Once saved Always Saved! Does the New Testament support this??

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Tru2JHWH

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The Bible teaches us if we continue to live(key word ) in sin and don't repent of these things, we can lose our soul and be cast into everlasting fire.

Romans 1:29-32 29)Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any man should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
This verse is definitely for all the people that will say "A loving God wouldn't send people to hell"
Luke 12:4-5 4) And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5) But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Matt 25:31-46 45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me, 46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I know many people will try and quote this verse Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Which is fine just know you can't isolate this scripture and think God is going to accept any Christians into heaven and that this gives you a reason to continue to live in sin.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
♦ Presumption Romans 3:4-6 4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 5) But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, and set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

If you believe that the Bible has no errors or contradictions, then you have to make sure every verse is not out of context and that it does not contradict any other verses in the Bible. Just have to clear that up because I know people are going to throw scriptures out there but if it is contradicting any of the above scriptures someone is wrong, and if it's me and you have book, chapter, and verse to prove me wrong then I gladly will take it and learn from it.

May God bless everyone who studies his word for himself!
 
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enochson

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Yes! Was david not a murder of another man and took his wife? Under the law he should have been stone. Yet he was a man after God"s owen heart what up with that? Yet alone he was the birth line of Christ. And you wonder if once save isn't preached.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Bible teaches us if we continue to live(key word ) in sin and don't repent of these things, we can lose our soul and be cast into everlasting fire.

Romans 1:29-32 29)Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any man should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
This verse is definitely for all the people that will say "A loving God wouldn't send people to hell"
Luke 12:4-5 4) And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5) But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Matt 25:31-46 45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me, 46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I know many people will try and quote this verse Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Which is fine just know you can't isolate this scripture and think God is going to accept any Christians into heaven and that this gives you a reason to continue to live in sin.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
♦ Presumption Romans 3:4-6 4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 5) But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, and set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

If you believe that the Bible has no errors or contradictions, then you have to make sure every verse is not out of context and that it does not contradict any other verses in the Bible. Just have to clear that up because I know people are going to throw scriptures out there but if it is contradicting any of the above scriptures someone is wrong, and if it's me and you have book, chapter, and verse to prove me wrong then I gladly will take it and learn from it.

May God bless everyone who studies his word for himself!
James answers this question quite plainly. Although many want to twist his words and make him say something different.

If one claims to have faith (saving faith) but does not have works (continues to live in sin would be a lack of works) can his faith save him? This is a great question we all must answer. Of course the answer he gave himself, If you believe (mere belief but no faith) you do well, even demons believe and tremble. Faith without work is dead. in other words, Faith that is not followed by work is no faith at all, it is mere belief, mere belief will not save you. You were never saved.

All the rest of the passages you quoted spoke of people who DID NOT KNOW GOD. How can someone who DOES NOT KNOW GOD ever have been saved? They were never saved, they are called people who believed in a licentious gospel, who's punishment was foreordained (jude) because they rejected the true gospel of Christ.

This is not teaching you can lose salvation. this teaches if you just have mere belief, but no faith, you do not know God, and you never were saved.

Why do people want to work to try to earn what God calls a gift? It is a mock to his integrity and character!
 
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Closemyeyes2cU

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1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
 
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follower_of_Yahushua

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1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1 Corinthians 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1 Corinthians 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

All of these people were baptised into Moses and ate the same spiritual meat and drink according to verses 2-4. Verse 11 tells us that they are exapmles to us for our warning. This clearly puts to death the false OSAS doctrine.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1 Corinthians 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1 Corinthians 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

All of these people were baptised into Moses and ate the same spiritual meat and drink according to verses 2-4. Verse 11 tells us that they are exapmles to us for our warning. This clearly puts to death the false OSAS doctrine.
Nice try, They were baptized in Moses, Not Christ. Moses was their leader. God fed them. But they rejected God and wanted to follow their pagan Gods instead of the real God. That is why God told them, they would never enter his rest. They never entered his rest because they rejected him.

