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Well what I am trying to say is that if you ask God to try and uproot the weeds Satan has planted in you, he will. It looks like he currently is doing it with you, however that doesn't make you Gay. You might be fighting homosexual feelings, sure, but God is taking care of it.
So for your questions,
1. Saved Christian
2. Normal
3. Confused by the enemy
As for the last comment, I said this because so many people out there who think because Satan has such a hold on them, and that the feelings are so hard to fight, it must be natural, and not a sin. So I said this because I did not know exactly what you were thinking.
Like I said earlier, when you are saved through Jesus, I do not believe you are no longer homosexual, or an alcoholic, because when you repent, that means you want to change as well. When you do this, you are no longer an Alcoholic, or a Homosexual, but a Christian. We all fight sin, but I believe that getting saved through the blood of Jesus is the act of recovery itself. That we now must fight what attacked us before, however it gets easier after we deny them that ground. Some of us might revert back to their old sins, sure, many do, however that's why Jesus is there, to help us through that.
So for your questions,
1. Saved Christian
2. Normal
3. Confused by the enemy
As for the last comment, I said this because so many people out there who think because Satan has such a hold on them, and that the feelings are so hard to fight, it must be natural, and not a sin. So I said this because I did not know exactly what you were thinking.
Like I said earlier, when you are saved through Jesus, I do not believe you are no longer homosexual, or an alcoholic, because when you repent, that means you want to change as well. When you do this, you are no longer an Alcoholic, or a Homosexual, but a Christian. We all fight sin, but I believe that getting saved through the blood of Jesus is the act of recovery itself. That we now must fight what attacked us before, however it gets easier after we deny them that ground. Some of us might revert back to their old sins, sure, many do, however that's why Jesus is there, to help us through that.
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Yes I do, but I do not have a homosexual lifestyle. I have never acted on my feelings and never will. There is a big difference in having an attraction and actually acting on that attraction/impulse.
I agree with you on question one and as for question two I agree normal just in the sense of attraction and number three I agree, but don't agree at the same time. By definition, a homosexual is a person with an attraction the same sex aka a gay person.
What I am trying to say is that even if you are saved you are in no way, shape, or form perfect. We all fall down sometimes, but with Jesus we can be saved and picked back up. By this I am meaning even a Christian might tell a small lie or let a cuss word out before even thinking twice so if a man only has attractions for another man that makes them gay by definition, but they can still be a Christian. The thing is though is whether or not they act on their impulses, which I do not. Once again what I am saying is that by definition that person would be both gay and Christian.
Well for me I am not going to say my feelings are natural or unnatural. I know it is unnatural to act on the feelings, but I don't think it is unnatural to have them because I can not control who I become attracted to. Can you control who you are attracted to? I know it is not what I want, but what God wants(which I don't want to be like this), but my feelings feel natural to me. I also think it is somewhat idiotic when people say a person isn't born gay, especially some Christians. They will say everyone is born into sin and yet gay people aren't born into their sin they are deliberately choosing to be gay. I know some people just choose to be gay, but I think majority don't choose it. I know I did not choose this and I never would.
I agree with you on question one and as for question two I agree normal just in the sense of attraction and number three I agree, but don't agree at the same time. By definition, a homosexual is a person with an attraction the same sex aka a gay person.
What I am trying to say is that even if you are saved you are in no way, shape, or form perfect. We all fall down sometimes, but with Jesus we can be saved and picked back up. By this I am meaning even a Christian might tell a small lie or let a cuss word out before even thinking twice so if a man only has attractions for another man that makes them gay by definition, but they can still be a Christian. The thing is though is whether or not they act on their impulses, which I do not. Once again what I am saying is that by definition that person would be both gay and Christian.
Well for me I am not going to say my feelings are natural or unnatural. I know it is unnatural to act on the feelings, but I don't think it is unnatural to have them because I can not control who I become attracted to. Can you control who you are attracted to? I know it is not what I want, but what God wants(which I don't want to be like this), but my feelings feel natural to me. I also think it is somewhat idiotic when people say a person isn't born gay, especially some Christians. They will say everyone is born into sin and yet gay people aren't born into their sin they are deliberately choosing to be gay. I know some people just choose to be gay, but I think majority don't choose it. I know I did not choose this and I never would.
