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Re: Keep trying TJ...
Oh I know, we're all vastly ignorant compared to you...but are you not able to explain yourself? You're the one claiming these are "two entirely different words".
Who is being described as becoming a "multitude" ('plethos') in the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version of Genesis 48:19?
Thanks!
Oh I know, we're all vastly ignorant compared to you...but are you not able to explain yourself? You're the one claiming these are "two entirely different words".
Who is being described as becoming a "multitude" ('plethos') in the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version of Genesis 48:19?
Thanks!
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Re: Keep trying TJ...
Bowman, are you talking about the Hebrew text again? You're being extremely vague, and remember, as I've said several times now, we're talking about the LXX here. The LXX translators used the same exact word in Genesis 48:16 and 19.
Once again, who is being described as becoming a "multitude" ('plethos') in the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version of Genesis 48:19?
Just be honest, Bowman.
Bowman, are you talking about the Hebrew text again? You're being extremely vague, and remember, as I've said several times now, we're talking about the LXX here. The LXX translators used the same exact word in Genesis 48:16 and 19.
Once again, who is being described as becoming a "multitude" ('plethos') in the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version of Genesis 48:19?
Just be honest, Bowman.
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I’m not certain why this has to be known. Whatever…
The English transliteration “Larob” is found in Genesis 48:16 and means multitude, abundance, numerous etc, deriving from the Hebrew root word, a verb, Rabab: “To become many”, which tends to define multitude better than the following rendering in verse 19
The English transliteration Melo in Genesis 48:19 means multitude, fullness, contain, etc, deriving from the Hebrew root word, a verb, Mala: “To be full, to fill”, which tends to emphasise fulfilling (in numbers?)
Both are typical of any given single Hebraic word which gives a variant range of meaning within different context, but in essence, the meanings are similar. However, in these two contexts of verse 16 and 19, both Larob and Melo; when they “met in the middle“ in Genesis 48 in the Septuagint, it seems that they end up having the same sense, at least to the Greek speaking scribes of the LXX that is, who seem to have sensed that both of the Hebrew words have the same meaning, and the scribes went ahead and translated both Hebrew words in Genesis 48:16,19 with one Greek word pletqov, (increased, multiplied etc)
The English transliteration “Larob” is found in Genesis 48:16 and means multitude, abundance, numerous etc, deriving from the Hebrew root word, a verb, Rabab: “To become many”, which tends to define multitude better than the following rendering in verse 19
The English transliteration Melo in Genesis 48:19 means multitude, fullness, contain, etc, deriving from the Hebrew root word, a verb, Mala: “To be full, to fill”, which tends to emphasise fulfilling (in numbers?)
Both are typical of any given single Hebraic word which gives a variant range of meaning within different context, but in essence, the meanings are similar. However, in these two contexts of verse 16 and 19, both Larob and Melo; when they “met in the middle“ in Genesis 48 in the Septuagint, it seems that they end up having the same sense, at least to the Greek speaking scribes of the LXX that is, who seem to have sensed that both of the Hebrew words have the same meaning, and the scribes went ahead and translated both Hebrew words in Genesis 48:16,19 with one Greek word pletqov, (increased, multiplied etc)
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Re: Keep trying TJ...
Bowman, I realize with all the taunting that you do that it's difficult to keep track, so allow me to remind you what you said earlier:
Are you running from this, Bowman? It's hard to move the goal posts when what you've said is documented.
So "in the LXX", like you challenged, who is being described as becoming a "multitude" ('plethos') in Genesis 48:19?
Bowman, I realize with all the taunting that you do that it's difficult to keep track, so allow me to remind you what you said earlier:
Are you running from this, Bowman? It's hard to move the goal posts when what you've said is documented.
So "in the LXX", like you challenged, who is being described as becoming a "multitude" ('plethos') in Genesis 48:19?
The need to know the difference in the original words stems from TJ's quest to thwart the Trinity by somehow demonstrating that the LXX's usage of the word 'name' can have more than one referent and thereby cast doubt on Trinitarian verses such as Mat 28.19.
In his quest to do so, he wants to now completely ignore the Hebrew and jump only into a translation of the Hebrew (LXX)....and then jump to NT Greek.
His lame argument has taken so many detours that he is not even sure now what his original point even was...
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That's very well stated, ra88it. Bowman didn't realize that the Septuagint translators recognized these as having the same meaning in Genesis 48:16,19 when he made his ill-advised challenge on the LXX version of the Torah, and this collapses the last strained semblance of an argument that he could muster to differentiate Genesis 48:16 as "completely different" from Matthew 28:19. He'll never admit it, however. Just more distract-and-ridicule...