Where is America in Bible Prophecy?

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Deadtosin said:
I don't. I hope I am wrong. But I know what took place. There is no doubt about what happened that night. It was a back and forth communication, which manifested results in the physical world flawlessly till all was complete. To deny it would be folly. I have had many similar experiences regarding God, demons and the devil. I am aware it sounds absurd but I am a prisoner to my calling. Take care and God bless.
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Have no fear,
Romans 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. Live in Christ's victory, Christ is our only sustenance. Do not trust in your own understanding.
 
some believe that we join the EU and we are a part of the UN I think we will fall in debt so much that we are not a factor or we will be ran by another country before hand or we will be to poor to fight in the last war
 
I don't believe America is taken Israel’s Place. A lot of biblical scholars believe the anti-Christ will come out of a revived Roman empire. I'm asking are we part of the revived Romans Empire?

See I can't put it all together but the Anti-Christ is going to make a 7 year peace agreement with / for Israel. Then 3 1/2 years into He sits in the rebuilt temple and claims to be god. This starts world war 3.

So the anti-christ defends Israel, where he defeats Russia, Iran, and a group of muslim nations.
Then China and the kings from the east march across a dried up Euphrates River for the biggest war in history.

After this war the anti-christ gathers everyone for war with with Jesus at his return with the saints.

They really believe they are going to defeat Jesus.

So is all of America weapons going to go to the EU for the anti-christ aid to fight all the wars?

If so does that mean the anti-christ can come from America ??
 
clark -- thank you -- That's what I've been trying to get at, but what about our weapons ?? America may / is going to fall, but what about our weapons and can the Anti-christ come from here?
 
moment_of_faith said:
I don't believe America is taken Israel’s Place. A lot of biblical scholars believe the anti-Christ will come out of a revived Roman empire. I'm asking are we part of the revived Romans Empire?

See I can't put it all together but the Anti-Christ is going to make a 7 year peace agreement with / for Israel. Then 3 1/2 years into He sits in the rebuilt temple and claims to be god. This starts world war 3.

So the anti-christ defends Israel, where he defeats Russia, Iran, and a group of muslim nations.
Then China and the kings from the east march across a dried up Euphrates River for the biggest war in history.

After this war the anti-christ gathers everyone for war with with Jesus at his return with the saints.

They really believe they are going to defeat Jesus.

So is all of America weapons going to go to the EU for the anti-christ aid to fight all the wars?

If so does that mean the anti-christ can come from America ??
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Moment, what I find so interesting about the study of revelation, is that if all of this has been written down, then when it starts to take place, people will flock to the church in droves. How would this be conductive to satan's plan? That's what I don't understand about future revelation. If all this starts happening, people will have no choice but to believe in the prophecies of the bible. That's why I believe if future interpretation of revelation is true, then the anti-christ will not be a man at all, and will not reveal himself as such. He will take on a supernatural form from the start.

Anyway, I think very few would be left that would refuse to recognize it because it's been made clear through churches, movies, novels, etc., what is supposed to happen. That's why I tend to lean toward the allusion for the time it was written. I didn't at fist, but somebody had a thread on here about the harlot and it made A LOT of sense. I still dunno which side to pick as far as revelation interpretation goes. I just know we need to keep an eye out for Christ's return and be ready either way.
 
These people know that just will not repent of their deeds. The devil knows what he has done but refuses to repent. pride goeth before the fall

Revelation 6:15 Then everyone—the kings of the earth, the rulers, the generals, the wealthy, the powerful, and every slave and free person—all hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they cried to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to survive?”
 
Some believe that the U.S. and U.K. are the fulfillment of the Prophesies given by Jacob at death (Gen49), which concerns the LAST DAYS; particularly the prophesy on Joseph, who is the father of Menasseh and Ephraim, where Menasseh, who is the elder brother, is the head of Joseph and he became the U.S., and where Ephrain became the U.K.. In Gen 48 we learn that Menasseh shall become a single, great nation (the U.S), but
Ephraim was to become many nations, such as the British Empire has done.

The Prophesy in GEN 49 perfectly describes the U.S. and the U.K.; for both are somewhat strategically located (surrounded by waters), militarily strong, and economically blessed.

