Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[ozell]

Your presumptions have distorted your perceptions.
How did you presume that I didn't know Psalms 51?
I should guess then you don't remember Romans 9:11-13. My question is why did the Lord chose Jacob over Esau before they were born. Did they sin against the law? Because you say sin is transgression of the law.
You have all mumbo jumbo. You infer that we should circumcise and all that stuff which the Lord already wiped it off. It is you who is not following the Bible. Just by picking unrelevant Bible verses and putting them here will not make you the follower of the Bible. You need to understand, why the words are the in the first place. Without understanding you cannot follow Him.

With the same analogy, no one told David to commit adultery, why should the Lord forgive him?
Don't you see, the Lord will have mercy on whom He will have mercy?

I don't have problem but you have problem of showing me one direct verse in the NT where the gentiles were told to keep the Sabbath, because it isn't there and you don't accept that.

I did Here we go again

Acts 13:42-44 (KJV)
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. [43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. [44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

The Gentiles besought Paul to preach the next sabbath


Not Sunday, not the 1st day of the week
The next sabbath

 

[ozell]

What are sins that are past if Jesus in fact did take away the sins of the world. ALL SINS ARE PAST, being in Christ, crucifying the flesh or putting off the old man; the man of sin, ALL THINGS HAVE BECOME NEW.

God did this in His forbearance, as in the meaning of God choosing Jacob over Esau before either was born, BOTH having done neither good nor evil so that the purpose of election may stand NOT of works (good OR evil), but of Him who calls us to be.

God has indeed chosen Jacob, but is it not evident in scripture that Jacob did evil before the Lord? Likewise is it not also evident within those very same scriptures that Esau did good before the Lord as well?

Beloved. You are blinded by your own pride. I ask you, and be honest with your own conscience.

Is it a good thing to worship God on any day of the week?

Beloved I'm reading the bible and all sin have not pass because people still sin

When you pray God do you ask God for forgiveness? Or are you begging for something you don't need ?

Let's see who has pride?


You confuse pride with knowledge

 

[ozell]

Amen brother. If a man is born of the Spirit, he will understand spiritual things else he'll keep trying to justify himself through earthly means

Are you and C spirits now or when you wrote your post?

Am I posting to a spirit of a flesh and blood person?

Let's see one of you do something spiritual?

Come to this location from where you at surely you are spiritual enough to go through closed doors as Jesus did?

I'm here at work I got another hour let's go spiritual brothers

You guys can't figure out what day to worship on and it's written in the bible you claim
To read

 

[ozell]

Have they hardened their hearts so much that seeing they may not see, hearing they may not hear? They are so bent on living in shadows while the real thing has already begun to show up since the Lord was crucified. Not only they live in shadows but also they want others to live like them. They keep adoring the blue print without even seeing the building itself. Sad.

We can read where God commanded circumcision yet those verses don't say not to get circumcision

What we have here is a person who don't understand the law of animal sacrifice

What we have here is a person and friends who don't understand Galatians and Hebrews 10

 

[ozell]

A and C

Your forefathers told Paul to teach them on the sabbath day

Let's read it again

Acts 13:42-45 (KJV)
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. [43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. [44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. [45] But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.


Its in the NT

It's not going away

Shall I put it again

Go and tell your teachers and friends that there forefathers kept
The sabbath

 

[angelofmercy]

Beloved I'm reading the bible and all sin have not pass because people still sin

When you pray God do you ask God for forgiveness? Or are you begging for something you don't need ?

Let's see who has pride?


You confuse pride with knowledge

Sin is only in children of the flesh. But those who are in Christ have passed from death to life.

Now I ask again, whether of your pride or your knowledge; is it good thing to worship God on any day of the week?

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

We can read where God made a covenant of circumcision
We read that no man uncircumcised in the flesh will not come near him when he returns

Show me scriptures or verses where that covenant is rescinded by the Lord

One scripture

Keep in mind God don't break his covenants

I gave you 3 scriptures on the matter.

Besides believing that every man who desires eternal life must be circumcised in their flesh, apparently you also believe that animal sacrifices by a levitical priest will atone for sin as well. Gotta love the 7th month on the 10th day, ya? What a special day for the Jews where their sins can be atoned for without Jesus.

Are you actually a Jew that practices the Mosaic law that hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and are trying to distort the teachings of the New Covenant that God provided through Jesus Christ?

 

[Abishai]

I did Here we go again

Acts 13:42-44 (KJV)
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. [43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. [44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

The Gentiles besought Paul to preach the next sabbath


Not Sunday, not the 1st day of the week
The next sabbath

With all due respect, either you don't understand my question or you are just trying avoid it by showing again vague verses.

First thing is that the Synagogue belongs to the Jews and NOT to the Gentiles, so it is the Jews who decided to meet during the Sabbaths. The gentiles had no option but to come on Sabbath if they wanted to hear about the God of the Jews. If I ask you to meet me on Sunday to discuss about the word of God, does it mean that you have kept the Sabbath on Sunday? That is how you are trying to interpret the quoted verse. Paul and Barnabas were again supposed to meet on the following Sabbath and that's it. There is no mention of keeping of Sabbath here.

My question: ONE VERSE OF DIRECT INSTRUCTION for keeping sabbath in the NT TO THE GENTILES please......

 

[Abishai]

A and C

Your forefathers told Paul to teach them on the sabbath day

Let's read it again

Acts 13:42-45 (KJV)
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. [43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. [44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. [45] But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.