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I suppose I really don't consider someone to be gay if they are praying about it and honestly asking God to take away what Satan has done to them. Just as I would not consider someone to be a thief if they have stolen in the past, yet has repented of what they have done in the past (both in action and in the heart), and are asking and working on changing their ways.
I also do not believe God would give you homosexual feelings, I mean why would God cause you to feel like that if he defines it as a sin? I believe this bad seed was planted in you by Satan as a young child, and grew into something so firmly rooted that it will require a lot of time and work with God to uproot it. After all, Satan does mean Tempter. So wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume the tempter put that in you so young that it feels natural as you grew up causing you to be far more willing to submit to those feelings? Satan doesn't just do this with homosexuality, but with the other sexual sins as well. Such as lust or masturbation. He plants that bad seed within you young, so when you grow up you feel like it's just a natural part of life, causing you to be okay with the sin. You can see this alone with MANY people nowadays. Just look at the world, they said those things are a natural part of life, and that it is a good thing to submit to them. Look how Satan has used that for all of the wicked things he has done. Not only does he hurt those who have that bad seed planted in them, but those around them as well because they are spreading how they feel about it because they have fell to his trickery. Satan does many wicked and evil things, and causes many people to fall to sin and become slaves. God does not do this, he would never lead you to your destruction.
Remember what Jesus said,
Jesus made it perfectly clear that God is not the tempter, but the deliverer. He will never lead you into temptation.
I also do not believe God would give you homosexual feelings, I mean why would God cause you to feel like that if he defines it as a sin? I believe this bad seed was planted in you by Satan as a young child, and grew into something so firmly rooted that it will require a lot of time and work with God to uproot it. After all, Satan does mean Tempter. So wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume the tempter put that in you so young that it feels natural as you grew up causing you to be far more willing to submit to those feelings? Satan doesn't just do this with homosexuality, but with the other sexual sins as well. Such as lust or masturbation. He plants that bad seed within you young, so when you grow up you feel like it's just a natural part of life, causing you to be okay with the sin. You can see this alone with MANY people nowadays. Just look at the world, they said those things are a natural part of life, and that it is a good thing to submit to them. Look how Satan has used that for all of the wicked things he has done. Not only does he hurt those who have that bad seed planted in them, but those around them as well because they are spreading how they feel about it because they have fell to his trickery. Satan does many wicked and evil things, and causes many people to fall to sin and become slaves. God does not do this, he would never lead you to your destruction.
Remember what Jesus said,
Jesus made it perfectly clear that God is not the tempter, but the deliverer. He will never lead you into temptation.
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I see where you are coming from, but homosexuality is different from stealing. My feelings affect me no matter where I am. Yes a person may be tempted to steal, but only in certain places. My feelings affect me whether I am at home or out in public. I would think someone who has been a thief wouldn't be tempted to steal something from their own home cause then it wouldn't be stealing. Of course I don't mean I am attracted to every guy I see, but there are some to which I feel an attraction to just like a heterosexual man with a woman.
To a point I think that it comes from Satan and not God. I see my struggle as a test of my faith. Who am I to say that this test did not come from the Lord? More and likely it is Satan, but still. Sometimes it helps me to think that it is from God. God would not give anyone anything they could not handle so if this is from God then I can be absolutely 100% sure that as long as I have Him then I will not fall too far to be saved.
I can not remember the exact verse, but there is a verse that does say that God gave them over to their feelings. The men and woman exchanged the natural for the unnatural, but I do see what you are saying to.
To a point I think that it comes from Satan and not God. I see my struggle as a test of my faith. Who am I to say that this test did not come from the Lord? More and likely it is Satan, but still. Sometimes it helps me to think that it is from God. God would not give anyone anything they could not handle so if this is from God then I can be absolutely 100% sure that as long as I have Him then I will not fall too far to be saved.
