why do atheists choose to live?

[GreenNnice]

The OP I feel, might be calling out for help, I've noticed them tell of how much pain there is in life and in fact how there is so much pain that without the promise of heaven it would be better to kill themselves. If this is true, I would like us to help them. I Probly wouldn't be the best one to turn to, but if you tell us what is upsetting you so much, I'm sure someone will respond.

Hi, chessbuddy, just saying 'hi,'

And, remember , it wasn't man that killed the beast.It was beauty that killed the beast . Probably killed the rock stars , too, that is, if they were in his way. Seen the closing line by Jack Black in King Kong , have you not, cb

Good night, God bless your young age delving in to His Truth. Never give up on Him, chessbuddy, and, IF ever needing something from God you prayerfully have faith is good, don't be afraid to wrestle with that Angel for He loves our FAITH jot just shared, but used, especially on none other than He Himself who GAVE YOU YOUR 'measure,' cb !!

 

[chesser]

Hi, chessbuddy, just saying 'hi,'

And, remember , it wasn't man that killed the beast.It was beauty that killed the beast . Probably killed the rock stars , too, that is, if they were in his way. Seen the closing line by Jack Black in King Kong , have you not, cb

Good night, God bless your young age delving in to His Truth. Never give up on Him, chessbuddy, and, IF ever needing something from God you prayerfully have faith is good, don't be afraid to wrestle with that Angel for He loves our FAITH jot just shared, but used, especially on none other than He Himself who GAVE YOU YOUR 'measure,' cb !!

Hi green ice, the whole beauty beast thing I didn't really understand, no, I haven't seen the jack black line(whatever that is) and Ty for the rest

 

[RickyZ]

You seem to think that we all live in pain and therefore should take an early exit to escape it. My guess is that you live in pain and are looking for arguments on why/why not escape it. That would be my first area to explore, why is it you feel you are in such pain?

To answer the question, remember, as a Christian you are subject to attack. I've always thought you could tell how 'high' someone is in the realm of God by how hard hell works to hold them under. Athiests don't need holding under, the world generally treats those who embrace it with wine women and song. So no I wouldn't assume them to be in such pain as you put them in.

Too, even tho they don't go on, their world and progeny do. Just because life beyond means nothing to them doesn't mean it means nothing to them now.

Given the education and experience in the spiritual realm that God has blessed me with, I long to die. I don't believe, I know. I promised God I wouldn't try to shortcut the process by my own hand again, but yeah I see people pass on and think you lucky b@$#3&d. Up there partying before the Throne of God. I watch people... well, don't get me started on this! If you truly know and understand what lies beyond, yeah physical death is welcome, in it's own time.

Difference between the two of us is; I want to die to be with God, you want to die to escape the pain. I hope I and the community here can help you with that.

 

[GreenNnice]

Hi green ice, the whole beauty beast thing I didn't really understand, no, I haven't seen the jack black line(whatever that is) and Ty for the rest

No worries, chessbuddy, you take care, you're young, a smart young man who wants more and more of God as you do His leading, just don't be afraid to, like Jacob did, wrestle with an angel, who was really who ? Jacob wrestled with the angel why, chessbuddy ?

This is a bible story and history lesson for atheists

 

[GreenNnice]

No worries, chessbuddy, you take care, you're young, a smart young man who wants more and more of God as you do His leading, just don't be afraid to, like Jacob did, wrestle with an angel, who was really who ? Jacob wrestled with the angel why, chessbuddy ?

This is a bible story and history lesson for atheists

OK, going to sleep, chessersbudpal, but , if time, the Lord leads, check out the great ways , even thoughts of God , regarding Jacob's great act , gen. 32. I'm wrestling myself to sleep now.

 

[PaigeyStorm]

Why don't all Christians have someone kill them right now so they can go to heaven? It's supposed to be a lot better than here, right?

Because we being "Christians" whom are in a relationship with God and believe we were made by God, have a purpose given to us by God for this world, for example, we all have the purpose of bringing more people to God, to shine Gods light. So if it is in our best interest (well mine anyway.) to stay and fulfill our purpose
Just my point of view.

 

[Reality]

This is very informative.

3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1) - YouTube

 

[teuful_hunden]

Have you ever heard of living in the moment? While it is really a Jewish thing, atheists seem to do it too.

It's still pointless. it doesn't matter if you live in the moment or think of later in the end if their is only oblivion after your death then there is no real point to even living your life

 

[teuful_hunden]

The OP I feel, might be calling out for help, I've noticed them tell of how much pain there is in life and in fact how there is so much pain that without the promise of heaven it would be better to kill themselves. If this is true, I would like us to help them. I Probly wouldn't be the best one to turn to, but if you tell us what is upsetting you so much, I'm sure someone will respond.

