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So you say, you call it 'gravity' from the latin word gravitas for 'heaviness', this even if you formulate a measurement for it and call it gravitons or heaviness units or whatever you want, does not explain anythying, it is used to try to explain what is not seen, in any case I can easily prove that it is not 'gravity' that is the force causing the observable phenomena.
It explains plenty. Regardless of what you call it, it is there, it is measureable, it is used in all areas of science and physics today, with success. Thankyou Mr Newton. Boo to the naysayers, when was the last time you put a rocket into space or an aircraft up into the air with your "non-gravity" theories? Ever driven in a car? ever been on a bus? Ever flown in an airplane? All designed using the same theories which you claim are nonsense. I hope you take horse and buggy everywhere you go.




Gravity is poorly understood and very limited as a theory, it is called the "mystery force" and Newton himself admits he does not understand it, it's really just a secular gap filler like the word 'evolution'.
And your alternative Mr Einstein? :)



What makes us all hold together? what makes all our atoms hold together? what hold the earth up? I could use the Greek verb sunistao meaning cohere, preserve, hold together, this Biblical Greek word is 'consist' in English, Colossians 1:17 "And Christ is before all things, and by Him all things consist." "that in all things He may have preminence."
Are you saying that Christ is gravity? Then Christ can be explained by the formula F = Gm1m2/r^2? Perhaps it is the formula for Christ then. Christ equals 9.81 metres per second squared hmmm..




You know we have many people to this day searching fot the unifying of forces, searching for the hidden relationship between EM and 'Gravity' (I hate the word), but no one really understands, least of all what is this 'gravity', how does God keep us bound to the underside of a sphere hung out in black nothingness of space, I don't know!
Don't worry , I know how God does it, He does it using gravity.



Bible says that preminence is given to Christ and by Him all things consist, when secular modern scientists who are blindly following the ancient teachings of the Kabbahla call it 'heaviness' or 'gravity' with no understanding of what that force is, I have to stand up and say, No, wait, you cannot say that, your replacing God with an invisible mystery Yoda star wars type force and then slapping some ordinary number unit system to it and selling it as the universal law of just about everything, and now that is wrong!

Newton was a devout Christian, did you know?
 
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It explains plenty. Regardless of what you call it, it is there, it is measureable, it is used in all areas of science and physics today, with success. Thankyou Mr Newton. Boo to the naysayers, when was the last time you put a rocket into space or an aircraft up into the air with your "non-gravity" theories?
"I have not been able to discover the cause of those properties of gravity from phenomena, and I frame no hypotheses; for whatever is not deduced from the phenomena is to be called a hypothesis, and hypotheses, whether metaphysical or physical, whether occult qualities or mechanical, have no place in experimental philosophy" - Sir Isaac Newton.

"It is inconceivable, that inanimate brute matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon and affect other matter without mutural contact...That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance, through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity! That I believe that no man who has in philosophical matters a compentant faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it. Gravity must be caused by an agent, acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left to the consideration of my readers." - Sir Isaac Newton.

Ever driven in a car? ever been on a bus? Ever flown in an airplane? All designed using the same theories which you claim are nonsense. I hope you take horse and buggy everywhere you go.

Platitudes are not clever.





And your alternative Mr Einstein? :)

At least I don't plagiarize.




 
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Greetings,

Here is Geocentricity website that I have located, excellent physics and astronomy on this site for Christians interested in the truth and Biblical Astronomy.

http://www.geocentricity.com/

I am not in accordance with some of this site views, but I think it's a good all round introduction into the real model of our universe.
 
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I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this whole thread is, but following on from your rant on the Evolution thread:

Newton himself was unable to provide adequate explaination. Newtonian gravity theory does not explain planetary orbit as it does not really explain anything and Newton was not satisfied that it did.
Please show your evidence that it doesn't explain planetary orbits? Can you provide evidence for your claim that EMF is responsible?

"That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that, I believe, no man who has in philosophic matters a competent faculty of thinking could ever fall into it."
What Newton is actually stating is that there must be a messenger particle. Just as one person talks and other hears, vibrating particles move between the two - that's why you can't talk in a vacuum. Likewise, he's stating the affect of gravity can't just 'happen', something must be sent between the objects. At the time he didn't have any proof these particles existed. Today, we use the standard model to specify elementary particles - for gravity this particle is the graviton.

