Whats your eschatology?

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Your View!

  • Preterist Amillenial

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Preterist Postmillennial

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Partial-preterist Amillennial

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • Partial-preterist Postmillennial

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Historic Premillennialism

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Historic Dispensational Premillennialism

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Historic Optimistic Premillennialism

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Futuristic Premillennialism

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Futuristic Postmillennialism

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Idealist

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    13
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There's been a lot of talk about eschatology lately. What are your views? If you don't know what one of the terms means in the poll, you may want to look it up first... I've tried to cover all the major eschatological views. Umm. Maybe I'll try to find a list of major preachers this day and age and what they believe too...
 
So in case you are wondering what the words before the 'millenium' words mean, they are simply the approach you go towards your views of eschatology. Eschatology is not always about the 'millennial, dispensational, etc' part of it, though usually thats all anyone ever talks about.

For instance, a Preterist and a partial-preterist looks to see how prophecy has already been fulfilled, where as a historicist would look to see what's been fulfilled and what needs to be fulfilled, and a futurist looks to see how everything will be fulfilled. Now its not that a preterist doesn't care about the future, its just that they would say that everything has already been fulfilled. Same with a futurist, they would say that nothing has been fulfilled, but they still care about the past.
 
DA Carson - Postmillenial or Amillenial
Michael Horton - Amill
Mark Dever - Amill
Daniel Chew - Postmill
Ken Silva -Premill
Dan Smedra - dispen
Miles J Stanford - dispen
Renald E Showers - Dispen
Chuck Smith - Dispen
Warren C Smith - Amill
Sam Waldron - Partial Preterist Amill
RC Sproul Jr - Partial Preterist Amill
Kim Riddlebarger - Amill
Rico Tice - Amill
 
There are some major theologians and their views on the millennium and in some cases their approach to eschatology.
 
I'm not sure if it would be accurate to place the word "historic" before "dispensational premillennialism" seeing as Dispensationalism is less than 300 years old. In fact, that's the reason why Historic Premilennialism uses the term "historic" because the two are in deed very different and Historic Premillennialism predates Dispensationalism by roughly 1700 years.

Would you mind explaining why you chose to call it Historic Dispensationalism? As someone who once abandoned Premillennial Dispensationalism for Historic Premillennialism, I personally do not see the connection so I'm wondering if you might possibly be aware of certain facts that I may not.

However, if by chance you need someone to explain the differences, I'll be more than happy to. :)
 
Crossfire said:
I'm not sure if it would be accurate to place the word "historic" before "dispensational premillennialism" seeing as Dispensationalism is less than 300 years old. In fact, that's the reason why Historic Premilennialism uses the term "historic" because the two are in deed very different and Historic Premillennialism predates Dispensationalism by roughly 1700 years.

Would you mind explaining why you chose to call it Historic Dispensationalism? As someone who once abandoned Premillennial Dispensationalism for Historic Premillennialism, I personally do not see the connection so I'm wondering if you might possibly be aware of certain facts that I may not.

However, if by chance you need someone to explain the differences, I'll be more than happy to. :)
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I was wondering if people would understand that or not.

Really there should be.. Historic Dispensational Premillennialism and Historic Historic Premillennialism. In both of these views they take a "Historic" approach. So historic premillennialism should be called historic historic and dispensational historic dispensational haha. Now isn't that confusing lol.

So in essence, there are four terms that describe the approach to studying eschatology... Historic, Preterism, futurism, and idealism. That is actually the largest chunk of eschatology but the portion people know the least about.

The part that people know the most about is the portion of eschatology relating to the millenium. IE dispensationalism, amillennialism, etc. So when I say historic dispensationalism I am saying a Historic Approach to Dispensational Pre-millennialism. Which is simply known as dispensationalism today.
 
Partial preterist and preterist are the same thing.

Hyper-preterists have tried to own the word preterist. They're not preterists. They're hyper-preterists.
 
Eschotology can be a tricky thing. It's really hard to say with all certainty what has been fulfilled, what has not been fulfilled and what prophesy should be taken literally and which should be viewed alogorically.

One could argue all day that a prophesy was fulfilled at a certain time or in a certain way in the past however, no one can deny that God has used types and shadows to point toward some future fulfillment of certain prophetic events. Taking this into consideration, how can we know with all certainty that a prophecy was in deed fulfilled in the past rather than the incident in question possibly being a foreshadow of things yet to come?

I believe this is why we must approach the scriptures from a literal standpoint, understanding that while a certain event may look like the fulfillment, if every detail is not addressed then it is quite possible that you are dealing with foreshadow of things yet to come.
 
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me I try to stay away from anything scientist say about God and just believe the Bible and what it says is going to happen.
 
The bible says truth. If it confuses a christian, than the christian is focusing on the wrong part to begin with.
 
simplyme_bekah said:
what does theology have to do with eschatology. I am confused.
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A lot, if you think the world is going back to types and shadows of the Old Covenant, then the rest of your biblical interpretation will be tainted with that view, which leads to error, and in some cases it has eternal consequences, example the Mormons and JWs.
 
Bookends said:
A lot, if you think the world is going back to types and shadows of the Old Covenant, then the rest of your biblical interpretation will be tainted with that view, which leads to error, and in some cases it has eternal consequences, example the Mormons and JWs.
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Going back? Who's to say it ever stopped? Scripture is littered with cycles and seasons. I can point to a cycle that began in the book of Judges which continues on to this day in the modern church.

Besides, the escholotogy of both Jehovas Witnesses and Mormons are roughly Amillennial in nature thus your statement doesn't make sense. You may want to provide examples to prove your point.
 
crossfire again your showing how little you really study. Saying JW and Mormon eschatology is roughly Amillennial...well...hmmm...your totally unbelievable.
I understand you have heartburn over Amil.....but get a grip. This just makes you lose credibility.

There is no similarity between JW and Mormon eschatology and Amillennalism. In fact both are millennial, and from the outerlimits.
 
Crossfire said:
Going back? Who's to say it ever stopped? Scripture is littered with cycles and seasons. I can point to a cycle that began in the book of Judges which continues on to this day in the modern church.

Besides, the escholotogy of both Jehovas Witnesses and Mormons are roughly Amillennial in nature thus your statement doesn't make sense. You may want to provide examples to prove your point.
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BTW - Bookends, I want to let you know that I wasn't being argumentative. I simply didn't see how your comment concerning foreshadows related to JW's & Mormons seeing they believe similarly to Amillennials and the idea that most prophecy had been fulfilled in the past. Thus, I was requesting examples seeing as I didn't see the connection. :)
 
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