Once saved Always Saved! Does the New Testament support this??

[GreenNnice]

Yes the New Testament does support once saved always saved, also known as Eternal Security.

Salvation cannot be lost. That is a Christian can never lose his or her salvation. Now a Christian can lose many other things. Like their joy, their testimony, their character, their integrity, their health, their money, their rewards, and their millennial inheritance. But they can never lose their salvation since a Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit in this dispensation known as the Church Age. Now remember, the Bible has to be divided in its proper dispensations.

Here are some Scriptures that support Eternal Security:

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:35-39

The sealing of the Holy Spirit infills us with an indwelling confidence, a blessed assurance that Jesus is mine, but, in no way, is the sealing of the Holy Spirit A GUARANTEED ONE WAY FREEWILL RIDE TO HEAVEN, NO, NO, NO ! Work OUT your OWN salvation with FEAR! and trEmBlinG !!!

one who is saved and chosen, therefore, by that choice of answering God's drawing call , is needing to follow God's personal PLAN (will it be grueling? Afterall, God has mercy on whom He wants, gives grace to subjectively, He says, that is, to whom He pleases, scripture says) for their life??? I don't know, YOU don't know either, your life is a GREAT mystery of empowering, enduring, endearing faith, Follow Him

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. - John 10:27-30

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, - Ephesians 1:13

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30[/QUOTE]

 

[Deadtosin]

so now after spending last night reading Matthew I am under the impression we aren't saved until the moment Christ returns. In His parables He likens the kingdom of God to good seed being sewn and then tares among the wheat, but He goes on to say let them both grow completely and in the end He shall gather the tares for the fire and the wheat into His barn. Also the disciples say, "who then CAN be saved." not "who then IS saved" which implies it is an act in the future.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

(matthew 16)

does anyone have any scripture to support that we become saved before He returns?

 

[phil36]

As with all the gospels, Matthew contains a lot of the Kingdom parables. The Kingdom of God or as Matthew puts it mostly heaven talks about the realm or reign of God not a physical Kingdom as in 'United Kingdom, UK). I think you are confusing some sort of Millenial Kingdon yet to come, that is if you are pre millenial. Therefore, It is present the kingdom of God is here, it is like a mustard seed growing to full bloom. When Christ comes back it will be consumated. So the Kingdom is usually refered to as 'Already [but] no yet.

The message both John the baptizer and Jesus proclaimed the good news of the Kingdom.

As for salvation look at the steps Paul gives us in what is called the 'Golden Chain' Romans 8:28ff


Matt 7:22-23
Ephesians 2:8
Romans 5:9
1 cor 15:1-4
1 Peter 2:24
1 John 5:13

The scriptures above are just some to show salvation in the now. However the word salvation is like an umbrella term it covers all things like Regeneration,faith,sanctificatio...and Glorification... So in one sense you are saved into the Kingdom of the King, made right by being Justified through Faith.. and in the future at the consumation of the Kingdom you will be Glorified

 

[Deadtosin]

^^ Thanks Phil I'll be reading over all of that stuff and I'll be sure to go way ahead (where I can) and way beyond to be sure I have full context. Then I'll be back to relay what I gather from it. May take a day or two, God bless brother, and thanks again.

 

[resurrection33]

I believe this Scripture from the Old Testament refutes “once saved, always saved.”

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezekiel 33:17-20 RSV

 

[Red33]

I believe this Scripture from the Old Testament refutes “once saved, always saved.”

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezekiel 33:17-20 RSV

I am convinced that those who discredit God's great salvation that saves and justifies the lost soul to the uttermost through faith, are troubled in their heart and are insecure about their own salvation (Heb 7:25).

 

[GreenNnice]

I am convinced that those who discredit God's great salvation that saves and justifies the lost soul to the uttermost through faith, are troubled in their heart and are insecure about their own salvation (Heb 7:25).

Then you are wrongly convinced, Reddy.

 

[Red33]

Then you are wrongly convinced, Reddy.

Would you want to receive from God a salvation that can be lost or forfeited because of your actions or a disposition of the heart that might forsake God in some way? Is this the kind of salvation that was offered through the death, burial and RESURRECTION of Christ? Would you want to know and have fellowship with the Saviour that would offer only a conditional salvation to those that trust Him and call upon His name to be saved? Is this the kind of salvation described as the eternal redemption that was obtained for us by Christ through His shed blood in (Heb 9:12)? Is this what is means to be saved to the uttermost when we come to God by faith through Christ in (Heb 7:25)?

There is absolutely no indication in scripture that the Holy Spirit that indwells the believer (1Cor 3:16)would ever leave or forsake the believer no matter what happens in their life (Heb 13:5). If the Holy Spirit, who can be grieved or even quenched, has sealed the believer with the promise of salvation through Christ in all through faith (Eph 1:13, 4:30), for salvation to be lost or forfeited the indwelling Holy Spirit would have to leave or be taken from the believer. Even when David prayed that God would not take His holy Spirit from him, are we to presume that he was referring to the indwelling of the holy Spirit or the anointing of the Spirit that was with him as anointed king (Ps 51:11, 1Sam 16:13).

 

[Katy-follower]

Here is a Copy/Paste that I think sums it all up very well......

Question: "Is eternal security biblical?"

Answer: When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security. Jude 1:24 declares, "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy" God's power is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.

The Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" (John 10:28-29). Both Jesus and the Father have us firmly grasped in their hand. Who could possibly separate us from the grip of both the Father and the Son?