If by this you're implying, that this means he didn't understand gravity and that Newtonian Gravity is nonsense, an analogy would be something like...a fantastic racing driver who doesn't understand all the ins and outs of how the car works. Even though he's a won several championships, he's doesn't really know how to drive because he doesn't understand how the engine works. Newtonian Gravity, is a model of how mass affects the force between objects, for which it is accurate on a macro scale. It is not a theory of elementary particles, nor was it meant to be.


...in fact it is a simplistic and primitive old idea that fills a gap, it's a stop-gap, a prop used in the secular materialism realm, it's simplicity makes it attractive...
Yes, by today's high-tech standards it is a stop-gap. It does however still work fine for the majority of applications, but when it comes to sending things into space or using GPS, it isn't good enough that's why we need to use General Relativity.


Electro-magnetism is infinitely more powerful then 'gravity', what is called 'gravity' is very weak as a force, and poorly understood.
Electro-magnetism is much much stronger than gravity, but it only really works over very short distances. In the magnetic/paperclip example, if you separate the two by say a few inches, it's not going to have much affect. Gravity however works over much larger ranges. I don't really understand what significance this had to your argument against evolution?


For example; modern establishment empirical science would have a niave student believe that the moon's orbit is responsible for the tidal movement of oceans, a force supposedly by its own definition connected by weight and mass, the inquiry of course is then by that standard- how much does the Atlantic Ocean weigh? The neutral gravity zone has been breached no? Breached twice by the moon's 'gravitational pull' one reaching out towards the Atlantic Ocean and then passing back through a supposedly 'neutral gravity zone', that is illogical! But further they go claiming that this invisible force is able to pull an entire ocean towards it, yet a sea bird can fly against the 'moon force' on a ocean breeze!Or that the moon actually sucks the earth towards it causing it to bulge, like a beachball gatting sucked into the super vacuum cleaner, but that the earth's alleged gravity is some 6 times stronger so the Atlantic ocean gets sucked back to earth in the opposite direction intead of ending up with a splash on the face of the moon! And they call the empirical science!
If you think gravity doesn't affect the tides what does?

Some more science: There are many things that affect the tides. The moon is the major influence though. It doesn't really make sense asking how much an ocean weighs. Weight is dependant upon the gravity. The gravity on earth is dependent upon the mass of the earth. Since the ocean is significant part of the earth's mass, asking for it's weight is a silly question. A better question, would be the mass of the ocean.

The bird v. tide example. We're able to overcome gravity all the time, the force is normal to us. The slight variation of gravity (local gravity, rather than the universal constant) is so tiny, we don't notice it, neither would a bird. This tiny variation of gravity results in only slightly less water at every place the water is displaced, when all these 'displaced' amounts are 'focused' in certain areas it looks like a lot. It's like if every person were to give 1 cent to charity, that'd be a huge amount in total. It's unlikely each person would notice the difference.



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What is your proof that he stole it?
Because it was known long before a scruffy patents clerk claimed it.
Where is your proof that anyone knew of it before that? Is there some sort of Babylonian manuscript? Or was the average person able to just understand it?

Yes it works extremely well and has done for thousands of years, it just does not explain obsevable phenomena that all...
Which is it? It either works well or it doesn't? Which observable phenomena doesn't it explain?

..., it works well as an existential alienation meme for the purpose of mass human control.
What are you trying to say here?
 
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I am not in accordance with some of this site views, but I think it's a good all round introduction into the real model of our universe.
Rather than leaving yourself tons of wiggle room, will you please explain what parts you agree with or don't agree with?
 
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Wow... this is one of the most entertaining threads I've ever read! Thanks for the laughs...
 
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Mmmmm, interesting... But who could care less... I could be a freakin jelly bean for all i care! Fact is, i serve The Awesome God!!! Thats all that matters... Satan is sitting back at the moment and laughing his hornes off coz he has just succeeded in creating confusion among christians and now you are debating this unknown theory... Who the hell cares people, really? Woo Hoo God rules and THATS a FACT!!! And its not coz oprah said so!

LOL, anyways... Keep the flip side up ladies and gentlemen!!
 
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Well said, Goofy, well said...
 
