The False Doctrine of OSAS

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I see.
So free will means doing what He told us to do or suffering the consequences......
Is that correct?
 
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But this mocks of the knowledge of God. Who is righteous? Have you ever had a day where you can claim you were righteous enough to earn salvation and not need Grace? This is the point. No one can be righteous enough to earn it, Thus no one could be righteous, then all of a sudden become unrighteous. because we ALL are unrighteous.

As often as it is necessary, I will repeat once again: we do not lose salvation as soon as we sin, but the one who comes before God looking for mercy shall receive mercy. There is forgiveness with the Lord. But nonetheless, we are to at least strive to be as our Father.

But as to how is one righteous in the new Covenant, let us continue in Mathew 25:33-40. So, how are we righteous: displaying love undivided, inasmuch as we are told to be as our Father, equiable towards all.
You confuse the crap out of me. Maybe because you do not even know yourself?

Does not one who has faith in Christ ALWAYS come looking for mercy? Does not God expose their sin, and chasten them to bring them back? The only one who would not come to mercy would be one who does not Know god is this not correct?


Are you equitable towards all 100 % of the time? and if you are not. how could you be saved more than the person next to you, who also is not?

Don't you get how flawed your perspective is??
 
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A person who is not a child of God can not be a servant to god. A person who would lose salvation would not longer be a servant to god, but a servant of sin and the flesh.


But yet, they are said to both be a servant of the same lord.
No they are not. A person who is not born again is said to be a servant of sin, A servant of the flesh, a servant of his leader, who is satan. And an enemy of God? this does not make sense.

So yes, if one is not a child of God, he cannot be a servant either. So without much ado, that servant of that same house must have been a servant of God and having been a servant, he receives that which is to be handed out at the end, the reward for his actions: outer darkness. And the servant of the same house who was faithful, shall receive reward by those things which he has done: everlasting life.

A person is not a child of God is not a servant of the same house of that of one who is a child of God.

A person not born of God is a child of satan, and serves satans house.

A child of God is adopted by God into his family, and is a servant of Gods house.

where do you get this stuff??
 
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I see.
So free will means doing what He told us to do or suffering the consequences......
Is that correct?
Cris,
So having free will means doing what He tells us to do or suffering the consequences?
 
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Does not one who has faith in Christ ALWAYS come looking for mercy?

And what of the one servant who sought forgiveness and found it. And then later, he went out and saw another and forgave him not. What do we suppose happened to that fogiven servant who showed no forgivenesss? Was not the Lord angered with him and delivered him to the tormentors until his debt was paid.

So tell me, is there escape from Hell? How then can this servant who went to his Lord and received forgiveness not be a servant of his Lord's house in the first place. Was it not the Lord of that servant the One who throw him out into outer darkness. The same One who he called Lord is the same One who will delivered him to the tormentors of the soul. God is faithful to Himself, He has ordained judgment on all the wicked, be it a child of the rebellion or a child of His who has abandoned his righteousness for a live of moral wrongfulness.

 
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It's impossible for people to make out this thread if we keep hop-skipping around.
Can Chris and I have maybe ten or twenty straight answers to conclude our debate?
 
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Cris,
So having free will means doing what He tells us to do or suffering the consequences?
A child has freewill to do or not to do what was told him, he and he alone must face the consequences of his own freely chosen decision.

If we are commanded to do the works of Christ, and we do not, is there not consequences for an unfaithful servant? To some unfaithful servants, the lord whips. To some unfaithful servants, the lord hangs. These are the extremes, but it still goes to say, that the lord of that servant tries to correct him and if that servant will not be a part of his lord's will, what other choice is there for the lord but to say, 'not well done you unfaithful servant. You will not have rest (second death).' Is not a slave a servant of his master until his debt which was paid for him is paid back. If the unfaithful servant does not fulfill his works his lord has placed upon Him, then he shall never be freed from his bondage of slavery.
 
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So your answer is yes, we have the freewill to serve Him or suffer the consequences, correct?
 
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Wink...that 'like' was a yes to the question :)
 
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Does not one who has faith in Christ ALWAYS come looking for mercy?

And what of the one servant who sought forgiveness and found it. And then later, he went out and saw another and forgave him not.



what about him. Everything he did was out of self gain, which was the point christ made. this guy was not a servant of God, he was a servant of self and proved it. because everything he did benefited self.


What do we suppose happened to that fogiven servant who showed no forgivenesss? Was not the Lord angered with him and delivered him to the tormentors until his debt was paid.

reminds me of christ, who took all of my sin, and all of everyone sin, and offered forgiveness to all. Only those who trust him actually receive it, and out of a grateful heart, they show his love by forgiving others as they have been forgive.

as apposed to those who were also offered forgiveness, but rejected christ for self. and since they never truly tasted forgiveness, do not have the capacity to forgive others.

which proves my point.



So tell me, is there escape from Hell? [/QUOTE]

Yep, it is called the cross. Do you have faith in the cross. or are you going to continue to have faith in yourself to be good enough to earn your ticket out of hell? Christ paid your get out of hell card. Are you going to take it in faith, or still try to get your own ticket?


How then can this servant who went to his Lord and received forgiveness not be a servant of his Lord's house in the first place. Was it not the Lord of that servant the One who throw him out into outer darkness. The same One who he called Lord is the same One who will delivered him to the tormentors of the soul. God is faithful to Himself, He has ordained judgment on all the wicked, be it a child of the rebellion or a child of His who has abandoned his righteousness for a live of moral wrongfulness.
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Are you going to now tell me at one time the Lord knew these people when they were saved, but later, when he kicked them out of his house for not obeying him, now lied by saying he never knew them?

or are you going to admit that many fakes walk into Gods house and claim they are servants of the lord. but were imposters the whole time, and will get a rude awakening when they find out all their great deeds they did in the name of Christ account for nothing, because they were frauds and not true children of the true master?
 
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Rick,

I will not answer any other posts from others for the moment, but will give you full attention, seeing that this conversation is fruitful
 
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O.K.
If our freewill is the deciding factor,
How do we know we are serving Jesus?
 
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O.K.
If our freewill is the deciding factor,
How do we know we are serving Jesus?

His Spirit who He has given to us will led us into all Truth, He is our unction.
 
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Amen!
So if a person does everything is his/her power to overcome a habitual sin,
but never overcomes it.
Is he/she lost?
 
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Amen!
So if a person does everything is his/her power to overcome a habitual sin,
but never overcomes it.
Is he/she lost?
If his desires is to be a son of God and he walks where the Lord leads, then the Lord, our most faithul High Priest, will complete the work in him which He started.
 
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If his desires is to be a son of God and he walks where the Lord leads, then the Lord, our most faithul High Priest, will complete the work in him which He started.

But yet, if he refuses grooming by Him, if he only produces thorns and briers, then is he not one left to be burned up by the dessert's heat?
 
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But my question goes to action.
Because that's what servants and slaves do, they work for a living:cool:
If one continues to fail at a certain thing; would that not mean they are unfruitful
servants?