Should Christians eat pork?

[megaman125]

But here is the surprising thing for me anyways. Why would anyone want to disobey God? If you love Him, keep His commandments. It's pretty straight forward. It will forever boggle my mind that Christians will directly disobey God so that they are not seen as trying to earn their salvation or because they don't want to be legalistic. That just doesn't make any sense to me. "He who says they love me but does not do the things that I say..."

Did I not warn you about this? Seriously, you are dangerously close to accusing people that eat pork of not loving God, accusations that you cannot verify for you are not God. And on the topic of accusing people of loving pork more than loving God, would it be ok for us to accuse you of loving beef more than God if you don't give up beef?

Seriously, how difficult is it to just pick up the chicken, turkey, roast beef instead of the ham? 191,000 Americans die every year from digestive diseases. Do you honestly think that God is not allowing people to reap what they sow?

Oh absolutely you will reap what you sow, that's why I recommended against it.

I'm not judging any of you, I'm just shocked that someone can say that they love God, and yet turn right around and do something He called an abomination.

Again, you are dangerously close to making accusations about one's salvation which you cannot know.

You seemed to ignore some or most of what I posted, especially the part about Romans 14:6. I'll make this clear for you. Here are the things I want you to address, in question form.

1. Romans 14:6 says you can eat and give thanks to God, so why can't someone eat pork and give thanks to God? These things are not mutually exclusive, and you have not demonstrated them to be. Instead you seem to be throwing logic and reason out the window in favor of finger pointing legalism, but I'll let you decide if that's where you're going.

2. Can you provide 1 piece of scripture where eating pork is a sin? Sin is punishable by death, so the passage should either say that eating pork is punishable by death, or give an example where it actually was punished by death. (fun fact: I already stated the biblical consequences of eating pork in my previous post, but that seemed to go ignored.)

3. Paul's commission was to preach to the Gentiles (Acts 9:15). Gentiles were not Jews, and therefore wouldn't be following the Jewish diet (aka, they ate pork). If ceasing to eat pork was so important for our salvation, why is it that Paul never preaches against eating pork? (if he does and I'm in error, please provide a passage.) On the flipside, Paul does expressly preach about honoring our father and mother, homosexuality, adultry, murder, stealing, idolitry, etc, things that are actually sins.

 

[megaman125]

So then, does this mean it isn't a sin to eat crab legs?

It was never a sin to begin with. See my first post on the other page for the consequences of eating crab legs/pork/etc.

 

[RickShafer]

God's clear message is don't eat pork!
To the saving of your eternal souls!!!!
(B.T.W. - Don't eat mice either..........or fruit bats...........or wombats.........
or kangaroos.......or kowala's.....or vegimite.........or platypuses........)

The vision was clear; when God told Peter to rise up and eat
He didn't really mean that at all. - (He meant rise up and eat with
australians)

 

[megaman125]

God's clear message is don't eat pork!
To the saving of your eternal souls!!!!

Pleae provide scripture that expressly states that eating pork affects salvation.

The vision was clear; when God told Peter to rise up and eat

He didn't really mean that at all. - (He meant rise up and eat with
australians)

Yes, I'm not debating that. What Bremster has said about Acts 10 is correct. I don't need a passage to justify eating pork, and I certainly don't need to take Bible passages out of context to justify eating pork. Why? Becaue eating pork was never a sin to begin with.

 

[Bremster]

I'm more than happy to answer your questions but before I do, could you do me a favour and let me know what you think an 'abomination' is?

Thanks, and looking forward to your reply.

 

[nathan3]

The health laws were given so that we can be healthy.Pigs are the lowest form of life or flesh, in the order of things. If you eat pork, your likely to become sick at some point. Pigs are scavengers. they eat dead and decaying matter, even dead animals. They also don't have sweat glands i hear. That would mean any poison they eat would be become trapped in their fat and flesh
. I know that they are farm raised now. But I would also look up in the Bible where God says, that a person eating pork is like smoke in His nose.Meaning He doesn't like it.
I know some will use the Sheet being lowered in that vision the apostle had. I would follow the subject , it was to say" not to call a person ; unclean or common" that God has made clean or, to be received . The key word here is ""made"" to be received" God stated that He did not make pigs to be received.

Eating pork is not a sin against the soul , but it can be a sin against your body and health.

I follow this seeing its pretty easy to control myself from eating pork. also shrimp and other scavengers. like catfish etc. Eating pork will in the long term make you a bloated sick mess.