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Please show your evidence that it doesn't explain planetary orbits? Can you provide evidence for your claim that EMF is responsible?
I never said that EMF was directly responsible for the orbits of planets, I said that EMF is infintely more powerful than gravity. The earth is emitting a massive EM force field which shields it from deadly solar radiation, this can be observed and measured; the Earth is literally a giant magnet. Gravity on the other hand is a theoretical proposition that has never been observed, neither can it be measured, it was so inadequate in explaining anything that it was simply replaced with Einstein's theory of curvature of space and reltivity of time, well either space is flat or it is curved, which one are the Gravitationalists saying is correct? they both cannot be right... either time is fixed and constant or it can speed up and slow down, both cannot be used simultaneously, although modern scientific priests like to claim both systems to work at the same time, which is absurd.

It is your claim that 'Gravity' is reponsible for the orbit of planets, but the theory of 'Gravity' remains an unproven theory, Newtonian gravity theory is proven to be false, it cannot explain why objects if dictated by their mass and speed do not continue on their attaction path until they collide. Because of this obvious unexplainable flaw, Einstein's idea was set upon by the secular scientific community of the day, for if space was not Newtonian flat, maybe it is Einstein curved, with a mass causing a dent in space, then space cannot be a absolute vacuum if it can curve, the curvature of space is then dictating the orbit, which would be impossible for the smaller mass must also cause a dent in space and create its own dent. In this case only two outcomes are theoretically possible either Einstein's theory leads to the same flaw as Newtons, because the lareger mass has a larger dent do once caught the smaller mass would curve and then screwdrive right into the larger mass gaining velocity as it gets closer to the larger mass, or the smaller mass having enough velocity on it's own straight path through space, falls into the lip of the space-curve dent of the larger mass, but escapes because of it's own momentum, rolling around the edge like a golf ball round the edge of a hole, then spinnig off in another direction.

Neither theories explain planetary orbit, or how an orbit is maintained by two objects of unequal size and mass.



If by this you're implying, that this means he didn't understand gravity and that Newtonian Gravity is nonsense, an analogy would be something like...a fantastic racing driver who doesn't understand all the ins and outs of how the car works. Even though he's a won several championships, he's doesn't really know how to drive because he doesn't understand how the engine works. Newtonian Gravity, is a model of how mass affects the force between objects, for which it is accurate on a macro scale. It is not a theory of elementary particles, nor was it meant to be.
It is a theory that cannot explain anything, if the one object has a greater mass and size under Newtonian Law the attraction can onle be in a straight line. If you jump out of a plane you will fall straight to earth, you will take the sraightest route possible straight down until you meet the ground and become worm feed! Now the earth is not moving beneath you, that is why all flight paths are based on a non-moving earth! WWII bomber just drop their bombs on the target below, no need to calculate a rotating earth!!!When out side the earth's atmosphere does a satellite get caught in the 'gravitational pull' of the sun? No, even though the sun's supposed 'gravity' is far greater than the earth it cannot wrestle a aluminium floating can away from the earth! The heaviness of objects is not what is holding the universe together, that is absurd, there is no logic behind that at all. There is no 'neutral zone' that is impossible by the logic of the theory of gravity itself, if the satellite out of earth's orbit must end up on the sun's surface for the expariment of gravity to provide an adequate answer, but gravity as a mystery unobserved force cannot explain what is observed, you might as well believe Yoda and the 'Jedi Force', it is no different to the proposal of modern secular science! They cannot even decide if space is flat or if it is curved, or a vacuum, or crammed full of vibrating paticles! Which one are they going to choose next time.



Electro-magnetism is much much stronger than gravity, but it only really works over very short distances. In the magnetic/paperclip example, if you separate the two by say a few inches, it's not going to have much affect. Gravity however works over much larger ranges. I don't really understand what significance this had to your argument against evolution?
EM only works on paperclips? What about we get a MIR scan of every cell in your body and then we send a SCALAR direct energy beam to split them all apart so they fly off in every direction at close to the speed of light? how about that? How far does Earth EM force shield extend out into space?




If you think gravity doesn't affect the tides what does?
Would you like me to write you out a thesis for you, because it's going to take a while to explain. Look 'Gravity' does not pull the atlantic ocean away from the earth all the while a small seagull glides over the waves on a gentle breeze! Yep, 'Gravity' explains that, sure, heaviness, all about how heavy something is, the moon can pick up an entire ocean and move it but a little feather just flies away in the opposite direction, and of course the big ol' moon has to reach through that 'neutral zone', it has to go neutral and then regain all its heaviness strength and pick up the ocean and suck the earth towards it like a super vacuum cleaner sucking on a ballon!