I can not remember the exact verse, but there is a verse that does say that God gave them over to their feelings. The men and woman exchanged the natural for the unnatural, but I do see what you are saying to.
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I can guarantee you my brother, that these feelings and temptations you have are of Satan not of God. However Satan can only do what God allows him to do, as we have seen from the Book of Job. It isn't to harm us, but to build us up. For example, if we want to get strong we lift weights. When we want to build up our immunity to different viruses, we have to fight the virus first. In this same manner I believe God allows Satan to tempt us to make us strong and to build up our immunity to his lies and sins. You are right when you said that God doesn't give us more than we can handle. He doesn't, as long as we keep our eyes on him we will come out of any sort of temptation Satan throws on us. Who knows what God has in store for you, perhaps he wants you to speak to other people who are homosexual, and wants you to have a good defense.
I still do not consider you a homosexual, but a Christian who has been under attack by the spirit of Homosexuality since you were young.
I still do not consider you a homosexual, but a Christian who has been under attack by the spirit of Homosexuality since you were young.
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Either way I don't usually identify myself as a gay christian just a Christian cause typically when you use the word gay someone is automatically going to assume the worst. I also don't identify myself as a gay Christian cause none of my family or friends know of my attraction. I was just trying to say I think it is possible to be gay and Christian because by definition of both. Gay means an attraction of the same sex and Christian means to have accepted Jesus and asked for forgiveness. So if you put them together you would have a gay Christian.
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Agravesx I must tell you, that i'm impress that at your young age you are soo wise and very knowlegable of the word of God, keep it up, I agree 100% to what you said, but I also understand Daniel94 from personal experience!!!!! this comes to when Jesus said Matthew 16:24 carry your own cross and follow me!!!!! at least this is how I see it, we all have a past, some of us come from a worse place than others, and we all have a battle to fight, and like it is said on Ephesians 6:12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. AMEN? I can share my personal experience to all you, I recently came to Jesus on may 4th this year to be more excact, I ask God for forgiveness of all my sins, I was also very specific in what sins. I ask God to break the chains of sin that I was tied to, I told God that by my own streght I couldn't do it, and ask him to help me. since that moment to now I have given my life to Jesus 100% and can tell you that God has change me 100%, God helped me overcome many addictions in my life, now all I want is to know more about my Lord Jesus Christ, all I now want is to be better and better each day, and also be holy and holy each day, now I tell everyone of what God has done in my life, and everyday I thank God for choosing me, and for having mercy over me, since I was the biggest siner of all, with this said I also have to tell you that the enemy/satan tries to attack me, ofcourse he does, and attacks my mind, but this is normal, this is when we must attack him back by praying, using God's word, and allways resist the temptations, there is a verse that always come to my mind Matthew 24:13 " BUT HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED." Said Jesus....... also for those that doubts that homosexuals can be saved/converted to Jesus read this verse " Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people--none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
AMEN my brothers? therefore we shall not judge our brothers and sisters who in good faith come to the Lord for help, we are the body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and we should love one another, we should help one another, as the bible also says Romans 15:1 "We who are strong must be considerate of those who are sensitive about things like this. We must not just please ourselves." therefore again my brothers love one another!!!! and also pray for each other!!!!! and after all God left his Holy Spirit to guide us into all the truth...... Amen, Blessings!!!!!!
AMEN my brothers? therefore we shall not judge our brothers and sisters who in good faith come to the Lord for help, we are the body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and we should love one another, we should help one another, as the bible also says Romans 15:1 "We who are strong must be considerate of those who are sensitive about things like this. We must not just please ourselves." therefore again my brothers love one another!!!! and also pray for each other!!!!! and after all God left his Holy Spirit to guide us into all the truth...... Amen, Blessings!!!!!!
I cant give yiou my opinion it means nothing, but I will give you the word of God!