Believe what you wish, but i believe the Promises the LORD gave Abraham, that from his loins would come many nations; therefore, i believe that the country of Israel today is not ALL of Israel, only the JEW (descendants of Judah and their companions), and GOD will unite them together once again (Ez37).
 
are you completely sure your not trying to find fulfillment in a already
fulfilled script(dan7)...matt. 16:27-28 :)
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? [/quote]

I think the real question is where it the professing Chrich today in Bible porphecy:


The Mark of the Beast!​

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev13:16-17
What you need to understand clearly is that the Present day church System is already under the control of the Beast. But the Beast is NOT some Worldly dictator as everyone is suspecting. Actually the Beast John was shown in Rev13 is the Church System gone fully apostate. It’s not merely the Catholic System as many have identified over the years, but the ENTIRE professing Christian religious establishment, all preaching the Message of the Beast!

John was also shown an IMAGE created by the Beast that lives and breaths and causes everyone (in the System) to bow down to it in Worship and ‘Receive’ a Mark on the Right hand or Forehead. This IMAGE has the appearance of a Lamb but speaks the language of the Dragon through an Army of false teachers convinced that the IMAGE they have created is really Jesus Christ! This False Jesus is the focal point of Present day professing Christianity. What He represents to them is the Fallacy of Reformed theology.

According to this IMAGE the people can be ‘Saved in their sins’, Receive a Magic Moral Transfer of Christ’s Righteousness and Obedience, have their sins forgiven in advance and be made eternally secure in their vile and sinful condition. As the Rev13 passage says: ‘He CAUSES them to Receive a mark’, this Army of False teachers are dispensing this Mark as a GIFT on all who will receive it! The expression John is using is a Metaphor, (look it up!) Meaning: a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”

The common Message today is ‘Receive Jesus as your personal Savior’ by repeating a series of words repeated after the Pastor or someone supposedly leading you to the Lord. But what they are actually receiving is the IMAGE of Jesus created by the Dragon who has appeared to professing Christianity as the LAMB! (or a wolf in sheep’s clothing, Matt7:15) This is the Strong Delusion spoken of in 2Thess2:10.
How does the Mark of the Beast play into this? That’s the part FEW (if any) can understand.

The Mark is dispensed either on the Forehead or Right hand and no one is forced to take it. They freely receive it as a gift form the great Beast Image they bow down to. Everyone is expecting some kind of Physical Mark in the form of modern technology. (a chip or implant of some sort) So everyone is looking in the WRONG place for this to come to pass. The Real Mark is ‘Spiritual’ in nature and consists of a false Gospel Message that you can be ‘saved in your sins’.

Where is the Mark Dispensed?
On the ‘Forehead’ or ‘Right Hand’ To Understand this notes the following Translation:
Forehead (used only in the Book of Revelation) Is two Greek Words:
Meta: Meaning, ‘With’
Ops: Meaning, ‘An Eye’ “Literally: ‘With an Eye.’ Or ‘Within the Eye of the Mind!’
Jesus said in Matt5:27-30:
You have heard that it was said to those of old‘You shall not commit adultery.But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
The extreme importance of Crucifying the flesh with its passions and desires is expressed throughout Scripture. It is the VERY essence of real Repentance. Without it NO ONE can be truly Saved. The body of sin MUST be done away with in repentance, die with Christ, once and for all to the old man and be raised to the Newness of life in the Spirit. (Rom6:4-6, Gal5:24)

However the IMAGE that has taken full control of professing Christianity has removed this essential step from the Salvation process and replaced with the MARK. What is the Mark? Simply: the ‘evil eye’ of the flesh, fixed on the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life! (1John2:15-17) Bowing to the IMAGE is the refusal to Cut off the evil eye or hand and cast it from you. Instead you retain the evil within and call it your ‘sin nature’.
The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matt6:22-23
Again Christ points to this Mark of the flesh: “What comes out of a man that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” Mk7:20-23

Sin enters into the Mind through the Eyes (2Pet2:14) You take possession of it when the desire (lust) united with the will. (James1:14-16, you latch on to it and perform the act!) This is why the Double-minded cannot enter into the Kingdom. (Js1:8) But under the IMAGE this has been reversed! The Mark, (your own evil eye of the flesh) is retained and you ‘receive’ it as a Gift of eternal life. Herein is how the professing Church world is deceived into exchanging the Truth of God for a lie. (Rom1:25)

The Name written on the Forehead of the Saints is the revived spirit that takes place through repentance and faith proven by deeds. (Acts3:19) The Mind is fixed on things above not on things of the earth. (Col3:1-3) It is the SINGLE Eye Jesus spoke of in Matt6:22, grounded in a good and honest heart.
You have to understand that the Book of Revelation (John’s vision) is written to the Church, not the world at large. Out of the Seven Churches addressed in Chapters 2-3, only two remained faithful and did not deny His Name. Therefore John’s vision has everything to do with the Corruption of the Gospel Message under an apostate System gone haywire.