Some more science: There are many things that affect the tides. The moon is the major influence though.
No it's not, it's a sign, the moon provides light and and provides signs, it acts in unison with the tides, it does not cause them, that is impossible, did they teach you that in school did they? Well it must be the truth, school; state indoctrination factories, yea sure, they really know how the universe operates.

It doesn't really make sense asking how much an ocean weighs. Weight is dependant upon the gravity.
Now you are kidding me right?


The gravity on earth is dependent upon the mass of the earth. Since the ocean is significant part of the earth's mass, asking for it's weight is a silly question. A better question, would be the mass of the ocean.
You are kidding right? Mass is measured in kilograms!

The bird v. tide example. We're able to overcome gravity all the time, the force is normal to us. The slight variation of gravity (local gravity, rather than the universal constant) is so tiny, we don't notice it, neither would a bird. This tiny variation of gravity results in only slightly less water at every place the water is displaced, when all these 'displaced' amounts are 'focused' in certain areas it looks like a lot. It's like if every person were to give 1 cent to charity, that'd be a huge amount in total. It's unlikely each person would notice the difference.
So is the bird being pulled or not? Because the ocean is moving, it has a lareger mass, does it not? So by your faulty logic it is not determined by weight or mass, as the bird or a feather can overcome the supposed 'gravitational pull of the moon but the earth bulging crust cannot neaith can an ocean, so the larger mass is weaker???????????? No logic you see behind it and that is why it is taught in school, it is because it is nonsense, you don't really believe that those who control the centre of this universe have any interest in handing you the truth. As the Bible says, God will send 'Strong Delusion".
 
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I never said that EMF was directly responsible for the orbits of planets, I said that EMF is infintely more powerful than gravity. The earth is emitting a massive EM force field which shields it from deadly solar radiation, this can be observed and measured; the Earth is literally a giant magnet.
And the Earth is an extremely weak magnet compared to the EM fields a person is able to create with a couple of coils of wire and a 9 V battery.



Gravity on the other hand is a theoretical proposition that has never been observed,
Jump out of an airplane and then you'll get all the scientific observation you need of gravity.


neither can it be measured
Yes it can, there are devices called gravity meters which can measure it.

, it was so inadequate in explaining anything that it was simply replaced with Einstein's theory of curvature of space and reltivity of time, well either space is flat or it is curved, which one are the Gravitationalists saying is correct?
No one replaced it. Almost every dynamic system used on the earth and close to it today is built and designed based upon this theory of gravity which you call inadequate.
I'd like to see you try and build a jumbo jet without taking gravity into account using your primative 15th centuary school-yard science. Here's some advice - stick to figuring out archimedes principle whilst you play with your rubber duckies in the bath tub and making goo out of cornflour and water. Leave the real science to the experts.

they both cannot be right... either time is fixed and constant or it can speed up and slow down, both cannot be used simultaneously, although modern scientific priests like to claim both systems to work at the same time, which is absurd.
It depends what detail you want to go down to and the assumptions the theories make.
 
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And the Earth is an extremely weak magnet compared to the EM fields a person is able to create with a couple of coils of wire and a 9 V battery.
Correct, I believe that someone has made a superconducter that is 250,000 time stronger than the Earth's own electromagnetic field. nothing changes the fact that a electromagnetic force is infinitely more powerful than the force that you call 'gravitas' (heaviness).


Jump out of an airplane and then you'll get all the scientific observation you need of gravity.

I just told you what would happen, according to your gravity theory I would have to go in the opposite direction towards the sun, because it has a greater mass and the earth is caught within the 'gravitational' pull of a larger body, where is the neutral zone? It cannot be because the the smaller body has already begun it course of attraction it has not the strength to pull out, so Newton's theory is flawed so, we have a replacement, which says it's not Heaviness, it's curvature of space, a dent in space, but as I just explained Einsteins theory eventually fails as well.



No one replaced it. Almost every dynamic system used on the earth and close to it today is built and designed based upon this theory of gravity which you call inadequate.

