Sabbath: The Lord's Day

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Ellie

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Josh. Paging Josh.

Quit chatting about the Sabbath for a minute and come talk to me. Haha.

I have questions...
 

Ellie

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Is it because I didn't call you Joshee this time??

Pleease Joshee? ee eee?
 

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Very pragmatic! Excellent. I was thinking on the same lines but didn't know how to put it right. God bless you.

This makes very clear that keeping of the Sabbath was meant only for Israel and it was possible for them to follow because all lived in one place and there was no contradiction of time zones.
I'm sure the Pharisees could come up with concerns while living in the land of Israel such as whether or not the sunset was the sunset as viewed at the top of Jerusalem or the sunset as viewed from inside a valley. But God still commanded them to keep it even with all of these concerns. However, I don't believe that there was a need to come up with all of these miniscule laws if people's hearts had been in the right place.

For instance,you could observe the Sabbath from sunset (the moment you fail to see the disc of the sun) to the moment you see the first stars in the sky on the next day. That would be the safest interpretation in my opinion, since we're strictly speaking about forms of observance. Let's look at Job. How did he observe the ritual of sacrifice?

Job 1:5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom.

He didn't just say, "Oh, the heck with it! I don't know everything. I can't properly observe the laws, so that means the laws don't apply to me." lol

And before someone says, "But what about traveling on a jet toward the West after the sun has set and then seeing the sun rise above the horizon again because of the speed of the-" I just want to say that a lot of the laws in the Torah are meant for people living in Israel. We are to obey them as the Gentiles were not supposed to eat blood, not to eat meat from strangled animals, abstain from sexual immorality, love their neighbors and God, abstain from homosexuality, eat the Passover/Communion in a proper manner, tithe, participate in a mikvah/baptism, etc. (All of these come from the Old Testament in some form if not taken directly from it.) But now we can see what the intentions of the old laws were. Now if we have a problem with interpreting one of these laws we just think about the fact that the laws of love sum up the teachings in the Torah.

How should we obey them? In whatever way gives honor and glory to God, in whatever way helps to distance ourselves from evil, in whatever way helps us to love God and Man. I'm not arguing for observation strictly of the letter. I'm arguing for observation of the letter as the spirit leads. One without the other is meaningless. Without the letter we would not know how to please God. And without the knowledge of the spirit of the laws we would have no way to properly obey the letter... as we see with the Pharisees.
 
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Moses's ceremonial laws were done away with what’s that got to do with Gods law.
The ceremonial laws did not stand alone as the covenant. If you don't understand what the covenant from Mount Sinai actually was, then you are bound to error when you read Galatians 4:21-31 until you know what it was.

What was the covenant from Mount Sinai ACCORDING TO scripture?

Read the context of the scripture below and notice that Moses was on Mount Sinai when receiving the tablets of the covenant, which were the 10 commandments.

Deu 9:11 "And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, [that] the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.

No need for me to explain anything here. The scriptures say it all.

Now read Galatians 4:21-31 and take in what it says about the covenant from Mount Sinai now that you understand what it is.
 
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The ceremonial laws did not stand alone as the covenant. If you don't understand what the covenant from Mount Sinai actually was, then you are bound to error when you read Galatians 4:21-31 until you know what it was.

What was the covenant from Mount Sinai ACCORDING TO scripture?

Read the context of the scripture below and notice that Moses was on Mount Sinai when receiving the tablets of the covenant, which were the 10 commandments.

Deu 9:11 "And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, [that] the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.

No need for me to explain anything here. The scriptures say it all.

Now read Galatians 4:21-31 and take in what it says about the covenant from Mount Sinai now that you understand what it is.

The reason why the covenant at Sinai is bondage is not because of the ten commandments but, because of the faulty promises made by Israel at Sinai which they broke with the golden calf
Hebrews 8:6-10
(6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The old covenant made at Sinai Israel promised to do whatever God would tell them which they broke. The new covenant is not made upon faulty promises of man but, upon the sure promises of God.
 
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Loa,

The scriptures say that the covenant is the 10 commandments.

Exd 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

So, now that you understand that the words of the covenant are actually the 10 commandments, read through Galatians 4:21-31 , and learn what you are supposed to do with that covenant from Sinai- the 10 commandments.
 
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The reason why the covenant at Sinai is bondage is not because of the ten commandments but, because of the faulty promises made by Israel at Sinai which they broke with the golden calf
Hebrews 8:6-10
(6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The old covenant made at Sinai Israel promised to do whatever God would tell them which they broke. The new covenant is not made upon faulty promises of man but, upon the sure promises of God.
NO!
the Law as ADDED because of transgressions!

please read this carefully: paul is warning every one of us that the PROMISES were spoken to Abraham long before the Law came! the promises were spoken to Abraham and his SEED - CHRIST.


Galatians 3
The Law and the Promise

15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”g meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christh that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Sons of God

Galatians 4
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

1What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate. 2He is subject to guardians and trustees until the time set by his father. 3So also, when we were children, we were in slavery under the basic principles of the world. 4But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,a Father.” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.



you can not be a child under the Law (no different from a slave) AND (no longer a slave), but a son - meaning now an HEIR. you are one or the other.

you can not inherit the PROMISE by THE LAW.

