why do atheists choose to live?

[megaman125]

I respect your reply. I can't help but think why is there so much confusion about which God to believe in?

No offense if this doesn't apply to you, but this just sounds like laziness to me. I've heard this so many times before. "Well, I don't believe in God because... I don't know which religion," and then stop right there without going further.

If there is one God who loves all people on earth why is there so much separation and disagreement? There should be more unity in that respect.

God doesn't force you to worship Him or believe in Him, and why should God? You wouldn't really want that, would you? God is looking for our genuine love, and in order for that, God can't force Himself on us in the way that you expect/describe. If God did that, our love toward Him wouldn't be genuine anymore, we'd just be robots. If God wanted robots, God would have made robots.

I don't doubt your sincerity but honestly, how is that different from what a Muslim or Jew believes? For the most part people "believe" in what the popular religion is in there region. It is the accident of geographical birth. Friends, family, it is a strong social bond no doubt.

Oh look, the genetic fallacy, never heard this typical line before. Not to mention that you're also ignoring all the cases where people from non-Christian homes/regions are Christians (and there's lots of cases of this).

That's all well and fine but maybe one day science may provide a solid answer to all of our universe questions.

So you're going for the faith in science response, eh? "Oh, well science doesn't know it now, but I have faith that one day they just might have it. We just have to believe in science/scientists." Sorry, but I have no interest in putting blind faith in man.

Or God could just reveal himself to the world through a TV. Why He chose to "reveal" himself to very superstitious middle easterners in the Bronze Age is beyond me.

God has already revealed Himself, not just in the past, but in this present day. If you're not seeing it, you're either closing your mind to it, or you're not even trying to look.

One thing is for certain, things that ancient people thought were magic have turned out to be NOT MAGIC!

No one said anything about magic. This is just another typical statement of mockery that makes you look like the typical denialist who has no interest in finding God anyways (and shockingly enough, you haven't).

You are very said jimmy to say that my statement of the Holy Spirit giving the testimony of the Christ is a fallacy. Very sad indeed.

jimmy's statement wasn't directed at you in any way, shape, or form. He was quoting what Reality said.

 

[chesser]

Question: wouldn't an atheist believing this is their only life cause them to value this short time period more? Please not I am not atheist, but whoever wrote this question is indeed a sillyhead.

 

[cfultz3]

Be careful about Genetic Fallacies. They are very tempting, tempting indeed.

Jimmy,

if you were not responding to him having responded to what I said, I am very sorry for saying that you were saying that the testiment of the Christ and God is given by the Spirit was a fallicy.

 

[Nautilus]

yes really this life has more pain in it than anything pleasurable so why bother with it if they really believe that?

Im sorry if your life sucks that badly I truly am. But most people lives are not just filled with pain

 

[cfultz3]

Reality,

will you take me up on my challenge?

 

[Reality]

No offense if this doesn't apply to you, but this just sounds like laziness to me. I've heard this so many times before. "Well, I don't believe in God because... I don't know which religion," and then stop right there without going further.

This is real world observance. This is reality. There are too many religions to count and all of the people think they are members of the right one. And frankly I don't want to be associated with the same organization as Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind, and Kirk Cameron. They really make the whole thing look bad.

God doesn't force you to worship Him or believe in Him, and why should God? You wouldn't really want that, would you? God is looking for our genuine love, and in order for that, God can't force Himself on us in the way that you expect/describe. If God did that, our love toward Him wouldn't be genuine anymore, we'd just be robots. If God wanted robots, God would have made robots.

God doesn't force us? Giving us a "choice" between eternal life or eternal torture in a lake of fire (where our skin melts off only to grow back and melt off again) How is this NOT forcing? How is this even a choice? This is mental abuse especially when told to children!

Oh look, the genetic fallacy, never heard this typical line before. Not to mention that you're also ignoring all the cases where people from non-Christian homes/regions are Christians (and there's lots of cases of this).

I said "for the most part". This is a fact, thanks.

So you're going for the faith in science response, eh? "Oh, well science doesn't know it now, but I have faith that one day they just might have it. We just have to believe in science/scientists." Sorry, but I have no interest in putting blind faith in man.

Even if man actually has the answer one day? This is close-mindedness. Considering the track record that science has it would be considered foolish to actually bet against science.

God has already revealed Himself, not just in the past, but in this present day. If you're not seeing it, you're either closing your mind to it, or you're not even trying to look.

This is your opinion not a fact. Again, which god? Zeus, Apollo, flying spaghetti monster, etc?

No one said anything about magic. This is just another typical statement of mockery that makes you look like the typical denialist who has no interest in finding God anyways (and shockingly enough, you haven't).

Supernatural stuff is magic. Plain and simple. How else am I supposed to describe it? Things don't just pop
into existence right in front of my eyes everyday. Just being completely rational. I have no reference to base a supernatural occurrence on. If you do, please share that info and I will happily deconstruct it to show how it's probably NOT MAGIC!!

 

[megaman125]

This is real world observance. This is reality. There are too many religions to count and all of the people think they are members of the right one. And frankly I don't want to be associated with the same organization as Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind, and Kirk Cameron. They really make the whole thing look bad.

So why do you even bother comming to a Christian chat forum when you don't want to be associated with us? And if your typical response is "I'm here to educate the Christians that the Bible is wrong," don't bother, you're just wasting your time. You won't get any Christians to deny God.

God doesn't force us? Giving us a "choice" between eternal life or eternal torture in a lake of fire (where our skin melts off only to grow back and melt off again) How is this NOT forcing? How is this even a choice? This is mental abuse especially when told to children!