Gal 5:16 I say, then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. And these are contrary to one another; lest whatever you may will, these things you do.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Rom 1:25 For they changed the truth of God into a lie, and they worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause, God gave them up to dishonorable affections. For even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; males with males working out shamefulness, and receiving in themselves .
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
These are just a few warnings of the fate of those who think they can sin like the devil, and still be saved!
There are many more sins other than a praticing homosexual that will exclude you from the kingdom, but bottom line is most liberal apostate churches teach you can be a homosexual, fornicator, and adulterer, and be saved as long as you just believe in Jesus!
I urge you to repent, and seek the mercy of God, and warn anyone who claims to be a Christian and is in some kind of sin, to repent!
Most know the powerful story of repentance and faith proven by deeds, explained in great detail in Jonah CH 3. Many who teach the false gospel today will say either repentance isn't mandatory to receive mercy and salvation, or that it is necessary, but comes sometime later, after one accepts Jesus as their savior.
They will also say that Jonah was Old Testament, and that all has changed for the New Testament Christian, but is this so? Can you bank all your hopes and dreams on this premise?
Jesus has something to say about this:
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, because they repented at the proclaiming of Jonah,(truth) and behold, One greater than Jonah is here. (Jesus)!
Basically Jesus is making it perfectly clear what He meant by repentance, and in no way did he say you could continue in unrepentant sin and enter the kingdom, as most liberal churches teach today!! He also makes a very profound statement, saying there is one greater than Jonah here, and it is God(Jesus), so the word's from His mouth still apply to us, and to an even greater power, as to what He meant when He said in Luke 13-3, repent or perish!
So as it stands, Jonah preached the word of God to the city of Nineveh, they yielded to it, from the convicting power of the spirit of God, which comes to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment,
Joh 16:8 And when that One comes, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment.
Joh 16:9 Concerning sin, because they do not believe on Me;
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
Joh 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
The whole city by their own free will and ability chose to obey from the heart as they were convicted, seeking the mercy of God, by first repenting of all their vile sins, they came before the mercy seat, broken, humiliated, and humbled, as God granted them the privilege of repentance, that prepared their hearts to receive His great mercy.
But their repentance had to be real, and from the heart, none of this confess, trust and believe Jesus did it all for me false message, but just the opposite, where real repentance and faith is proven by deeds, which was the great remorse and sorrow Nineveh displayed as they fasted, put on sackcloth and ashes, and sought the mercy of God for all their vile sins!
God grants repentance, God grants mercy, God is the author and finisher of our salvation, but we have our part to do in all of this, and He implores us to run the race with diligence and forbearance, to hold fast, to work out OUR own salvation with fear and trembling, less we become shipwrecked in our faith!
Thus getting to the end, and thinking Jesus finished the race for us, as most teach today! He finished the race as an example for us to follow, He didn't do it for us in any way, shape or form, BUT gives us all we need IN Him to run the race, endure to the end, and overcome sin, temptation, and the snares of the evil one! He did it, we can do it, or choose not to, live a complacent lukewarm life on the fringe, and hope to slide in under the wire banking on a provision that your false teacher told you happened when you accepted Jesus into your heart many years ago!
Folks, this is dead faith (the faith of demons) and will not add up to anything at the judgment!
2Ti 2:25 in meekness instructing those who oppose, if perhaps God will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they awake out of the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him, so as to do the will of that one.
The message is clear, coming from above, we are commanded to repent, seek the mercy of God and hope and pray He relents and grants us pardon and forgiveness of sins as the whole city of Nineveh did!
America needs to heed this warning and repent as the city of Nineveh, from the president down to the lowly:
Eze 33:11 Say to them: As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no delight in the death of the wicked, except in the turning of the wicked from his way, and so to live. Turn, turn from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Tommy 7-18-12
Gal 5:16 I say, then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. And these are contrary to one another; lest whatever you may will, these things you do.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Rom 1:25 For they changed the truth of God into a lie, and they worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause, God gave them up to dishonorable affections. For even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; males with males working out shamefulness, and receiving in themselves .
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
These are just a few warnings of the fate of those who think they can sin like the devil, and still be saved!