I contend that these Churches addressed by the Spirit represent the condition of professing Christianity down through the ages. Although every generation, including the early Saints, thought the time was near and that they were experiencing the final days before Christ’s return. But that’s part of the overall deception to keep the mind in a state of confusion concerning these things. Such is the nature of the so-called Rapture theory. First developed by a Dispensational teacher named John Nelson Darby in the early 1800’s, who supposedly received a vision from a self-proclaimed Prophetess named Margaret McDonald in Glasgow. She claimed to had received a vision from God about a ‘secret’ Rapture of the church that was about to take place so that they would escape the Great Tribulation coming on the earth.

The teaching spread quickly among the early Charismatic’s and at a Prophecy Conference in Dublin Ireland in 1830, Darby officially introduced the Doctrine of Dispensationalism. His contention was that the Return of Christ would happen in two stages separated by a Seven year Tribulation period. During this time the Anti-Christ would appear on the scene, deceive the entire world and unite the political and religious powers of the earth under a New World Order. God would then Judge this vile System by pouring out His Wrath in the form of the Trumpets, Seals and Bowls. Christ would return at the end, bind Satan in the bottomless pit and reign on the earth for a thousand years of Peace.

Since the formation of these fallacies many have cashed in on the hype by writing books and making further predictions and in modern times producing full length motion pictures. Nothing has come to pass of course because NONE of them has any Spiritual understanding into the Mark they have received under the false Gospel Message dispensed by the IMAGE. To this day the fallen apostate Church is waiting for some kind of tangible sign to indicate the Rapture is near and Christ is about to return. They debate timetables and cannot completely agree on a Pre-Mid or Post Trib Rapture or whether or not Jesus will actually reign on earth in physical form for a thousand years.

But they ALL Preach the Message of the Dragon! The Woman on the Scarlet Beast is the present day Church! Your own Pastors, teachers, Bible Scholars, Sunday school teachers and leaders are working the Mystery of lawlessness (2Thess2:7) directly under the noses of the people! And they are completely blind-sided by the subterfuge. No one suspects their own church to be part of a wide ranging satanic deception. A virtual Army of false teachers is actively dispensing the Mark to millions of unsuspecting souls who receive it with gladness and joy. Those who oppose this false message and will not receive it as truth are forbidden to ‘buy and sell’ inside the System. Therefore the real message of Repentance and faith proven by deeds, is heresy to the church.

I also contend that the Number of his name, Rev13:17, is the Number of Man himself! You can accept this or reject it, your choice. But the Word used in Rev13 for man does not indicate a ‘Certain man’ but is: .Anthropos or Mankind (both male and female) Unknown to the early Saints the Atomic Number of Carbon is 666, consisting of Six Neutrons, Six Electrons and Six Protons. Man is made out of Dust (Gen3:19) which is Carbon, the bases of organic life. So the Number of his name, in my opinion, is the Number of Man, who Receives his own Mark by refusal to Pluck out or Cut off the offending portions of his lustful desires.

Many of the early Saints wrongly identified the Latin System (Catholic Church) as the Beast because the number weight of their name according to their ancient numerical system equaled 666. The Latin Kingdom for example, spelled then as ‘lateinov’ translated from the Greek numerical system into this number. But it didn’t mean that the Pope or even Rome was the expected Anti-Christ! It meant that MANY names of man would also equal 666, because it is his number. Thus all the false predictions throughout history to this day trying to identify the Anit-Christ.

How can this apply to all of mankind when most of the World does not adhere to Christianity? The Passage in Rev13 is universal; ALL of mankind receives this Mark. Explain to me how Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism are going to receive this mark. It would NEVER happen they are mortal enemies of Christianity. But applying the Mark to Mankind solves the problem because anyone who is in bondage to the Lust of the eye and flesh already has it! The Bible teaches that you are a ‘Salve to who you obey, sin to death or obedience to Righteousness’ Rom6:16. The Mark can also be defined as a sign placed on the Branded Slave, showing ownership. Thus the Mark has much significance as to WHO a person is serving. (The flesh or the Spirit)

By necessity the professing Church System of today is making their so-called converts Servants of sin. They are told they are Born in sin, Can never stop sinning and are Saved in sin. The Deception is complete. The ‘evil eye’ remains and they all bow to the IMAGE. www.standingthegap.org
 
RE: Where is America in Bible Prophecy?

a big lumbering behemoth who sold her heritage for a bowl of slop.
she now worships another g-d. one pulled from the furnace and set up for her. she loves her new g-d.

her so-called-evangelical community is the false prophet of the 7th recapitulation of Revelation et al - she helped bring the beast back to life.

and now the beast will have one hour - as satan is released for a short space to deceive the nations. it's already underway. it started c. 1945.
 
where is canada in bible prophecy?
where is brazil in bible prophecy?
what about south africa?
or australia?

a better question would be...why does anyone even consider it strange that the united states is not mentioned in bible prophecy?
 
