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arwen7
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Kinda funny since I am currently writing a paper for uni on the Anti-Christ (contemporary views vs. early church and biblical context). In my searches, I found a lot of websites devoted to trying to prove that Obama is the Anti-Christ. I am sure given the election results, it will only confirm their beliefs lol 
Nautilus, remember that thread from that Apocalypse guy? In it he had posted a web page trying to promote his belief about suffering/rapture, etc. I am using a book from that website for my paper. Something good ended up coming from all that..turning lemons into lemonade, I'd say!
Nautilus, remember that thread from that Apocalypse guy? In it he had posted a web page trying to promote his belief about suffering/rapture, etc. I am using a book from that website for my paper. Something good ended up coming from all that..turning lemons into lemonade, I'd say!
If you mean 4 more years of progress towards socialism and becoming the next Greece when america's creditors like China finally call in their debts, then you are correct.
And lets not forget 4 more years of blaming Bush.
And lets not forget 4 more years of blaming Bush.
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Frankly I don't care for either of them. They are both another step towards tribulation.
At least Romney has both a Harvard MBA and a doctorate and and was the founder and head of what was once ranked the world's #1 Management Consultant firm. He is an expert at fixing problems of failing companies. When his firm started out, they didn't even charge their customers unless they could show them results in the form of a higher stock price. Not only that but he was a missionary who worked with and helped the poor even though he came from a wealthy family. He also took God seriously. Yes he was Mormon and not a christian, but mormons care about people too and believe in a good God. He was a bishop in his church. He also was the governor of Massachussetts and they were ranked #1 in the country in education during his term. I believe he really wanted to do everything in his power to help this country get out of this recession.
Yes, praise God that we have another four years of reckless spending which is projected to increase the national debt to $20+ trillion by 2016.
Yes, praise God that we have another four years of pushing socialistic and liberal policies down American's throats.
Yes, Praise God that we have a President with no backbone that bows down to leaders of hostile countries.
Yes, Praise God that we have a leader who wants to level the playing field of the world by making America less of a superpower.
Instead of saying four more years of progress not 50 years of backsliding, I would say four more years closer to America's fall.
And something to think about:
“The five marks of the Roman decaying culture:
Concern with displaying affluence instead of building wealth;
Obsession with sex and perversions of sex;
Art becomes freakish and sensationalistic instead of creative and original;
Widening disparity between very rich and very poor;
Increased demand to live off the state.”
― Edward Gibbon
I don't think God puts anyone in office, he gives us the free will to choose for ourselves.
I have to disagree with you for scripture says,
Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Even though we have free will, God can use us just as he did Pharaoh and hardened his heart that all things would come to pass according to His will.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
Okay, I should have worded my response better, God may put someone in office but I don't think that is always the case. Yes, that verse does say he removes kings and sets them up as kings but it doesn't say that he ALWAYS does that. Sometimes he'll give us the choice to make the right decision and it's up to us to do so. If you take that verse at face value and say he always does this then that would mean he put Hitler in power or Stalin, which I would say is not the case.
I found an interesting verse for you...
"They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction." - Hosea 8:4
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arwen7
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One question: How do we get God's consent about who should be a leader of a nation?
In those days, they had prophets with whom they might have advised with regard to a new king or leader, but even then the false prophets from the true prophets were only determined by if the outcome proved to be true. I don't know if anyone can truly say if a leader was put into office by God or not, its all speculation that leads to argument.
One question: How do we get God's consent about who should be a leader of a nation?
I agree, that is why I said God gives us the free will to choose whom we think is best. But, 1Christianwarrior316 was trying to say that all leaders are given their position by God, and I'm not going to say that doesn't happen but I don't think it happens all the time. So, I put that verse to show that it doesn't always happen.
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arwen7
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Oh yeah, sorry, I wasn't picking on you or anything, it was more of a generalized statement. Shouldn't have quoted you in my post.
@TheOriginal…
I made a comment and quoted scripture to respond to your original comment “I don’t think God puts anyone in office” just to show you that your comment is not correct according to scripture. Now you’re telling others that I said “all leaders are given their position by God.” Show me where I said that. Brother you’re putting words in my mouth that I never said.
The point I was trying to make is that God will put whomever He will into office over the people whether it be kings, queens, presidents, etc. etc. to do according to His will. God’s will will be done. And my referral to Pharaoh was to show you that God can put whatever He wants into the hearts and minds of the people so all things may come to pass according to His will.
If you didn’t understand the message I was trying to convey to you then let the error be on my part. But don’t start accusing your brethern (like others like doing on this forum) of saying things they did not say.
May God Bless You,
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
If you look at your response to me earlier in the conversation, you said you disagreed that God gives us the freewill to choose our elected officials ourselves. Therefore, I took that as believing that God always has a hand in who is a king, queen, president, congressman, senator, etc. So, technically, I am not accusing you of saying things you did not say since you implied that you disagreed with my assessment.
I'd say we could take this as miscommunication.
Your correct Man put Obama in office not God. Yes God knew what the outcome would be and He has a plan. God doesnt approve of abortions and gay rights, it's in His Word.