There are many more sins other than a praticing homosexual that will exclude you from the kingdom, but bottom line is most liberal apostate churches teach you can be a homosexual, fornicator, and adulterer, and be saved as long as you just believe in Jesus!
I urge you to repent, and seek the mercy of God, and warn anyone who claims to be a Christian and is in some kind of sin, to repent!
Who can tell if God will turn, and forgive:
Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn, and forgive: and will turn away from his fierce anger, and we shall not perish?
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they were turned from their evil way: and God had mercy with regard to the evil which He had said that he would do to them, and He did it not.
Most know the powerful story of repentance and faith proven by deeds, explained in great detail in Jonah CH 3. Many who teach the false gospel today will say either repentance isn't mandatory to receive mercy and salvation, or that it is necessary, but comes sometime later, after one accepts Jesus as their savior.
They will also say that Jonah was Old Testament, and that all has changed for the New Testament Christian, but is this so? Can you bank all your hopes and dreams on this premise?
Jesus has something to say about this:
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, because they repented at the proclaiming of Jonah,(truth) and behold, One greater than Jonah is here. (Jesus)!
Basically Jesus is making it perfectly clear what He meant by repentance, and in no way did he say you could continue in unrepentant sin and enter the kingdom, as most liberal churches teach today!! He also makes a very profound statement, saying there is one greater than Jonah here, and it is God(Jesus), so the word's from His mouth still apply to us, and to an even greater power, as to what He meant when He said in Luke 13-3, repent or perish!
So as it stands, Jonah preached the word of God to the city of Nineveh, they yielded to it, from the convicting power of the spirit of God, which comes to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment,
Joh 16:8 And when that One comes, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment.
Joh 16:9 Concerning sin, because they do not believe on Me;
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
Joh 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
The whole city by their own free will and ability chose to obey from the heart as they were convicted, seeking the mercy of God, by first repenting of all their vile sins, they came before the mercy seat, broken, humiliated, and humbled, as God granted them the privilege of repentance, that prepared their hearts to receive His great mercy.
But their repentance had to be real, and from the heart, none of this confess, trust and believe Jesus did it all for me false message, but just the opposite, where real repentance and faith is proven by deeds, which was the great remorse and sorrow Nineveh displayed as they fasted, put on sackcloth and ashes, and sought the mercy of God for all their vile sins!
God grants repentance, God grants mercy, God is the author and finisher of our salvation, but we have our part to do in all of this, and He implores us to run the race with diligence and forbearance, to hold fast, to work out OUR own salvation with fear and trembling, less we become shipwrecked in our faith!
Thus getting to the end, and thinking Jesus finished the race for us, as most teach today! He finished the race as an example for us to follow, He didn't do it for us in any way, shape or form, BUT gives us all we need IN Him to run the race, endure to the end, and overcome sin, temptation, and the snares of the evil one! He did it, we can do it, or choose not to, live a complacent lukewarm life on the fringe, and hope to slide in under the wire banking on a provision that your false teacher told you happened when you accepted Jesus into your heart many years ago!
Folks, this is dead faith (the faith of demons) and will not add up to anything at the judgment!
2Ti 2:25 in meekness instructing those who oppose, if perhaps God will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they awake out of the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him, so as to do the will of that one.
The message is clear, coming from above, we are commanded to repent, seek the mercy of God and hope and pray He relents and grants us pardon and forgiveness of sins as the whole city of Nineveh did!
America needs to heed this warning and repent as the city of Nineveh, from the president down to the lowly:
Eze 33:11 Say to them: As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no delight in the death of the wicked, except in the turning of the wicked from his way, and so to live. Turn, turn from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Tommy 7-18-12
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I used to think that two, but now I think that there are really three kinds of homosexuals.
- Homosexuals who have been under attack for a long time, and honestly feel that it is a natural part of their life.
- Homosexuals who choose homosexuality because they are looking to fill a void and think that is it.
- Homosexuals who choose homosexuality because it's "fashionable".