Of course, this seem to the be proof text for many. Slowing down.
First, God told Moses "I will make the a god in the eyes of Pharaoh". This is not calling Moses a literal god.
If it is to be taken Literally, then Pharaoh had a new god, and it was Moses.
It was an expression to covey the Power Moses would have the eyes of Pharaoh. This doe snot support you in any way, unless you are taking this literally, and believe Moses became Pharaoh's god, along with the many other false gods Pharaoh would have had.
As Psa 82, this is a way better argument then Exodus 7, I would stay here if I were you.
I agree, you have shown me another usage of the world in this book. Good Job, I cannot say it has one usage, even though I never did say that.
Now, the question is, what usage should I apply to Jesus. the "judges" usage or the Deity usage. That can only be answered by remote context, and what the Bible says about Jesus.
The Paraphrase I gave clearly gave an valid argument, I am not sure how much you thought about it before you dismissed it, because you below are bringing up questions that it answered.
This is no different than when Jesus was plucking the ears of corn or wheat on the Sabbath, and used david eating the shewbread to trip up the Jews.
He was not saying Because David did what was wrong, he can to.
Neither was he saying David did not sin, but He is.
He brought it up because they held David in such a high regard, and would never accuse him of doing wrong. Showing this point he ends with "he is Lord of the Sabbath", showing he is higher than David.
in this particular text, he is showing the Jews, how can you know that scripture even calls the wicked "judges" gods, thought they cannot do nothing godly, I stand here with the Power of God and you want to stone because of it.
His argument from the PSA was reenforcing what he said before, and was establishing the fact he was equal with God, why they wanted to stone him, and why he never denied what the were accusing him of.
It is explained above. If Jesus was saying he was a god, then why would he compare himself to corrupt people? think about it? If that makes mine fall apart then also yours.
Of course, when he came in Human form. He was subject, he gave up who he was in order to be put to death.
He had a will to do, the Fathers. HE came to set an example for us to follow, that is why he came in human form - Heb 2.
His example: Become dead to sin, submit to the Father's will. He showed us first, by him doing it.
This does not take away who he was, or who he is now.
I see what your trying to say, yet I do not agree with it. This title you say that is claiming to be, would make the Jews believe he was claiming to be equal with God.
Second, he never denied, just as he did not correct Thomas when he called him "My Lord and My GOd".
He did not tell anyone not to worship him, as Peter did, and as angels did.
I know JW try to put a different meaning that as well, and make it obsenince, yet it the same word every time, and if you all can find ONE exception to a rule, you try to bind that rule to every time words are found with Christ. So your interpretation method is to use the exception of the rule first, then the normal sense of the word when it comes to Christ.
I believe it could be saying as the man Jesus, he could be counted as Creation because he was born into the world by a woman, I dont deny that one bit.
Yet the firstborn does not mean time. As it does not with the dead. It is rank.
Now, did Jesus the man create all things? No
Did Jesus before he was a man? YES
Could Paul express this without referring to him in the state we knew him. Sure but it would not make sense to do so.
So Jesus is the creator of all things that are created. He did not create himself, and he is before all things that were created, does not mean this is what firstborn means, shows that when speaking of the dead.
Now, are you saying that because he became a man, created on earth, born of a woman, that means he MUST have been created before this?
Are you saying that because he was created on earth, and that mean he must have been created before he came to earth, that is why he did not really create all things, sense we know he did not create himself?
What are you getting here?