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that believers are "sealed for the day of redemption." If believers did not have eternal security, the sealing could not truly be unto the day of redemption, but only to the day of sinning, apostasy, or disbelief. John 3:15-16 tells us that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If a person were to be promised eternal life, but then have it taken away, it was never "eternal" to begin with. If eternal security is not true, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

The most powerful argument for eternal security is Romans 8:38-39, "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Our eternal security is based on God's love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.​

 

[Red33]

Here is a Copy/Paste that I think sums it all up very well......

Question: "Is eternal security biblical?"​

Answer: When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security. Jude 1:24 declares, "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy" God's power is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.​

The Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" (John 10:28-29). Both Jesus and the Father have us firmly grasped in their hand. Who could possibly separate us from the grip of both the Father and the Son?​

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that believers are "sealed for the day of redemption." If believers did not have eternal security, the sealing could not truly be unto the day of redemption, but only to the day of sinning, apostasy, or disbelief. John 3:15-16 tells us that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If a person were to be promised eternal life, but then have it taken away, it was never "eternal" to begin with. If eternal security is not true, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.​

The most powerful argument for eternal security is Romans 8:38-39, "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Our eternal security is based on God's love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.​

I will never understand how any believer can ignore and refuse to hold on to these precious promises you have mentioned concerning our eternal salvation and redemption that was obtained for us through the blood of Christ and given to us FREELY by grace through the eternal Spirit as a gift of eternal life. FREELY (dorean) means undeserved with no strings attached (Rom 3:24, 8:32, 1Cor 2:12. If our eternal salvation is not secured when we believed, then any thing that we have received by faith through the work of Calvary is unsecured and there would be no way for anyone to be confident and to have any assurance in the mercy and grace of God (1Thes 1:5, Col 2:2, Heb 10:22, Phil 1:6, Ps 52:8,9).

The cross would no longer be a stumblingblock or foolishness to them that believe not (1Cor 1:23) and the death, burial and resurrection would not carry the power of God unto salvation and we would be ashamed (Rom 1:16, 1Pt 1:5). If the gospel of our salvation is not secured for us by God when we believe, then why preach it, because it would have no everlasting effect on the sinner who believes (Jn 3:36, 6:46, Rom 6:22, 1Tim 1:16, Rev 14:6). Do we really think that God draws a sinner to a salvation that only has a hope that is based upon our ability to persevere and maintain it? How does a powerless person saved by the power of God maintain that power? You can't maintain what you depend upon by faith to save you and give you life, that did not come from you. God maintains that in you so that you can experience His eternal and everlasting life and have fellowship with Him through the power of the Holy Spirit that dwells within us. That same power made us to become the sons of God when we received Him and believed upon His name (Jn 1:12).

 

[Mediate]

If salvation can not be lost, jsut because someone calls themselves 'saved', then surely salvation cannot be lost for anyone on Earth. Anything in between or wishy washy refutes both ideals. As you have said, it is eternal, yet undeserved, no string attached. If we are undeserving, are 'unbelievers' any more undeserving?

There are times, that people, in general, act as a follower of Jesus would, and inevitably, there are times where one does not. In the number of sins one commits, a 'saved' person my well commit more sin than an 'unbeliever'. If you like those terms. Similarly, an 'unbeliever', may behave in a loving fashion that is more pleasing to God, more times than a 'saved' person may. So where do we draw the line on who is 'saved', who is a 'believer', and who is not?

Being a follower is not about a simple term of 'being saved'. It is about the way in which one lives.

If, as some of the people in this thread have posted before, your belief is that 'not all will be saved', and not all who profess to believe will go to heaven, then how can you say that those who are 'saved', will never lose that salvation? Both statements are in direct contradiction to each other.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

There is a difference between loosing something, and tossing it away

 

[Red33]

There is a difference between loosing something, and tossing it away

Does loosing mean that it was accidentally lost and tossing it away means it was deliberate cast out?

 

[tribesman]

There is a difference between loosing something, and tossing it away

Why would a saved soul toss away his salvation, knowing what he has been saved from?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I have no idea whatsoever.
Why would someone who believes in God take part in some of the things (self- proclaimed) Christians have done though the ages like murder and torture?
(No I am not sidetracking, just saying that humans aren't very logical creatures)

 

[tribesman]

I have no idea whatsoever.
Why would someone who believes in God take part in some of the things (self- proclaimed) Christians have done though the ages like murder and torture?
(No I am not sidetracking, just saying that humans aren't very logical creatures)

If they lived in these sins then were they really saved you think?

 

[Deadtosin]

whats this?

2 Corinthians 13:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?



rep·ro·bate

   [rep-ruh-beyt] Show IPA noun, adjective, verb, rep·ro·bat·ed, rep·ro·bat·ing.
noun 1. a depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person: a drunken reprobate.

2. a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.

Mind you this was written to the church of God.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

*shrugs* Haven't you sinned since God called you? I know I have.

 

[tribesman]

whats this?

2 Corinthians 13:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?



rep·ro·bate

   [rep-ruh-beyt] Show IPA noun, adjective, verb, rep·ro·bat·ed, rep·ro·bat·ing.
noun 1. a depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person: a drunken reprobate.

2. a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.

Yes, Jude talk about such souls in his epistle.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Does loosing mean that it was accidentally lost and tossing it away means it was deliberate cast out?

well, my point was I don't think it can be "lost" or taken, but I think people can reject it, even if that would make little sense.