Islam. Good or evil?

[Elizabeth619]

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." This is the reference you get your argument from. This same Scripture sounds to me like the way of Jesus is the way to the Father and heaven. Do you see the difference? Jesus's way was to accept people and forgive them and to pray for enemies and to follow the laws of God and his ways which we know of as the commandments of Jesus of which there are about 50. The difference is that some people think praying the sinners prayer in a moment of passion is enough to enter heaven, and I think that people who actually follow the ways of God whether it be in Christianity or not, are the one's who are justified by Jesus. Because according to this Scripture, Jesus is the way. So to come to the Father one must follow the way of Jesus.

How can you be justified if you(non-Christians) deny Jesus died for our sins?

Islam for example does not recognize Jesus as the son of God. They say he was nothing but a prophet. They are denying everything he is about.

Furthermore, there is the unforgiveable sin. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. To deny JEsus is to deny the Holy Spirt.
but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation

 

[Brandon777]

How can you be justified if you(non-Christians) deny Jesus died for our sins?

Islam for example does not recognize Jesus as the son of God. They say he was nothing but a prophet. They are denying everything he is about.

Furthermore, there is the unforgiveable sin. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. To deny JEsus is to deny the Holy Spirt.
but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation

The unforgivable sin is unforgiveness. Matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you don’t forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." But that's not all. You also can not go to heaven unless you are a sheep and not a goat. You must have good works to enter. Things including being generous to thirsty and hungry people, clothing naked people, visiting prisoners and so forth. (Matthew 25:31-46) So that you may have pride between you and God for being good, or so think the Muslims. Even though the bible says good works don't get you to heaven and you shouldn't boast about your good deeds. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Plus the Muslims say the same thing about us. They say Jesus was great, but the Christians deny most things He was about like, actually being held responsible for one's actions as concerned with heaven and hell.

 

[Brandon777]

good or evil? let us see....

does it recognize the one God?
does it recognize that Abraham's descendants as blessed by God? All of them?
does it understand that Israel is God's chosen people?
does it recognize that Jesus was the completion of the Abrahamic covenant?
does it recognize that those whom follow Jesus have been grafted into the root of Israel?

need more test questions?

You very obviously know next to nothing about Islam, because you say it doesn't recognize the one God. I'd say it does it better than we do. We split Him up into three and seven. All the rest of that comes from arguments originating from the Christian faith itself. All you've done is say Christianity is better than Islam without recognizing any of Islam's beliefs. Muslims say that the Bible has been tampered with. That it used to be trustworthy a long time ago.

 

[Brandon777]

Was watching this program-'Sid Roth's-It's Supernatural' just a few hours ago and suddenly this thread came back to mind..
Surprisingly,his guests were former muslims,two of them actually,(from different parts of the world) who got personal visitations from Jesus Christ telling them that they should step out of the darkness into the light and that HE is the WAY...
Both of them said that muslims are made to believe that christians are the 'BAD GUYS'...One of them said something like 'muslims don't believe in Jesus because God couldn't have had a son and that God having a son shows/signifies weakness and that their Allah isn't weak...
They do not know Christ...they have no knowledge of Him
The Bible tells us that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all
In my country,a muslim sect-Boko Haram (that's what they call themselves) have killed countless christians,families killed,babies being burnt alive,
Beginning of this year,churches were being bombed almost EVERY sunday when they knew christians would be worshipping...christians esp the youths being slaughtered......We've lost countless people!! They told us plainly that they wont stop until the country is Islamised!
Now,this is the same Allah that supposedly heals??? and appears to people in visions??? OK.....
ok.

Like Elizabeth said, there are plenty of people who are in a religion and make it into whatever they want. The truth is finding God in the mess of society that's left after the flood. Society is getting worse the father we get from people like Jesus and Mohammad. Actually I'm not sure about Mohammed. If he was that great. I'm not convinced that Islam is correct. I think Christianity is, but it's super difficult finding truth when God is so seemingly uninvolved with my quest for knowledge. And I somewhat bitterly await the day that God will finally have to use words on me when I'm being judged. Course by then it'll be too late to have changed myself for the better. I'm really led to believe that He doesn't care that much about me. If He's there at all.

 

[chip]

oh my, Brandon777, i asked a series of questions to that can be asked of any religion. i do know a great deal concerning Islam, having five extremely devote friends, whom are willing to discuss their belief set, ask questions of mine, etc. So, you would be wrong. However, Islam fails on the very first question - Allah does not equate to the Hebrew-Christian knowledge of God.

I am willing to take a stand that Christianity, at its basics, is the one true faith by which anyone can find Grace.

You are more than welcome to believe what ever you wish, attacking me does not validate error.

 

[Elizabeth619]

You very obviously know next to nothing about Islam, because you say it doesn't recognize the one God. I'd say it does it better than we do. We split Him up into three and seven. All the rest of that comes from arguments originating from the Christian faith itself. All you've done is say Christianity is better than Islam without recognizing any of Islam's beliefs. Muslims say that the Bible has been tampered with. That it used to be trustworthy a long time ago.

Brandon, if the bible is perfect, and has no error then how can the Koran be accurate as well? How can they teach an entirely different thing yet lead to the same eternal place?