No one knows what Gravity is or how it works, Newton had no idea, Einstein knew even less.
 
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I just told you what would happen, according to your gravity theory I would have to go in the opposite direction towards the sun, because it has a greater mass and the earth is caught within the 'gravitational' pull of a larger body, where is the neutral zone? It cannot be because the the smaller body has already begun it course of attraction it has not the strength to pull out, so Newton's theory is flawed so, we have a replacement, which says it's not Heaviness, it's curvature of space, a dent in space, but as I just explained Einsteins theory eventually fails as well.
Doesn't distance effect gravity, though? We're so far from the sun that it's pull on us is lower than the earth's
 
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Doesn't distance effect gravity, though? We're so far from the sun that it's pull on us is lower than the earth's
Supposedly, in the their theory, but look at it this way, the theoretical proposition is that the Sun has a much greater mass than the Earth and there for the Earth revolves around the Sun, this same force called gravity is resonsible for holding all the cells of my body together and causing me to fall directly to earth when I jump out of a plane, that is the proposition. Now keep in mind that the force is invisible and no experiment has ever proven that the Earth is moving around the Sun, and no one has ever demonstrated that a larger object causes smaller objects to go into orbit around them all attract them directly, for example an observable test would be to see if birds go into eliptical orbits around mountains, or do flies go into a suspended orbit around buildings, and the answer is no, just like any experiment ever done cannot prove the theory of gravity, that's why it is inadequate, hence, Einstein, curvature of space? does not work either. Can't explain orbit by Mass related to distance and velocity, cannot be proven, so Newton's theory does not work, well it works well in state schools as a gap-filler, or ignorant parents can tell their ignorant children, because people ask nosy questions you see, like why do things fall to earth, now that may get them thinking about Christianity and God and Satan and the Beast system of the world don't want that so the world says 'that's gravity (heaviness)' and children might be moved by the spirit to say 'look how the sun move accross the sky' and the beast sytem will say 'oh no, that not the sun moving, it is the earth that moves around the sun, your eyes decieve you.' and the child will ask, but why do we move around that light in the sky?' and the devil will say 'because the sun is much, much bigger than you and the earth and because of gravity because it is heavier and bigger, the earth moves around the sun, the sun being the centre of the universe'!!!!!! AND RIGHT there, we have sun worship, plain and simple, that's paganism, that is IDOLATRY and that is what it is about and that is what Satan is up to and most will be decieved because they will not BELIEVE IN THE WORD OF GOD!!! Because they are afraid, they afraid of what people will say and think because they love the world and they hate God, and that is what it is all about, it is getting humans to worship and sacrifice to the created and not the creator, and that is what Satan does and he is allowed to do it, he has designed all these false cosmologies, he designed heliocentricity, he designed evolutionary theories, he designed, big-bangism, he designed the crafty lie that stars are distant suns and that they are billions of light years away...you know what that is, that is denying the true word of God, God says that the stars are just lights of reflecting water crystal, he did not say that they were other thermonuclear suns like our own sun, He DID NOT SAY THAT!

If people want to pay the living God lip service and at the same time mock His given system, treat it like it is an unworthy thing, make God a liar and put degenerate lying atheist scientists up in God's rightful place as the giver of all wisdom, than go right ahead, but remember, remember what Jesus said about being a Hypocrite, are christians not being hypocritical and worldly, denouncing God's universe, changing the order that has been established, lying...Bible says that the Earth DOES NOT MOVE! and the sun and moon were made to stand still because they are in motion, and I believe that, and I know that God is right and that the Earth is stationary and what I see with my eyes is correct and Satan is a liar! I know that the sun is smaller than the earth and it rotates around the earth, I know it because I believe in the Bible, and I believe in the power of God and I trust His Word, Did God say? ask yourself that question.
 