 

[psychomom]

Hmm...this idea that obedience=great life...
From the Sermon on the Mount to Revelation, we are told that following Christ will cost ya.
We are promised trials and tribulations, revilings and persecutions.
That whole 'pick up your cross' thing...I think He meant that. (your cross, though, not His )

Wouldn't it be awesome if following Jesus was just a simple list of do's and don'ts?
I mean, to a certain extent, sure, it is. But it's a lot more complex than that.
Listening to the still, small voice, each and every moment of the day, and being obedient to that
is more exacting than following a list of commands.
It entails behaving, as much as I can, like Christ in any given situation, doesn't it? (yielding to Him)
It requires a close connection to God's Spirit, so close that my steps match the path He wants me to walk precisely, right?

As to the Acts 10 passage, I agree there was more than one purpose to it.
Peter was trying to hold on to the Law, and his identity as a Jew(ish Christian). Wasn't part of the problem that he was reluctant to take the gospel to the gentiles, partly based on OT laws regarding what Jews were and were not allowed to do with respect to non-Jews, and partly because Jesus was their Messiah...the Jews' Messiah, not the gentiles' Messiah? (honest questions there)

I always thought, when I read Acts 10, how God set up the whole thing...telling Cornelius (a gentile, no?) to go to Peter. And just as they're approaching the city, Peter goes to the rooftop to pray, as a good Jew would at that time of day. (right?) And, I figure Peter must have been a little like me...I need for the Lord to say something more than once for me to realize He's talking to me about something important.
Because three times that sheet is lowered.
I understand how people say that the Lord meant only that Peter was to share the gospel with gentiles, but in order to do that...to go stay with gentiles, Peter would have to realize that what he was clinging to, vis à vis Jewish food law (and more), he was going to have to let go of.

If that's way off base, I'd appreciate correction.
-ellie

 

[nathan3]

Hmm...this idea that obedience=great life...
From the Sermon on the Mount to Revelation, we are told that following Christ will cost ya.
We are promised trials and tribulations, revilings and persecutions.
That whole 'pick up your cross' thing...I think He meant that. (your cross, though, not His )

Wouldn't it be awesome if following Jesus was just a simple list of do's and don'ts?
I mean, to a certain extent, sure, it is. But it's a lot more complex than that.
Listening to the still, small voice, each and every moment of the day, and being obedient to that
is more exacting than following a list of commands.
It entails behaving, as much as I can, like Christ in any given situation, doesn't it? (yielding to Him)
It requires a close connection to God's Spirit, so close that my steps match the path He wants me to walk precisely, right?

As to the Acts 10 passage, I agree there was more than one purpose to it.
Peter was trying to hold on to the Law, and his identity as a Jew(ish Christian). Wasn't part of the problem that he was reluctant to take the gospel to the gentiles, partly based on OT laws regarding what Jews were and were not allowed to do with respect to non-Jews, and partly because Jesus was their Messiah...the Jews' Messiah, not the gentiles' Messiah? (honest questions there)

I always thought, when I read Acts 10, how God set up the whole thing...telling Cornelius (a gentile, no?) to go to Peter. And just as they're approaching the city, Peter goes to the rooftop to pray, as a good Jew would at that time of day. (right?) And, I figure Peter must have been a little like me...I need for the Lord to say something more than once for me to realize He's talking to me about something important.
Because three times that sheet is lowered.
I understand how people say that the Lord meant only that Peter was to share the gospel with gentiles, but in order to do that...to go stay with gentiles, Peter would have to realize that what he was clinging to, vis à vis Jewish food law (and more), he was going to have to let go of.

If that's way off base, I'd appreciate correction.
-ellie

just a big foul ball at the end. though it started off good. where you said """I understand how people say that the Lord meant only that Peter was to share the gospel with gentiles, but in order to do that...to go stay with gentiles, Peter would have to realize that what he was clinging to, vis à vis Jewish food law (and more), he was going to have to let go of.""

Peter would not change his beliefs for no one. subjects just not calling people common. foods not mentioned but the';;;;; gentiles ;;;;;; as the subject. The following verses bring it home an makes the subject there clear.

 

[megaman125]

I'm more than happy to answer your questions but before I do, could you do me a favour and let me know what you think an 'abomination' is?

Thanks, and looking forward to your reply.

Abomination means to deprecate as an ill omen. In terms of eating pork, this is true, and we've shown this to be true, given that pork can be harmul to eat due to the fat and toxins. This is also in line with reaping what you sow.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is something worthy on the subject.