America the United States is not found and will not be stretched by opriori a belief prior to fact, no fact of literal interpretation that the United States is mentioned or referred to in the prophets of the old testament, it did not exit then and will not be present in the great tribulation of Jacobs trouble. Obama has been allowed to diminish this nation by God's design the United States will not be the savior of the world. Only the Government of Jesus Christ and we his saints will come at the battle of Armageddon. The whole world is looking and hoping for America to bail them out of the earth quakes of every kind sent by God to shake everything( Hebrews 12:25-29. We are living in the time ( it is obvious and evident) the time of shaking of governments and economies and the earth to shake all people to cry out to God repent and be delivered from this present evil world order. American cannot be looked upon to save or rescue or give false hope to the world. God is judging the United States and it will diminish to nothing before the antichrist comes upon the scene. This nation will not subvert God's plan by preventing the antichrist's rise He will be the false answer to the whole world. He will not want anything in the United States because it will no longer be viable for anything profitable for him or the world. There are no prophesies in the bible because the United States will be wrecked by Obama but before it is totally wrecked (next year) the greatest out pouring of the Latter Rain will begin to be poured out in this nation upon the body of Christ spreading to all other nations to all the body of Christ all over the world before the snatching up of the body of Christ and then after God's worldwide wrath and destruction will gradually unfold over seven years seals trumpets and vials until we come with Him to fight the battle of Armageddon. This Nation has been giving more that all others even exceeding Israel and so is its accountability and judgment. It is time for God and Jesus Christ to end all weak and corrupt man governments to set up The Government of JESUS CHRIST and us his saints his ambassadors. Maranatha Come Lord Jesus
 
serpentslayer said:
Some believe that the U.S. and U.K. are the fulfillment of the Prophesies given by Jacob at death (Gen49), which concerns the LAST DAYS; particularly the prophesy on Joseph, who is the father of Menasseh and Ephraim, where Menasseh, who is the elder brother, is the head of Joseph and he became the U.S., and where Ephrain became the U.K.. In Gen 48 we learn that Menasseh shall become a single, great nation (the U.S), but
Ephraim was to become many nations, such as the British Empire has done.

The Prophesy in GEN 49 perfectly describes the U.S. and the U.K.; for both are somewhat strategically located (surrounded by waters), militarily strong, and economically blessed.

Believe what you wish, but i believe the Promises the LORD gave Abraham, that from his loins would come many nations; therefore, i believe that the country of Israel today is not ALL of Israel, only the JEW (descendants of Judah and their companions), and GOD will unite them together once again (Ez37).
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YAWN - British Israelism.
cult (crafted for political purposes)
 
My vote-whore of babylon= US of A ... She who sits upon many waters. And the world drank from the cup of the harlot.. Im done, carry on.
 
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John Rev 1:1

"Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near" (Revelation 1:3).

"Then he said to me, "These words are faithful and true." And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place" (Revelation 22:6).

"And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand" (Revelation 22:10).

My vote-whore of babylon= US of A ... She who sits upon many waters. And the world drank from the cup of the harlot.. Im done, carry on.
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Interesting, considering that Rome is a seaport town (harlot who sits on many waters,)

The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.-- Now look at Daniels prophecy. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does ... Daniel 2:42-43
Rome's might (the iron) was its ability to conquer, but its weakness as that it couldn't mold the conquered nations into a single whole (iron mixed with clay).

The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits --which recalls the name of Rome as the city on seven hills. And that is who John is referring to in Revelation: Rome, a city of idolatry that persecuted and killed Christians in its pursuit of worldly pleasures.
 
you see a horse, I see a deer. both are brown, both have fur and the creature is shrouded in trees, you read the time is at hand was to them I read it to us. many of Daniels prophecies were for the end times. Read it how you wish. I already cast my vote.
 
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Deadtosin said:
you see a horse, I see a deer. both are brown, both have fur and the creature is shrouded in trees, you read the time is at hand was to them I read it to us. many of Daniels prophecies were for the end times. Read it how you wish. I already cast my vote.
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I don't read scriptures based on how I want them to be. I read them based on truth.
 
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