Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[ozell]

i do.
your nonsense isn't in it.
perhaps you should be circumcised and celebrate purim.
perhaps The Lord will mistake you for a jew, and....oh. right.

unless they repent of their dead works and are born again by faith in Christ they're not inheriting the kingdom.

but in the meantime you can act cool and religious and say to God "I have kept all the commandments since my youth. I lack nothing"

i wonder what He'll say?

goodbye.

You all error not knowing the bible

Ots foolish to think that God covenant are done away with

Let's read

Long after Jesus death an resurrection the commandment and sabbath days are kept, people continued to sin
Like we all do

So this being the case the laws of God did not end on the cross

For we read

1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Guess what you all

When you break God's laws we have our advocate Jesus

It's obvious you all never read this verse

 

[ozell]

you follow Moses.
and you rely on a Covenant that no longer exists.
good luck with that.

CURSED! you think you equal JESUS????

Romans 3 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Acts 13 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

James 2 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3 10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

C

Show me the 1 law Moses made ? He made 1 law

Now

Tell me if you break these laws from God

Steal
Lie
Kill
Commit adultery
Dishonor your parents
We know you don't keep the sabbath
Covet
Take God's name in vain
Have other Gods before Jesus

You and those who follow you have a problem with this?

 

[ozell]

you follow Moses.
and you rely on a Covenant that no longer exists.
good luck with that.

CURSED! you think you equal JESUS????

Romans 3 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Acts 13 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

James 2 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3 10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Job's comforters were best at what you are doing and you know the result: not that they had said anything wrong but they passed their wrong judgment on a wrong person at a wrong time. Your judgment won't deter me from defending the faith that I've received from my God through my Lord Jesus Christ by His Spirit, confirmed in His word (the KJV Bible). My only fear is that you are judging your brother (because you called me so, or you didn't really mean it) before the final judgment of our Lord Jesus Christ before whom we all must stand to give account of our deeds; whether good or evil.
You don't know me nor my life which is hidden in Christ Jesus. You don't have anything to defend except these judgmental words which pertain to God alone.
But I'll pray for you and I am sure you'll do the same for me. God bless you and your family with abundant life and peace.

ps: please remember the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God

A

All I'm doing is putting the scriptures

God's word is convicting you

Not me

I don't have a problem with keeping God's words
I don't have a problem obeying his voice

You do

 

[ozell]

The Bible told me this. Galatians 4 has everything to do with the 10 commandments.

The scriptures show that the covenant from Sinai is the 10 commandments.

Exd 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

That's pretty significant when the New Covenant says to throw out the covenant from Sinai (Galatians 4:21-31)

Jesus kept and taught the OC, while establishing the NC. You don't know the difference between the OC and NC according to scripture, which is why Galatians 4 is so confusing for you.

Where in Galatians 4?

Put the verses?

Show me the difference in the OC and NC

The 10 is a covenant

I can show you more covenant from God

 

[ozell]

Where in Galatians 4 is Paul speaking about the commandments

Verse 21 to 31 has nothing to do with the commandments


Galatians 4:21-31 (KJV)
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Where is the commandments?

 

[ozell]

Long after Jesus death and resurrection we are commanded not to sin and if we sin we have a way to forgiveness

We know sin is breaking God commandments

People are still sinning, even willfully

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

We have people who commit sin willfully and dispise Moses


Hebrews 10:26-28 (KJV)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

We have people who willfully break the sabbath day

But we who keep the sabbath and commandments if we slip up and sin we have a advocate


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

John and Paul talks about the commandments long after Jesus death and resurrection

The sabbath is in the commandments this lets you know that these people have no understanding

Sin = commandments
Commandments = sin

 

[ozell]

Here is a covenant from God is OT done away with

Genesis 9:12-16 (KJV)
And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: [13] I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. [14] And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: [15] And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. [16] And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.


Not!

 

[ozell]

Wait a minute here is another covenant by God

Genesis 15:18 (KJV)
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Is it done away with?

Not!

 

[ozell]

Here is another one

Genesis 17:4 (KJV)
As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Look people we are still in Genesis and the God has made at least 3 covenant already


Do you get my point?

What covenant did Jesus make anew?