1Co 10:25 Whatever is sold in the provision market, that eat, asking no question for conscience' sake:
1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and its fullness.
1Co 10:27 If any of them that believe not invites you to a feast, and ye are disposed to go; whatever is set before you, eat, asking no question on account of conscience.
1Co 10:28 But if any man shall say to you, This is offered in sacrifice to idols, eat not for his sake that showed it, and for conscience' sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and its fullness:
1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thy own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged by another man's conscience?
1Co 10:30 For if I by grace am a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
1Co 10:32 Give no offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
1Co 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

 

[JaumeJ]

More on the subject of eating as believers.

1Co 8:8 It is true that a particular kind of food will not bring us into God's presence; we are neither inferior to others if we abstain from it, nor superior to them if we eat it.

1Co 8:9 But take care lest this liberty of yours should prove a hindrance to the progress of weak believers.

1Co 8:10 For if any one were to see you, who know the real truth of this matter, reclining at table in an idol's temple, would not his conscience (supposing him to be a weak believer) be emboldened to eat the food which has been sacrificed to the idol?

1Co 8:11 Why, your knowledge becomes the ruin of the weak believer--your brother, for whom Christ died!
1Co 8:12 Moreover when you thus sin against the brethren and wound their weak consciences, you are, in reality, sinning against Christ.

1Co 8:13 Therefore if what I eat causes my brother to fall, never again to the end of my days will I touch any kind of animal food, for fear I should cause my brother to fall.

 

[JaumeJ]

I could cut and paste on, but we are allowed freedom to eat as we please in thanksgiving to our Father.........

1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Most important, the Master teaches us that nothing by entering into our body defiles it, but you know this already.

 

[psychomom]

just a big foul ball at the end. though it started off good. where you said """I understand how people say that the Lord meant only that Peter was to share the gospel with gentiles, but in order to do that...to go stay with gentiles, Peter would have to realize that what he was clinging to, vis à vis Jewish food law (and more), he was going to have to let go of.""

Peter would not change his beliefs for no one. subjects just not calling people common. foods not mentioned but the';;;;; gentiles ;;;;;; as the subject. The following verses bring it home an makes the subject there clear.

Okay, but to live with gentiles would mean eating what they serve, wouldn't it? And their kitchens weren't 'kosher', right? Even if they served meat that OT laws permitted, who knows where they were bought?
Why was it 'unlawful...for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him'? (v.28)

 

[psychomom]

Thank you, Jack.
You remind us all that loving one another; putting other's needs before our own...walking according to His Spirit are all the law of love! ♥

 

[JaumeJ]

Feeling your love of the Lord in your post, I say to myself, "You are so cool, Jesus." That would be talking to Jesus in us, so I was talking to the entire Body. Praise our loving Dad, amen....

 

[wheat]

Shalom Bremster, The pig is a scavenger, it is an omnivorous and it eats everthing. Many diseases are carried from the swine to man...particularly parasite infestation.

Google this below and you will see why our Heavenly Father does not want us to eat pork.

Pig & Pork Facts - The Ensign Message

 

[RickShafer]

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Pleae provide scripture that expressly states that eating pork affects salvation.



Yes, I'm not debating that. What Bremster has said about Acts 10 is correct. I don't need a passage to justify eating pork, and I certainly don't need to take Bible passages out of context to justify eating pork. Why? Becaue eating pork was never a sin to begin with.

M125,
My post was sarcastic.
Read all the things I wrote before.

 

[webchatter]

We no longer sacrifice animals on an altar to God either, like was done in the old testament. Yes pork & even fish & beef have parasites. OT believers did not have refridgeration or fda inspections either. (which sometimes doesn't help us either). I do not see one verse in the Nt which says it's a sin to eat anything. Mark 7:15" for it's not what goes in the mouth of a man that defiles him, but what comes out of him that defile the man". Yes, & what does come out of a man that defiles him? Blasphemies, adding to scripture salvation requirements, etc. Although it may not be healthy for us to eat pork or drink milk or eat ice cream, is is not a sin & there is no verse in the NT that hints to such being a sin.

 

[loveme1]

Yahvah God is telling us it is unclean to eat.

I agree the verses used to make it appear "clean" to eat are not about swine meat....

That said judge no one for eating or not eating swine.

Once i read that Yahvah God said it was unclean i decided to abstain for he knows better than i.

If any one asks me "why?" i tell them that Yahvah God says it is unclean... I do not tell them "they must not" for it must come from within for it to be possible to abstain, Spirit over the flesh... Law of Love.

 

[jb]

If you feel (for health reasons) that you don't want to eat bacon/pork, fine, don't eat it, however, if you feel happy about eating it, then go ahead and eat it...

This is NOT something to get hung up upon and certainly not something to fall out over (or take a legalistic stance) with other brothers and sisters!