Its in the NT

It's not going away

Shall I put it again

Go and tell your teachers and friends that there forefathers kept
The sabbath

You need to read it again and again and again. Go word by word in these verses and tell me which sentences tell you to keep the sabbath.
If gathering together to pray on a certain day means a sabbath day to you, then lo here we are, we gather together everyday and if sabbath is everyday for us, then so be it, AMEN

No matter how many times you put, it will still show that you have put irrelevant verse there which does not show that the gentiles kept the sabbath exclusively. You will find sabbath in the NT when it pertains to the Jews.

 

[Abishai]

Are you actually a Jew that practices the Mosaic law that hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and are trying to distort the teachings of the New Covenant that God provided through Jesus Christ?

Exactly. This is what I feel about Ozell. I guess he is a Jew and not a Christian.

 

[Abishai]

Are you and C spirits now or when you wrote your post?

Am I posting to a spirit of a flesh and blood person?

Let's see one of you do something spiritual?

Come to this location from where you at surely you are spiritual enough to go through closed doors as Jesus did?

I'm here at work I got another hour let's go spiritual brothers

You guys can't figure out what day to worship on and it's written in the bible you claim
To read

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Who is this scripture talking about?

Ishmael - born after the flesh, Isaac - born after the Spirit

Was Isaac spirit then? Did Isaac walk through closed doors?

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Were these Galatians spirits? Was Paul talking to the spirits? Were these Galatians walking through closed doors?

You are making me to laugh. Lol

I am sorry to say this but you have a very strange doctrine.

 

[GV]

days in the Bible begin and end in the evening. in Genesis, the evening and the morning werethe first day. the seventh day is the Lords Sabbath, but when the ressurrection happened as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, the Sabbath had ended the evening before. Jesus rose on Sunday morning. thats why the christians in Acts met on the first day of the week and called it the Lords Day to celebrate the ressurrection. the Sabbath Day and the Lords Day are 2 different days, but nowhere in the Bible does it say not to honor the Sabbath. Jesus picked and ate corn on the Sabbath which was against the "rules", but he said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It also says not to let anyone judge you in days or meats. I think it is a good conclusion to rest up on the Sabbath to be ready for worship on the Lords Day.

 

[chariot72]

this is old covenant. we dont sacrifice anymore. imposing old covenant on people contradicts romans 14:5,6. One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. (...)
dont judge your brother.

 

[DABEARS8519]

We worship on Sunday for one simple reason. It made it easier for pagans to accept it in ancient times. It also stopped them from worshiping false gods on Sunday. Let's not forget, the whole process of Christmas with giving gifts and such comes from winter solstice, another pagan holiday. Jesus wasn't born in December. Let's also not forget, the current calendar is incorrect. We are not in 2012, but years ahead. You can name off any number of things that are wrong, but does it truly matter, if you are worshiping God for the right reasons? No.

 

[clarkthompson]

the bible also teaches that I am a believer my own rest is in Christ

 

[JaumeJ]

the bible also teaches that I am a believer my own rest is in Christ

True, however does this give you rest from your labors? The Sabbath is a day to spend with God, Yahweh, as we see fit for ourselves, as explained by Paul. However you observe the Sabbath with good conscience is obeying the commandment.

 

[cenallen]

Amen brother. If a man is born of the Spirit, he will understand spiritual things else he'll keep trying to justify himself through earthly means

and rise, and be condemned - if he doesn't repent of those dead works.

 

[cenallen]

I gave you 3 scriptures on the matter.

Besides believing that every man who desires eternal life must be circumcised in their flesh, apparently you also believe that animal sacrifices by a levitical priest will atone for sin as well. Gotta love the 7th month on the 10th day, ya? What a special day for the Jews where their sins can be atoned for without Jesus.

Are you actually a Jew that practices the Mosaic law that hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and are trying to distort the teachings of the New Covenant that God provided through Jesus Christ?

truth, Spiritual_Plague;
continue to preach that of primary importance.
these Lawyers will answer on that day. despising the Holy Covenant in Christ's blood.
justifying themsleves through the weak and beggarly elements God use to teach childish rebellious israel.
yet the chaps want to be THOSE jews!
how telling.

 

[cenallen]

With all due respect, either you don't understand my question or you are just trying avoid it by showing again vague verses.

First thing is that the Synagogue belongs to the Jews and NOT to the Gentiles, so it is the Jews who decided to meet during the Sabbaths. The gentiles had no option but to come on Sabbath if they wanted to hear about the God of the Jews. If I ask you to meet me on Sunday to discuss about the word of God, does it mean that you have kept the Sabbath on Sunday? That is how you are trying to interpret the quoted verse. Paul and Barnabas were again supposed to meet on the following Sabbath and that's it. There is no mention of keeping of Sabbath here.

My question: ONE VERSE OF DIRECT INSTRUCTION for keeping sabbath in the NT TO THE GENTILES please......

my beloved brother Abishai....amen.
if we lived nearby i would invite you to break bread with me and be joyous in Our Lord.
perhaps one day.

you see how they can not and will not answer that simple question.
they've staked everything on it.
were paul here he would again utter - 'i wish they'd just emasculate themselves then, if circumcision is what they want"!!
LOL

 

[cenallen]

Exactly. This is what I feel about Ozell. I guess he is a Jew and not a Christian.

no, he THINKS he is a jew (because he heard some black liberation theology which told him he was...).
as if being a flesh jew helps in any way regardless.
what a sorry condition.