Keep in mind we have not gotten to te 10 made with Israel

 

[ozell]

These covenant are never talked about im the churches nowadays

Look at this one

I know you all have a problem with this one

Genesis 17:10-14 (KJV)
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. [11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. [12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. [13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. [14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

If you have a problem with it so what

It's still God's covenant no matter how emotional you get

Guess what it includes all people

 

[ozell]

Here is the covenant in question the on that was written on stone as someone mentioned in a earlier post

Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

People look very carefully to what God said about Abraham concerning these commandments written after Abraham

Genesis 26:5 (KJV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Abraham kept these laws that were written on stone

In other words people abraham kept the sabbath day

Guess what people it can be done the sabbath and commandments can be kept

God said it!

It can be done

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

These covenant are never talked about im the churches nowadays

Look at this one

I know you all have a problem with this one

Genesis 17:10-14 (KJV)
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. [11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. [12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. [13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. [14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

If you have a problem with it so what

It's still God's covenant no matter how emotional you get

Guess what it includes all people

So, you are saying that all men who desire to follow God are to be circumcised in their flesh just as God commanded in this scripture?

This covenant is still valid and is still supposed to be observed?

 

[Abishai]

A

All I'm doing is putting the scriptures

God's word is convicting you

Not me

I don't have a problem with keeping God's words
I don't have a problem obeying his voice

You do

As I said, many can quote scriptures and you are doing well and also I am sure you know that even satan was good at that. But that doesn't make you righteous enough to say that I am serving another Jesus.

God's word and His Spirit convicts a man, not you but you are accusing someone, that is what again satan does. He is the accuser of the brethren day and night.

What we are discussing is not whether we should keep God's word and commandment but what is God's word and His commandment. You should know the difference before blaming me.

If I wanted to accuse you then, I could have said, you don't accept the sacrifice of the Blood of Jesus, with which He has written the New Covenant into our hearts. The new covenant is not on a stone but in the heart of flesh. We are led by the Spirit and not by the letter for the letter kills.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The law is for the unrighteous. But I am righteous through the blood of Jesus Christ and I don't need the law.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

We are not the children of Moses (law) but we are the children of Abraham (faith) to whom the promise was given even before the law was introduced. Was not Abraham a sinner like us as the Bible says 'there is none righteous, no not one'? How could Abraham be a sinner when there was no law; because according to you only if we transgress against the law then we are sinners? If you hate your brother are you not sinning while this command is not found in the decalogue?

As for Sabbath, show me one direct verse which says that, before Moses, Sabbath day was observed and show me one direct verse in the NT where the gentiles without Jews, observed Sabbath.

Please don't quote vague verses about laws and commandments in which you escape saying this is moral law and this is a ceremonial law, according to your convenience. Show me specific verses which says that we should keep the Sabbath.

I don't have to show you the rest of the 9 commandments in the NT both to the gentiles and to the Jews. The way you have made keeping of the Sabbath so necessary, then why is it not directly mentioned in the NT to the gentiles, to whom this commandment would be so imperative as they were Gentiles and would not have known about this command?

 

[JaumeJ]

Ozell,

Brother it seems to me your name should be Job. Yahweh bless you and hold you close always, may He fortify you with His Spirit and increase your wisdom always, amen.

 

[Abishai]

Here is the covenant in question the on that was written on stone as someone mentioned in a earlier post

Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

People look very carefully to what God said about Abraham concerning these commandments written after Abraham

Genesis 26:5 (KJV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Abraham kept these laws that were written on stone

In other words people abraham kept the sabbath day

Guess what people it can be done the sabbath and commandments can be kept

God said it!

It can be done

So do you mean to say that Abraham kept all the ceremonial laws also without the temple? Was he born again without the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Did he love his enemy as himself? Did he go preaching the gospel of Jesus and then baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost?

 

[Abishai]

Wait a minute here is another covenant by God

Genesis 15:18 (KJV)
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Is it done away with?

Not!

Is that land from the the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates for us?