Galatians 4
Hagar and Sarah

21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:

“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”b

28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”c 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

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how can you not see what this saying?
 
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The law was added to the covenant made to Abraham. The covenant made to Abraham is based on God's promises. The covenant Israel made at Sinai was based upon the faulty promises of Israel.
 
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The law was added to the covenant made to Abraham. The covenant made to Abraham is based on God's promises. The covenant Israel made at Sinai was based upon the faulty promises of Israel.
WHAT?

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christh that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.



Galatians 3
Faith or Observance of the Law

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

6Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”c 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”d 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”e 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”f 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The Law and the Promise

15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”g meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christh that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Sons of God

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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Praise the Lord brother,
The legalists do not understand that we do believe in the Sabbath but not as they want us to believe. They want us to keep the Sabbath just because it is in the decalogue but don't understand why the Lord commanded it, instead they heap up with the Bible verses which are not even relevant to the topic, in their arguments. This is what the Pharisees did because they never understood God's Word instead introduced various laws according to their convenience. They call themselves smart because they quote the verses not realizing that they should not handle the word of God deceitfully. They don't understand that we serve the law of God with the mind but with the flesh the law of sin and we don't walk according to flesh but according to the Spirit, for if we walk in flesh (that is observing the Sabbath in flesh) then we serve the law of sin. They show so many verses from the Bible but not one verse, Paul telling the gentiles to observe the Sabbath straight away, while Paul commands not to kill, commit adultery, steal, witness falsely and other commands of the decalogue.
You worship another Jesus it's that simple

2 Corinthians 11:4 (KJV)
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him .

Listen to the words of Jesus

Luke 24:25 (KJV)
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
 
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I remember you. I watched pastor Buie I believe on tv. Learned alot, but even he has a veil over his heart. The man picking sticks was stoned WITHOUT THE CAMP, as also Jesus SUFFERED WITHOUT THE GATE. You see as those who are least in the kingdom are the ones burning in the lake of fire. But Jesus said of all who were born to women, none is greater than John the baptist. BUT THOSE THAT ARE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM ARE GREATER THAN HIM!

And remember we also die as a sinner.
The man broke the commandments he polluted the sabbath by not keeping it holy
The Lord gave the command to kill him.

As far as the pastor is concerned he know more than any teacher teaching God's word
If you think you know some one we are up to the challenge
 
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Yeah, it's just that the laws He wrote on our hearts and minds are not the 10 commandments. He wrote the laws of the new covenant on our hearts and minds, not the laws of the old covenant (Galatians 4:21-31).
Who told you this ?

The same laws he gave israel in the OC is the same laws in the NC

What does Galatians 4 have to do with the sabbath an commandments
OC and NC?


Go back and read the NC he kept the same laws and made the covenant with the same people
 
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I don't think these Sunday worshippers know what sin is?

Let's look at the definition of sin

What is sin?

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Now Sunday worshippers what law is John speaking of?
 
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Sabbath keepers

The Sunday worshippers don't understand that there was no NT around when Jesus the disciples and Paul walked the earth

The sabbath did not and could not he change until the NT was written and when the RCC come on the scene

Sabbath keepers the people who believed on Jesus kept the sabbath day until the RCC used Constantine to change it

Sabbath keepers there was no NT

This is why there is no writings from the apostles or Jesus concerning 1st day worship

There is not one verse that support it.

Jesus called it

Matthew 15:9 (KJV)
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Any day outside of the 7th day sabbath is vanity

1st day as God's holy day is the tradition of man

The 1st day worship is from man
 
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There is not one verse that tell is to keep the 1st day of te week holy

There is not one verse that says God sanctified, blessed and rested on the first day
 
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Long after Jesus death and resurrection

Paul told is that the doers of the law will be justified


Romans 2:13 (KJV)
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Do the law people

The law is
The sabbath
The feast days
The circumcision
The commandments
The dietary laws

James said long after Jesus death and resurrection to be doers of the word

The commandments are the word of God

We are to live by every word of God

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

If we live by the words of Jesus we are doing the words of Jesus
 
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Some here say that the sabbath was not kept in Genesis

They are wrong

Let's read

Genesis 26:5 (KJV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Abraham kept the commandments, included in the commandments is what ?

The sabbath day

These people think the sabbath started with Israel

The sabbath was around before man was created
 
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Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jesus is the same concerning the sabbath

Watch

Yesterday

Genesis 2:2-3 (KJV)
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Yesterday

Exodus 20:8 (KJV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Yesterday

Luke 4:16 (KJV)
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Today

Main Entry: Sat·ur·day
Pronunciation: \ˈsa-tər-(ˌ)dā, -dē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English saterday, from Old English sæterndæg (akin to Old Frisian sāterdei), from Latin Saturnus Saturn + Old English dæg day
Date: before 12th century
: the seventh day of the week
— Sat·ur·days \-dēz, -(ˌ)dāz\ adverb

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Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Remember the sabbath is in the commandments