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Supposedly, in the their theory, but look at it this way, the theoretical proposition is that the Sun has a much greater mass than the Earth and there for the Earth revolves around the Sun, this same force called gravity is resonsible for holding all the cells of my body together and causing me to fall directly to earth when I jump out of a plane, that is the proposition. Now keep in mind that the force is invisible and no experiment has ever proven that the Earth is moving around the Sun, and no one has ever demonstrated that a larger object causes smaller objects to go into orbit around them all attract them directly, for example an observable test would be to see if birds go into eliptical orbits around mountains, or do flies go into a suspended orbit around buildings, and the answer is no, just like any experiment ever done cannot prove the theory of gravity, that's why it is inadequate, hence, Einstein, curvature of space? does not work either. Can't explain orbit by Mass related to distance and velocity, cannot be proven, so Newton's theory does not work, well it works well in state schools as a gap-filler, or ignorant parents can tell their ignorant children, because people ask nosy questions you see, like why do things fall to earth, now that may get them thinking about Christianity and God and Satan and the Beast system of the world don't want that so the world says 'that's gravity (heaviness)' and children might be moved by the spirit to say 'look how the sun move accross the sky' and the beast sytem will say 'oh no, that not the sun moving, it is the earth that moves around the sun, your eyes decieve you.' and the child will ask, but why do we move around that light in the sky?' and the devil will say 'because the sun is much, much bigger than you and the earth and because of gravity because it is heavier and bigger, the earth moves around the sun, the sun being the centre of the universe'!!!!!! AND RIGHT there, we have sun worship, plain and simple, that's paganism, that is IDOLATRY and that is what it is about and that is what Satan is up to and most will be decieved because they will not BELIEVE IN THE WORD OF GOD!!! Because they are afraid, they afraid of what people will say and think because they love the world and they hate God, and that is what it is all about, it is getting humans to worship and sacrifice to the created and not the creator, and that is what Satan does and he is allowed to do it, he has designed all these false cosmologies, he designed heliocentricity, he designed evolutionary theories, he designed, big-bangism, he designed the crafty lie that stars are distant suns and that they are billions of light years away...you know what that is, that is denying the true word of God, God says that the stars are just lights of reflecting water crystal, he did not say that they were other thermonuclear suns like our own sun, He DID NOT SAY THAT!

If people want to pay the living God lip service and at the same time mock His given system, treat it like it is an unworthy thing, make God a liar and put degenerate lying atheist scientists up in God's rightful place as the giver of all wisdom, than go right ahead, but remember, remember what Jesus said about being a Hypocrite, are christians not being hypocritical and worldly, denouncing God's universe, changing the order that has been established, lying...Bible says that the Earth DOES NOT MOVE! and the sun and moon were made to stand still because they are in motion, and I believe that, and I know that God is right and that the Earth is stationary and what I see with my eyes is correct and Satan is a liar! I know that the sun is smaller than the earth and it rotates around the earth, I know it because I believe in the Bible, and I believe in the power of God and I trust His Word, Did God say? ask yourself that question.
but we did put someone into orbit around the planet before, seems like a good enough test of gravity & our understanding of it. If we based this on something that was wrong, things wouldn't have gone like they should've and did.
 
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Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings." If the Sun is not moving and risng than the Son has not risen.
 
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but we did put someone into orbit around the planet before, seems like a good enough test of gravity & our understanding of it. If we based this on something that was wrong, things wouldn't have gone like they should've and did.
Oh dear me, go back and read the thread again. Have you ever seen star trails? Hove you ever studied the night's sky? the North star? The Earth is the centre of the universe! Space the ether revolves, all of it revolves around the centre of which Earth, this Earth is the centre, that is why outside of Earth's protective atmosphere orbit is found, according to 'gravity' theory, an aluminium can in space must go towards the sun whether under Newtonian or Einsteinian physics, but it does not, because it revolves at the same speed as the ether, space you see revolves, like the stars in the firmanent above revolve, witnessed by their light trails. Gravity does not explain orbit, orbit completely destroys any gravity theory.
 
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Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings." If the Sun is not moving and risng than the Son has not risen.
The sun does move. Just not around the earth...
 
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Oh dear me, go back and read the thread again. Have you ever seen star trails? Hove you ever studied the night's sky? the North star? The Earth is the centre of the universe! Space the ether revolves, all of it revolves around the centre of which Earth, this Earth is the centre, that is why outside of Earth's protective atmosphere orbit is found, according to 'gravity' theory, an aluminium can in space must go towards the sun whether under Newtonian or Einsteinian physics, but it does not, because it revolves at the same speed as the ether, space you see revolves, like the stars in the firmanent above revolve, witnessed by their light trails. Gravity does not explain orbit, orbit completely destroys any gravity theory.
Orbit is entirely based on gravity though...
Ether? What?
 
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