Wow, I am rich, then what am I doing here in a 2 bedroom house, in a small town in India?
Come on, buy me a ticket for (which is the best city in Israel right now?)!!!! Lol

 

[Abishai]

Long after Jesus death and resurrection we are commanded not to sin and if we sin we have a way to forgiveness

We know sin is breaking God commandments

People are still sinning, even willfully

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

We have people who commit sin willfully and dispise Moses


Hebrews 10:26-28 (KJV)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

We have people who willfully break the sabbath day

But we who keep the sabbath and commandments if we slip up and sin we have a advocate


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

John and Paul talks about the commandments long after Jesus death and resurrection

The sabbath is in the commandments this lets you know that these people have no understanding

Sin = commandments
Commandments = sin

King David sinned in committing adultery and getting an innocent man murdered, did he not? So why was he not judged? His child died at birth but what about David? Because the law is not complete without judgment. What importance does a law have if there is no payment for breaking it? Which advocate did David have?

What law/commandments did the people of Sodom and Gomorrah have that they were called sinners before God?
Sin is equal to commandments and commandments is equal to sin??????????

 

[JaumeJ]

King David sinned in committing adultery and getting an innocent man murdered, did he not? So why was he not judged? His child died at birth but what about David? Because the law is not complete without judgment. What importance does a law have if there is no payment for breaking it? Which advocate did David have?

What law/commandments did the people of Sodom and Gomorrah have that they were called sinners before God?
Sin is equal to commandments and commandments is equal to sin??????????

When we read the Word as the One Word of Yahweh, then we understand more. No one understands all. Now with this in mind, reading Psalms 51 and 32 will enlighten you on your questions. There is much more scripture on the grace of Yahweh in the Old Testament. His grace is new every morning. There is also the constant mention of confessing our sins to Yahweh, and He does forgive. Turning back to Yahweh is a constant refrain in the Torah of Yahweh, Yeshua. One should never let one's own knowledge interfere with the wisdom afforded by the Word of Yahweh; it will certainly lead to destruction. Follow the wisdom of the Word for no man is inherently in a position to advise Yahweh, or His children.

 

[Abishai]

When we read the Word as the One Word of Yahweh, then we understand more. No one understands all. Now with this in mind, reading Psalms 51 and 32 will enlighten you on your questions. There is much more scripture on the grace of Yahweh in the Old Testament. His grace is new every morning. There is also the constant mention of confessing our sins to Yahweh, and He does forgive. Turning back to Yahweh is a constant refrain in the Torah of Yahweh, Yeshua. One should never let one's own knowledge interfere with the wisdom afforded by the Word of Yahweh; it will certainly lead to destruction. Follow the wisdom of the Word for no man is inherently in a position to advise Yahweh, or His children.

You should do a lot of home work before replying and especially to me. Now with that in mind, you should also know what I've written was not out of my mind. Why was Esau not forgiven though he sought it with tears. The point here is the Lord did not impute sins on David though he broke the law because He'll have mercy on whom He'll have. So you should never be wise in your own conceit.
The last sentence applies to you as well because you are advising me. So before correcting others, I urge you to correct yourself first.

 

[JaumeJ]

You should do a lot of home work before replying and especially to me. Now with that in mind, you should also know what I've written was not out of my mind. Why was Esau not forgiven though he sought it with tears. The point here is the Lord did not impute sins on David though he broke the law because He'll have mercy on whom He'll have. So you should never be wise in your own conceit.
The last sentence applies to you as well because you are advising me. So before correcting others, I urge you to correct yourself first.

In your post, one of your first, you made reference to Revelation in such a convoluted manner, that it was unrecognizable. It was only later that night while thinking on my pillow did I realize you were referring to God being the light with no need for sun or moon. You had said in regard to the story on creation that the seventh day had no morning and evening, which makes no sense at all since Yahweh, God, had already outlined the other six and refered to the Sabbath as A DAY.


When I came back to ask you if this is what you were attempting to share, you told me yes, and that you had said it to make me and others meditate on it. It is a matter of fact that before you were born, I had known this. Your manner of secreting what you say in order to make it seem profound does not deceive me in the least.


Now, you are either another humble brother in Yeshua, Christ, or you are a teacher sent to teach us all, however because of the technique, I honestly do not believe the latter. It would be a simple matter to cloak the Word in some new convoluted language, but the Lord spoke simply most of the time, and so do His children when sharing truth. It really is easy to speak in simple terms to family.