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NOTE: The above quotes are included simply to help establish an understanding of "where this thread came from" or "what got this thread started" --- this discussion is not intended to target psychomom in any way...
(In fact, I more-or-less promised it to her "when I got a chance" -- and, in so many words, she told me that she was "eagerly awaiting for it"... So, in a way, this is for psychomom.)
I am starting this thread in order to try to raise awareness to the fact that there really is wide-spread corruption in the modern bible versions - and to try to illustrate:
~ just how extensive the curruption really is.
~ just how important it is to make sure you have - and use - the best possible bible translation available.
This is what is in the KJV:
Colossians 1:
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
I have posted verses 21-29 because they collectively represent a "complete thought" in the mind of the writer (Paul).
A careful examination of the grammatical structure of the wording of these verses should reveal that the word 'Who' in verse 24 (which is plural) is referring back to the word 'you' in verse 21 -- not 'Paul' in verse 23.
The phrase "afflictions of Christ" in verse 24 does not mean 'what Christ is afflicted with', but rather 'afflictions [because of Christ]'. The word 'afflictions' applies to Paul - i.e., 'what Paul is afflicted with' --->>> "in my flesh" (in Paul's flesh).
I believe the phrase "afflictions of Christ in my flesh" in verse 24 may very well be referring specifically to Paul's 'thorn in the flesh' ("that which Christ afflicted me with [in my flesh]"); otherwise, it refers [generally] to the sufferings of Paul for the cause of Christ.
In either case -- his 'thorn in the flesh' - or - his 'sufferings for the cause of Christ' - is/are for "his (Christ's) body's sake, which is the church"...
The phrase "fill up that which is behind" in verse 24 means 'supplies that which is lacking', 'completes that which is missing', or 'makes up for the deficit'.
In essence, Paul is saying (in verse 24):
"The fact that you now rejoice because of my efforts/labor to preach/teach you the gospel makes my 'thorn in the flesh'/'sufferings for the cause of Christ' more tolerable/worthwhile."
Paul says nothing about "doing his share" of anything. Nor does he claim to have supplied anything that Christ lacks (nor does he even suggest that anything about Christ is lacking).
The NASB incorrectly "assigns" the word 'afflictions' to Christ instead of Paul.
The NASB incorrectly "assigns" the word 'Who' to Paul instead of those to whom he is speaking/writing.
Indeed.
.
(In fact, I more-or-less promised it to her "when I got a chance" -- and, in so many words, she told me that she was "eagerly awaiting for it"... So, in a way, this is for psychomom.)
I am starting this thread in order to try to raise awareness to the fact that there really is wide-spread corruption in the modern bible versions - and to try to illustrate:
~ just how extensive the curruption really is.
~ just how important it is to make sure you have - and use - the best possible bible translation available.
This is what is in the KJV:
Colossians 1:
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
I have posted verses 21-29 because they collectively represent a "complete thought" in the mind of the writer (Paul).
A careful examination of the grammatical structure of the wording of these verses should reveal that the word 'Who' in verse 24 (which is plural) is referring back to the word 'you' in verse 21 -- not 'Paul' in verse 23.
The phrase "afflictions of Christ" in verse 24 does not mean 'what Christ is afflicted with', but rather 'afflictions [because of Christ]'. The word 'afflictions' applies to Paul - i.e., 'what Paul is afflicted with' --->>> "in my flesh" (in Paul's flesh).
I believe the phrase "afflictions of Christ in my flesh" in verse 24 may very well be referring specifically to Paul's 'thorn in the flesh' ("that which Christ afflicted me with [in my flesh]"); otherwise, it refers [generally] to the sufferings of Paul for the cause of Christ.
In either case -- his 'thorn in the flesh' - or - his 'sufferings for the cause of Christ' - is/are for "his (Christ's) body's sake, which is the church"...
The phrase "fill up that which is behind" in verse 24 means 'supplies that which is lacking', 'completes that which is missing', or 'makes up for the deficit'.
In essence, Paul is saying (in verse 24):
"The fact that you now rejoice because of my efforts/labor to preach/teach you the gospel makes my 'thorn in the flesh'/'sufferings for the cause of Christ' more tolerable/worthwhile."
Paul says nothing about "doing his share" of anything. Nor does he claim to have supplied anything that Christ lacks (nor does he even suggest that anything about Christ is lacking).
The NASB incorrectly "assigns" the word 'afflictions' to Christ instead of Paul.
The NASB incorrectly "assigns" the word 'Who' to Paul instead of those to whom he is speaking/writing.
Indeed.
.
