Obama emailed me about gay marriage

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Cwhzup13

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Many institutions in society use the phrase "sexual orientation" in
association with one's sexuality. The term orientation is unfairly
slanted towards left-leaning activist groups to support their claim
that because of inborn genetic tendencies homosexuals can not change.
The scientific consensus on homosexuality is that it is a due to a
complex interaction of environmental and genetic factors. This is the
same as the scientific consensus lifestyles for alcoholism, gluttony,
and pathological deceit." Regardless of whether or not tendencies are
genetic, the lifestyle choice is up to the individual. I have created
this petition to encourage organizations to present a more balanced
view of homosexual lifestyle choices and to remove the prejudicious
label that implies that homosexuals can not change. Please join me in
signing this petition at

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Join me in adding your name to the list to promote a change that would
make a real difference in the lives of those who are deceived into
thinking that there is no choice but for them to be gay, share this
with your friends, and help me get this to go viral so that we can make
a stand for what is right.

Chadwick E. Harvey
 
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wolfywolfs

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so you either chose an honest person who believes in things you don't to run your country or some1 who say things that make you happy but never really fufill those promises guess it suck for you guys alittle. though in the uk must people think when it comes to politics is "there all the same just a different name"
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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wolfywolfs said:
so you either chose an honest person who believes in things you don't to run your country or some1 who say things that make you happy but never really fufill those promises guess
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Well, apart from his foreign policy, I agree with SOME of Obama's platform. His economic plan is the only one that would work. The other guy is bad on both domestic and international. Actually this year I'm probably going to vote 3rd party or write-in.
 
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edward99

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TheGrungeDiva said:
Well, apart from his foreign policy, I agree with SOME of Obama's platform. His economic plan is the only one that would work. The other guy is bad on both domestic and international. Actually this year I'm probably going to vote 3rd party or write-in.
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What don't you like about their "foreign policies"?
Do you seriously believe there are two (or more) parties? When you see one agenda advanced regardless of "who" in office, you know it's over.

Long time gone, Diva. You should stop helping it along if possible.

The idea of social liberalism/and such are appealing to us, but that's the problem.
The Hope & Change the guys in power talk about isn't what you think it is.
It never was. Never will be.

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Marx and his collaborator, Engels, claimed that, even though the earlier socialists presented the magnet of a ''new golden age'', they had failed to make any progress towards their objective because they relied upon human intelligence and goodwill to attain their ideals of the perfect society. Marx and Engels stated that these earlier socialists failed because they had not understood the laws of human society and history.

It is elementary that if man can discover the laws which govern his life, he will be able to use these laws to decide his own destiny.

Marx and Engels not only claimed to have discovered these laws; they claimed that these laws showed that it was "historically inevitable" that socialism must be victorious. It was independent of, and superior to, mere human will.

The philosophy of dialectical materialism propounded by Marx, and his "scientific socialism", were clearly presented as the means by which Communists could obtain political power. The Communist claim is that as they discovered the laws governing all development, then these laws become the custodians of the Communist Party, which must use them to gain and to hold Communist power. Marx cannot be regarded as a true philosopher, but as a Socialist and a materialist seeking to present a philosophy which would make the development of Communism appear to be "historically inevitable".

ALOR - Dialectics
 
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Crossfire

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In the upcoming presidential election we've been given a choice between a Universalist (Obama) and a Mormon (Romney). If that's not choosing between the lesser of two evils, what is? Then again, our third option (Ron Paul) is even more horrifying.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Crossfire said:
In the upcoming presidential election we've been given a choice between a Universalist (Obama) and a Mormon (Romney). If that's not choosing between the lesser of two evils, what is? Then again, our third option (Ron Paul) is even more horrifying.
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I am a landlord. At one point I found out one of the houses I was renting out was being used as a brothel, and another as a pot house. You can imagine how upset I was to discover I had become the lessor of two Evils!

::rimshot::

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please tip the wait staff. :)
 
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Crossfire

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TheGrungeDiva said:
I am a landlord. At one point I found out one of the houses I was renting out was being used as a brothel, and another as a pot house. You can imagine how upset I was to discover I had become the lessor of two Evils!