The only way you're allowed to use this arguement is if:

1. You believe that heaven and hell are real.
2. God is real.

If you deny either one, or both of those statements and try to make that arguement, then you're simply not being consistent with your atheism.

I said "for the most part". This is a fact, thanks.

Why is it that typical atheists like to live in a fantasy world where logical fallacies are somehow facts?

Even if man actually has the answer one day? This is close-mindedness. Considering the track record that science has it would be considered foolish to actually bet against science.

You're free to put your blind faith in science if you want. But it's not foolish for me not to join you in your blind bandwagon. Why should I have faith that scientists will one day be able to prove the religion of naturalism?

This is your opinion not a fact. Again, which god? Zeus, Apollo, flying spaghetti monster, etc?

This is a Christian chat forum, and I'm a Christian. What God do you think I'm talking about? Oh, that's right, you just want to stick with the laziness route of "there's so many different religions, so I'm going to stop right and deny them all."

Supernatural stuff is magic. Plain and simple. How else am I supposed to describe it? Things don't just pop
into existence right in front of my eyes everyday. Just being completely rational. I have no reference to base a supernatural occurrence on. If you do, please share that info and I will happily deconstruct it to show how it's probably NOT MAGIC!!

You don't believe in anything supernatural? So tell me then, how did the universe pop into existence? How did life on earth begin?

And I didn't say anything about magic, that's just your typical lines of mockery talking.

 

[Reality]

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[Nautilus]

I dont agree with a lot of what reality has said but that graph about the christian dark ages is pretty accurate. Hopefully society learns from having a world governed by religion and never goes back to that.

 

[GreenNnice]

I think it's important for believers 'witness' to nonbelievers, in.general, not to testimony of dying to be with God is better than life on earth with God, although, Yes, for one con example, Paul did so desire to be with Christ , but was Paul calling dying 'gain' meaning Paul wanted to die or just that Paul knew dying was meaning being with Christ? We are all called to serve Him, 'worship Him in spirit and in Truth.' How does
this verse make a 'pro' argument. Or, con,??

When we worship God in spirit and in Truth, what does this mean?
Yes, we are to hate our life, John 12, but is Scripture saying we should openly tell others: I would go to my death .

 

[augustusbmy]

Couldn't the same questions be asked of Christians? If you believe you are going to heaven then why suffer through life, why not skip to the good part?

 

[teuful_hunden]

Im sorry if your life sucks that badly I truly am. But most people lives are not just filled with pain

I'd say most lives have a great deal of pain in them.

 

[teuful_hunden]

Question: wouldn't an atheist believing this is their only life cause them to value this short time period more? Please not I am not atheist, but whoever wrote this question is indeed a sillyhead.

the question is why even bother having value over something you won't remember. the only reason you enjoy and value things is because of your memories. When those are no more then there really wasn't a point to having those if thats just the end now is there?

 

[teuful_hunden]

Couldn't the same questions be asked of Christians? If you believe you are going to heaven then why suffer through life, why not skip to the good part?

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. eph 2:10
In a simple summary because that. In a more expounded one because Christians are bound to their king and not to their own desires. Our goal is to do his will and not our own. Would I like to skip to the good part? Oh you bet. However if God has other goals for me then I should do those and not my wants.

 

[megaman125]

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. eph 2:10
In a simple summary because that. In a more expounded one because Christians are bound to their king and not to their own desires. Our goal is to do his will and not our own. Would I like to skip to the good part? Oh you bet. However if God has other goals for me then I should do those and not my wants.

And to put this in simple terms, God didn't create us to commit suicide at the first given opportunity.

 

[loveme1]

i Trust and believe in Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah and have no reason or desire to explore anything or anywhere take me home to Worship him for eternity.


man have found nothing that they were not given to find.

deluded to think the creation have done anything by itself.... all things lead to the Harvest.

the life within them while they chase the wind..... is all for His Glory and Good.

 

[chesser]

the question is why even bother having value over something you won't remember. the only reason you enjoy and value things is because of your memories. When those are no more then there really wasn't a point to having those if thats just the end now is there?

Have you ever heard of living in the moment? While it is really a Jewish thing, atheists seem to do it too.

 

[RickyZ]

We abide until we are called home.

We do not decide when our journey is over.

Like prisoners who are told they are going home soon but wait patiently.

Bondslaves, not prisoners.

 

[GreenNnice]

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. eph 2:10
In a simple summary because that. In a more expounded one because Christians are bound to their king and not to their own desires. Our goal is to do his will and not our own. Would I like to skip to the good part? Oh you bet. However if God has other goals for me then I should do those and not my wants.

Amen, teuhund, a lot said from your young 'led' mind, we should not want to 'skip' this gift of life given us by God.

I thank God I am my level of human life, so, glad I'm not a 'prey' animal, or, a whatever else, thank you Lord Thanks be to my God , I thank Him that I am here, made for whatever He wills, only appreciation to my Maker, ALL the time, and, pray, that I can read His Word, accept His mercy, and, live in His Love, through His Spirit in me, blessing me with grace

The preponderence of occurences show me His many-splendored concern , and, care, for me, I soo wish, pray, atheists could see Him work.in their lives.

I Love Him, He says ALL we need is a mustard seed amount of FAITH to do anything we want, really, as, 'move a mountain' is not what He is really saying, although,ctrue dat, all things are possible for God

 

[chesser]

The OP I feel, might be calling out for help, I've noticed them tell of how much pain there is in life and in fact how there is so much pain that without the promise of heaven it would be better to kill themselves. If this is true, I would like us to help them. I Probly wouldn't be the best one to turn to, but if you tell us what is upsetting you so much, I'm sure someone will respond.