No different than people today who hear the true Gospel of Christ, but reject it because they want to twist it to something that is not real. And either work for it, or "just believe" in it. They have eaten the same spiritual meat we all have having heard the truth, but like the children of Isreal, they rejected the true God for their false God,

God put the works based Gospel to rest, when he said whoever believes in him WILL NEVER PARISH, HAS ETERNAL LIFE. WILL NEVER BE PLUCKED FROM HIS HANDS, and WILL BE RAISED on the last day. Non of these are conditional terms, they all are based on God and HIM alson, His promise, His work on the cross. His gospel (which we trust in) If one does not believe in osas, all the promises are lies. For god should have said Might not parish, Might have eternal life, Might not be plucked from Gods hands, and Might be raised on the last day. A huge difference!

you can call osas dead all you want, The jews did the same thing in Pauls day, You are no different than they are if you say one can lose what God calls a gift.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Paul is not saying he is worried about being cast away from God, he is worried about being unable to preach the gosple, being unqualified, because like many pastors today we have people with hidden sin, who when it all comes out, are disqualified to teach the gospel, because they are seen as hypocrites. This is what Paul worried about.
 
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Closemyeyes2cU

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Paul is not saying he is worried about being cast away from God, he is worried about being unable to preach the gosple, being unqualified, because like many pastors today we have people with hidden sin, who when it all comes out, are disqualified to teach the gospel, because they are seen as hypocrites. This is what Paul worried about.
I disagree. Paul was using a race as an example and we all know that in a race the only thing that matters is how you finish.

Eze 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Wouldn't the very definition of "saved" signify that it is forever, as long as you do not consciously, knowingly, willingly give it away?

If you stop a kid from running into the road after a ball, do you think "oh, I saved him", and then walk away leaving the kid free to to the same the moment you left the place?
 
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Closemyeyes2cU

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Wouldn't the very definition of "saved" signify that it is forever, as long as you do not consciously, knowingly, willingly give it away?

If you stop a kid from running into the road after a ball, do you think "oh, I saved him", and then walk away leaving the kid free to to the same the moment you left the place?
If someone is drowning and someone pulls them out of the water and into the boat then they are saved, but if they choose to jump right back in the water that's all on that person.

You can be the most beautiful and righteous of Gods creation, but if you go bad, you go to hell. Just ask satan.
 

Katy-follower

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If there’s such a thing as losing salvation then it means there is such a thing as earning it in the first place. Salvation cannot be earnt, therefore it cannot be lost, because it is a gift from God which He doesn’t take back. There are numerous scriptures that state once we are born again we have eternal life. Eternal means eternal. No one can snatch us from the Father’s hand. Once a person becomes born again, the Holy Spirit dwells in them. The Holy Spirit never leaves a person, so it’s not possible for a person to be unborn spiritually. This isn’t biblical to lose salvation. Also, grace is grace, a gift. If we can lose salvation then you’re saying that it wasn’t by grace? Remember we receive salvation through faith not through works. Works are the fruit of salvation so they come after we’re saved.

I think maybe you’re confusing sin of the real Christians versus the sin of the ‘counterfeit’ Christians? Once a person is truly saved they've been forgiven completely and have no desire to sin, so they do not delight in sin and don’t have a desire to live an ungodly life. We try to follow in Jesus’ footsteps. However, we are not perfect and will occasionally fail, but we are saved and God helps us. As for the ‘counterfeit’ Christian (the ones that think they’re saved when they’re not – there will be many on judgment day that say “but Lord did we did not do this and that”)– but they don’t have the fruits of a real Christian - they were never saved as they were depending on their works - and this is what God will tell them on judgment day. These are the people that continue in their life as they always have or maybe they try to do a ‘good deed’ once in a while, taking the title ‘Christian’ but without the fruits of salvation to show for it. They were not forgiven by God.

So not everyone who says they’re saved is actually saved. We know by a person’s fruits. Therefore if a person does not bear good fruits (works are a fruit of salvation) then they are not saved. It’s the blood of Jesus that pays the price once and for all. Jesus paid the price because we could not. No person is perfect, so if you’re suggesting that if we sin we go to hell then no one will make it to Heaven because no one is without sin except Jesus. Otherwise Jesus died in vain.
 
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Closemyeyes2cU

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2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
 

Katy-follower

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If someone is drowning and someone pulls them out of the water and into the boat then they are saved, but if they choose to jump right back in the water that's all on that person.

You can be the most beautiful and righteous of Gods creation, but if you go bad, you go to hell. Just ask satan.
We are saved by the blood of Jesus. We're covered in the blood. Once you're born again you're brought out of darkness, your eyes are opened and your heart is changed, you are forgiven (paid for at a price). You cannot undo what's been done, neither would you want to. You can't unbelieve. This is the point. Those who turn away were never saved to begin with. They never had that born again experience.

