fights against the spirit. The carnal mind tries to trick and deceive, through philosophy and other means, those who are attempting to walk in a different way. That is by faith, by the Spirit.

Galatians 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

How do we attain this fruit? By works of the flesh? By not touching the elevator button on saturday...?? lol, Surely not. Only by abiding in the vine can we produce fruit. Only the Holy Spirit can produce the fruit of the spirit in your life.

How? You have not because you ask not. Surely your Father who is in Heaven is able to give you good gifts... You can ask God to be baptised in His Holy Spirit. You can ask God to show you the fruit of His Holy Spirit.

You lay down your sorrow and shame at the Cross of Jesus. The sorrow and shame of not following His Perfect Law. The sorrow and shame of living in the flesh and what the flesh desires. He already knows how much pain you have caused yourself. Lay down your heavy burdens and take up His yoke which is easy to bear.

And that goes to JaumeJ too. Someone who says Hallelujah ought to know what it means.

tribesman · Aug 2, 2012

weakness said:

We are not delivered from the law, we are delivered from sin.

The law never had the purpose to justify anyone though, it points to the gospel and thus Christ in that regard. However, for those who are justified the law also serve the purpose as a rule for their lives. As serving God we strive to keep it, by grace.

JaumeJ · Aug 3, 2012

tribesman said:

We are not delivered from the law, we are delivered from sin.

The law never had the purpose to justify anyone though, it points to the gospel and thus Christ in that regard. However, for those who are justified the law also serve the purpose as a rule for their lives. As serving God we strive to keep it, by grace.

Never better said, hallelujah and amen!

follower_of_Yahushua · Aug 3, 2012

Grandpa said:

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Amen brother, it is not our works but the grace of God working in us. We must seek His strength to escape the corruption that is in the world, not our own. The moment we start to believe it is our own works or our own strength, we will continue to fall until we learn to put our full trust in the power of the grace of God to live righteously in this present world as these verses state.

Ciscokid · Aug 3, 2012

Being under the law--is the Ten commandments, blood sacrafices, it's the rules the Isralites were told to follow.
Christian today are not under the law but under grace.Some say we are not saved by works --I tend to disagree. We R saved by works--we are saved by the work of Calvary.So --it's not a question of whether we are saved by works--but WHOSE works will save us.

Red33 · Aug 3, 2012

Ciscokid said:

That's why our great salvation is based upon relying and trusting in the work of another, we having nothing to do with any part of that work. That work was separate from us yet done for us, dealing with everything that would keep us from being able to receive it. We could not attain unto that work through any self effort of our own but that work could be appropriated and profited from through faith and trusting in the one who accomplished that work on our behalf. We were lost as sinners to that work but that work found us as sinners and imputed all of its perfect righteousness unto us when we believed upon it through faith. That work has made us complete and perfected us forever. That is the work of Calvary that you have so beautifully mentioned.

Mediate · Aug 4, 2012

We are always bound by the law, hence we are 'under the law'. If we break the law, it equates to sinning. Sinning separates us from God. So we must redeem our sin by confessing it to God and asking forgiveness for it. Then we are free.that's the beauty of it. We have a way out. We have a way to be free.

Live in love, give, be thankful. Work towards becoming a better person. And be sorry for your sins and mistakes, but most importantly, learn from them.

Eccl12and13 · Aug 18, 2012

RedTent said:

Yes...I know, I know....this is an old post. But I'm new to this forum and didn't want to bring up something that has already been discussed.....but this reply is just so excellent that I had to bring it back up to the front!

What RedTent says is so true. What do we do when we run across scriptures that appear to contradict?

We MUST study and ask God for wisdom and understanding. For God's word tells us;

Deut.8
[3] And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matt.4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

We cannot not dismiss ANY of God's words. All MUST work together.

Concerning this post; some scriptures say we are not "under the law". While there are others that tell us, "the law is Holy and just and good"!

So which is it? To truly know the answer we must study and pray and ask God for wisdom and understanding.

This we must do for ALL doctrine; Going to heaven or not! OSAS or not! Pre, Post, Mid or No Rapture! And the list goes on and on and on. EVERYBODY cannot be right! The only way we can know for sure is to do as God word tells us;

2 Tim.2
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Again.....EXCELLENT Reply!

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