The facts about Islam is Muhummad did not pass the test in Deut about the sign of a true prophet.


Matthew 5:44, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Jesus says to love your enemies. The Koran says to kill them.

Qur'an 2, The Cow, Al Baqarah Ayah 190. And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

The bible states that we will be like the angels in heaven(not marrying), yet the Koran talks often of fleshly rewards in Heaven(72 virgins)

THe Koran has many internal contridictions, yet is said to be from God. The bible has no contridiction. How can something be from God yet have error?

Qur'an - 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great.

The Koran is promoting beating ones wife. Yet the bible says to respect your wife and treat her has your own body.

Ephesians 5:25-29, 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church

Finally, Islam denies the cricifixion of Jesus. By denying his death then they are denying our salvation.

 

[Brandon777]

HaHa..very witty jimjimmers.
anyway brandon, if you really know the truth, you will understand that anything that leads people away from the truth, no matter how innocent looking and harmless is disastrous. There is only one way, there is only one name given among men by which we must be saved.
oh and the devil can do pretty good imitations in the healing dept.

I have absolutely no respect for you because you said Jimjimmers was witty by saying that. So no, I'm not reading your obviously thoughtful response.

 

[Brandon777]

Brandon, I prostrated myself before an image of George Hamilton, and my third nostril disappeared instantly. Do you believe me?

You're rude. I'll forgive you when I forget what you said.

 

[Brandon777]

It is not of God, thus it is against God, thus it is evil.

Do you have the ability to naturally know things are of God or not of God?

 

[Brandon777]

Islam rejects Christ.

I don't honestly think you said that to help me. Because that explanation is something I clearly would already know. Don't treat me like a dummy please.

 

[Brandon777]

There's no doubting the enemy has power..........see the magicians in Egypt as they copied many of God's signs through Moses. But yes, Jesus is the only way, anything that says otherwise is evil

How do you know? The Muslims say you're evil too. How do they know? Are you just really really good at knowing super deep spiritual truths or does God just talk to you better than other people who also believe in Him?

 

[Brandon777]

oh my, Brandon777, i asked a series of questions to that can be asked of any religion. i do know a great deal concerning Islam, having five extremely devote friends, whom are willing to discuss their belief set, ask questions of mine, etc. So, you would be wrong. However, Islam fails on the very first question - Allah does not equate to the Hebrew-Christian knowledge of God.

I am willing to take a stand that Christianity, at its basics, is the one true faith by which anyone can find Grace.

You are more than welcome to believe what ever you wish, attacking me does not validate error.

You're argument sounds something like this... I'm right, you're wrong.

 

[Brandon777]

Elizabeth. I have a post specifically for you that you can reply to, that I'd like to see your response to.

I know there are differences btwn the faiths, I'm not trying to weave them.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Elizabeth. I have a post specifically for you that you can reply to, that I'd like to see your response to.

I know there are differences btwn the faiths, I'm not trying to weave them.

Ok, I'll respond to it later. Need to tend to Wesley and get him ready for bed first.

 

[JimJimmers]

sorry about that Brandon, didn't mean to offend. I was responding to your saying:

Do you also know that people often see Muhammad in visions and Muslims are often healed by their prayers to Allah? A Muslim told me this.

I was saying, you shouldn't believe everything someone tells you, and repeat it as fact. I do apologize. You can forgive me or not.

I really do think your overall tone in this thread is adversarial, and you seem very angry at God. God is not the author of your problems, but He doesn't always just take them away from us. To be perfectly honest, if you hadn't been a member for so long, I would think you were a troll, just from the way you've been answering people. -JIM

 

[NinJaGGS]

God is the Lord and has revealed himself to us.

 

[BirdiesLoveJesus]

just realized this pretty crazy.

This is about the anti - christ

in the quarn it says : War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216


and in the bible :

Daniel 11:38
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things

Forces : Conquer by violence. To ravish a woman ( basically rape ). To compell or oblige to do something as in forcing.


If you look up on Google, Mecca Dome temple, which is a holy place for the Muslims you will see that it is made of Gold. Which goes back to the verse in the bible quoted above " A god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold and silver and with precious stones and pleasant things " What he means by god whom his fathers knew not he means : Their ancestors recognized the God of Abraham. Arabians are the sons of Ishmael which was Abraham's son. So it means they are worshipping a God now that Abraham did not recognize or even hear tell of. Muslims roots come from Arabians. It's really complicate but it goes with the word of god. Study it out.

 

[BirdiesLoveJesus]

The 99 names of Allah: 62 المميت Al-Mumit: The Bringer of Death, The Destroyer


ONE MORE THING FOR NOW!:
One of allahs names is Al-Murmit: The bringer of death, The destroyer.

Revelation 9:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Abaddon in hebrew means : The destoyer, Destruction, Ruin. The name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death, the author of havoc on the earth.

 

[BirdiesLoveJesus]

Re: pardon me if this is too long !

Between stoning people, burning them at the stake and in general just killing anyone for not following GoD completely, you could get the same thing out of the old testament as all of those verses you posted.

The only difference is the koran promotes violence, the bible does not.

 

[carolineh]

islam not evil??? may I ask you Brandon...what do you understand by the term jihad? what do you understand of the quran saying that infidels are anathema and are to be annhilated?