The Holy Spirit dwells in all believers and never leaves. It's not like "poof, he's here" "you sinned so poof he's gone again" lol :)

Backsliding does happen to people (it happened to me, as I didn't grow as a new Christian back then) but God called me back 3 times last year. It took the 3rd time for me to really take notice, but it was amazing. I almost felt like Moses or one of the disciples feeling the complete power of God and looking up to the sky. Incredible.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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If someone is drowning and someone pulls them out of the water and into the boat then they are saved, but if they choose to jump right back in the water that's all on that person.

You can be the most beautiful and righteous of Gods creation, but if you go bad, you go to hell. Just ask satan.

I disagree with your wording.

I dp agree that we can choose to no longer follow God and thus loose salvation

But saying if you go "bad" you loose it means we are all doomed, because we are all bad ;) only the blood of Christ makes God see us otherwise. So if being bad removed our salvation, there would be no point in it in the first place, right? :)
 

tribesman

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Re: Salvation from God Almighty

You can't work for it, you can't earn it. Once you have it, it will keep you in it and it will bear fruit and preserve you until the end. You can't undo it and you can't redo it.

PS. The crowd in Matthew 7:21-23 were never known by the Lord.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I disagree. Paul was using a race as an example and we all know that in a race the only thing that matters is how you finish.

Eze 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
one who finishes a race recieves reward. In pauls day the judgment of who recieved what reward was called a BEMA seat judgment, Only Christians are said to recieve a reward.

The great white throne os the judgment seat of God. No Christian will be at that judgment, And none one will be receiving any reward, only eternal condemnation.

Paul is not going to contradict himself by saying he was sealed with the spirit of promise, who is his guarantee until the ressurection. Then later say he could lose it. He is talking about other rewards, not eternal life.

Again. As Paul said in romans, Abraham was not found by works, otherwise he would have something to boast about, because he earned it. he was saved because he believed God (had faith)

Your twisting justification (our position in Christ) with sanctificatio, (An ongoring race to be more like Christ)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If someone is drowning and someone pulls them out of the water and into the boat then they are saved, but if they choose to jump right back in the water that's all on that person.

You can be the most beautiful and righteous of Gods creation, but if you go bad, you go to hell. Just ask satan.
Here is your problem, YOU THINK YOU CAN BE RIGHTEOUS. If you saw yourself in the eyes of God you would be petrified of the sin you saw, and realize then how undeserving of grace you are. We can not be righteous, we can only allow Gods righteousness to work in us.

titus 3:4, NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, HE SAVED US.

we did not, and can not save ourselves. God must save us, and when he does, he says we HAVE eternal life, you want to toss what God says out the door and make it conditional life. because you have not seen yourself in the eyes of God yet, like the jew, you think you can still be righteous. and that is sad!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I disagree with your wording.

I dp agree that we can choose to no longer follow God and thus loose salvation

But saying if you go "bad" you loose it means we are all doomed, because we are all bad ;) only the blood of Christ makes God see us otherwise. So if being bad removed our salvation, there would be no point in it in the first place, right? :)
i disagree even with this. John says that many poeple have left God and no longer follow him or consider himself a part of the body of Christ, But they departed to PROVE they were never a part of the body, for if they were true members of the body, they never owuld have left.

One who has tasted grace will never leave that. ever, they may fall from time to time into prodigalsim, but they will never leave God.
 

tribesman

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...I dp agree that we can choose to no longer follow God and thus loose salvation...
If you believe you can lose your salvation by your decision then it means you believe you can regain your salvation by a decision and that you got your "initial" salvation in same manner. But - this is all your work. Not the work of God. That is the problem with that view.
 
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I have a question, those who say we could lose our salvation. At any point in your walk, have you ever felt like you lost your salvation? I asked this question to you only because im sure those who feel we dont ever lose our salvation would most likely answer no to this question.

The point im making is this, if you say you have never felt like you've lost your salvation, then you must have a perfect relationship with the Lord. And your preaching to us lowly less people who have lost our salvation, so there is no hope for us for we have lost it. wouldn't you think? In any case, your exempt from what your trying to teach or preach.

Ive always felt this to be a loaded question. However way you look at it, who are you speaking too? And who are you trying to convince? I almost feel this question was made by Satan. To have Christians fighting and debating with one another depending which side of this argument you stand. Should we be trying to prove who is right in this argument? Which we never would know till we stand before God.

But if you feel you already know the answer to this question, more power to you and you can rub it in my face when we are both standing before God. And I will thank the Lord for still allow me in due to the fact i never knew the answer to this question and still loved him anyway.