::rimshot::

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please tip the wait staff. :)
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While I realize that it's your job to make a profit from your rental properties, I'm certain that those who live in those neighborhoods would much appreciate it if you would screen your future tenants more closely. No one wants to wake in the morning to the sound of their child screaming after they have discovered a dead body in the backyard. :(

The same holds true for politics. Some tragedies can be avoided if we done our homework before hand.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Crossfire said:
While I realize that it's your job to make a profit from your rental properties, I'm certain that those who live in those neighborhoods would much appreciate it if you would screen your future tenants more closely. No one wants to wake in the morning to the sound of their child screaming after they have discovered a dead body in the backyard. :(

The same holds true for politics. Some tragedies can be avoided if we done our homework before hand.
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It was a joke ::eye roll::
 
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smithbr8

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Why does everyone assume that all same-sex couples are horrible parents? That they will make their kids grow up gay? I mean, by that logic, only straight people are born to straight parents, right?

For me- I do not agree with same sex marriage, primarily because I'm not a lesbian. However, if two people love each other and are willing to commit to each other, why stop them? We would still say a heterosexual couple who cheat on each other everyday and beat each mercilessly is still more holy than a loving caring homosexual couple just because they are 1 man, 1 woman.

Marriage can be between:
1 man, 1 woman
1 man, many women
1 man, 1 woman, and concubines,
1 man, 1 slave without consent
1 man, 1 prisoner of war without consent
1 man, his rape victim if he pays the father approx. $14.94 in today's money.


There are so many combinations of marriage that are permitted, but not a homosexual couple if they love each other and I've never understood why. The Bible never says 1 man, 1 woman only. Why do we say it does?
 
NarrowRoadDisciple

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And this thread was brought back... let the fun begin sigh...
I still don't see why professing Christians want to yoke with what the world says is right. Anyways, carry on if this debate will continue.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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smithbr8 said:
Why does everyone assume that all same-sex couples are horrible parents?
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"Everyone" does not assume this. I don't, and I know many Christians who are with me. Excellent post, btw, thanks.
 
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Skydoogie

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For those who think that God calling the LIFESTYLE of homosexuality an abomination excludes all other lifestyles that are wrong...clearly some of us forget that sin doesn't care what we are. We ALL sin. It doesn't matter if you're heterosexual or homosexual.. Sin is universal. That's why we all should see what the Bible says about this stuff and not our own view on things. A heterosexual is not a homosexual, but that doesn't exclude them from sin. A homosexual isn't any more excluded from sin either.
 
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crying

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i have 2 dads. get over it. theyre like the nicest people i know and theyve raised me well. dont have a go at gays. dont. i know im probably over-reacting but these r my dads im talking bout.
 
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Jesusismyrock

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I don't hate or discriminate or treat anyone differently because of sexual orientation.
 
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crying

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thats good :) i hate it when people actually treat them differently cos of it. its stupid tbh
 
Praus

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crying said:
i have 2 dads. get over it. theyre like the nicest people i know and theyve raised me well. dont have a go at gays. dont. i know im probably over-reacting but these r my dads im talking bout.
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I have one dad.

Matt 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. (ESV)
 
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crying

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i have my heavenly father, my dad (thomas), and my other dad (calum).
 
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XYZ

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He did say that religious institutes still carry the right to act in accordance with their own traditions and.doctrines. Which in otherwords means that churches can refuse to marry same sex couples (which they will) and they will have to be married in a secular sense without any religious connotation.

In this case, marriage is the word they used, but it means legal partnership. 'Marriage', in the biblical sense, in a church, is likely going to remain reserved for heterosexual couples. Just thought id point that out.
 
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crying

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i just wanna point out that i do think that homosexual misuses r sinfull but that doesnt mean that them 2 people getting married our sinfull. i know that people r gonna disagree with that big time but thats just what i think
 
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XYZ

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crying said:
i just wanna point out that i do think that homosexual misuses r sinfull but that doesnt mean that them 2 people getting married our sinfull. i know that people r gonna disagree with that big time but thats just what i think
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The way I see it, the only reason this argument exists is because people are quick to give others flak for sinning differently than they do. Nobody lives a pure life except a child in its diaper, and they poo themselves lol babies.

Homosexuality is the highlighted misdemeanour of the age, but soon enough it will be something else. I challenge anyone who becomes disgusted by homosexuality and who chooses to focus on it as though homosexual people are less than human, to turn that disgust towards the sins that they themselves commit and I believe they'll soon feel a kind of self resentment that will make them think differently about being so ready to lash out towards a certain group of people who share a common fault.

Soon they'll realise that humanity as a whole shares a plethora of faults and they'll come to view their beliefs in terms of the whole of humanity together rather than us-vs-them. Perhaps then they'll be able to appreciate people for who they are instead of focusing on the sins that seem to precede them.
 
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