What is upsetting me is I dont understand their desire to live when there is nothing and no one can seem to give me a reason for why their life can possibly have meaning if all there is after their life is nothing

 

[teuful_hunden]

You seem to think that we all live in pain and therefore should take an early exit to escape it. My guess is that you live in pain and are looking for arguments on why/why not escape it. That would be my first area to explore, why is it you feel you are in such pain?

To answer the question, remember, as a Christian you are subject to attack. I've always thought you could tell how 'high' someone is in the realm of God by how hard hell works to hold them under. Athiests don't need holding under, the world generally treats those who embrace it with wine women and song. So no I wouldn't assume them to be in such pain as you put them in.

Too, even tho they don't go on, their world and progeny do. Just because life beyond means nothing to them doesn't mean it means nothing to them now.

Given the education and experience in the spiritual realm that God has blessed me with, I long to die. I don't believe, I know. I promised God I wouldn't try to shortcut the process by my own hand again, but yeah I see people pass on and think you lucky b@$#3&d. Up there partying before the Throne of God. I watch people... well, don't get me started on this! If you truly know and understand what lies beyond, yeah physical death is welcome, in it's own time.

Difference between the two of us is; I want to die to be with God, you want to die to escape the pain. I hope I and the community here can help you with that.

ok basically what you are saying is their progeny keeps going on and on no? Well when our extinction event happens then we might as well have never existed.

 

[teuful_hunden]

I dont agree with a lot of what reality has said but that graph about the christian dark ages is pretty accurate. Hopefully society learns from having a world governed by religion and never goes back to that.

and if it hadn't been religion it would have been something else. People are the suck in general and most of those in power simply used the church as a means of advancement. Just because one is religious does not mean one suppresses intellect.

 

[GreenNnice]

I think for many, they are chasing the lust of the flesh.

Ephesians 4:22
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;

This is an assumption, jimdig , sure, the Word says what it says, 'course , you did say, 'I think.'

Watch the video first before you remark please. As long as you are happy then there is a point to life.

Why don't you ask why people of other faiths choose to live? According to your beliefs where do they end
up going after they die? What's the point in that?

I 'liked' this post because reality is being genuine, this (atheism) is how he believes, and, he, although diametrically opposed to a belief in Christ, is, at least, being sincere.
The corruption and lust after greed, malice, gluttony, etc. deadly sins is at the core of what many think atheists are after, but, is this true?

Can an atheist be a 'good' person? Married, or, not, with a clean life, going to movies, not anything lusty even, hey, maybe being more 'Christian' in appearance of life than a real believing Christian.

Also, is it helpful to an atheist, you think, to tell them that they MUST believe in something , they can't believe in nothing. Why not? Why can't they think this way? God gave them a brain to think.

Anyway, not knocking and Christ folowers ways of serving Him, just their 'witness.' Love others. If what's said can be said in Love, the Lord leads, but, yeah, by all means , say it

Can their disbelief stem from bad experiences regarding religion ? , like some have said, choices earlier that hurt them, like having been abused by a follower of Christ, or, just not able to see Jesus as real, so, stopped, or, just very 'scientific' and prooftext minded and there mind simply sees no proof.

 

[jimmydiggs]

This is an assumption

It's not a mere assumption. Scripture testifies quite well, that man is indeed rather wicked. Surely you aren't into the whole, "man is basically good, it's his behavior that lets him down" garbage.

 

[GreenNnice]

It's not a mere assumption. Scripture testifies quite well, that man is indeed rather wicked. Surely you aren't into the whole, "man is basically good, it's his behavior that lets him down" garbage.

True, I knew you would come back at this, jimdig, and man is 'wicked,' their heart is evil, to the core, but, God is good, to the core.

What was I saying then? Chasing after the flesh is true enough, we both know that, but, to assume it is true for an atheist I see counterproductive to what God calls us to: Love

 

[jimmydiggs]

What was I saying then? Chasing after the flesh is true enough, we both know that, but, to assume it is true for an atheist I see counterproductive to what God calls us to: Love

So you think it more loving for a doctor to not inform you of your terminal illness?

I will not back down from telling the truth of scripture, just because you think it "might not be the loving thing to say", as is so common today.

I do not simply assume, scripture says that it is indeed true.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

 

[GreenNnice]

So you think it more loving for a doctor to not inform you of your terminal illness?

I will not back down from telling the truth of scripture, just because you think it "might not be the loving thing to say", as is so common today.

I do not simply assume, scripture says that it is indeed true.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Never back down from His leading, jimdig, can we just leave it at 1 Sam. 16:7 , for in this verse all of man's 'assumptions' can be seen .

There is nothing you say above either I am truly attacking, your opinion is seen, it is good, I just made a call for discretion, that is all

 

[jimmydiggs]

can we just leave it at 1 Sam. 16:7 , for in this verse all of man's 'assumptions' can be seen .

I have not erred against 1 Sam. 16:7.


7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

If you recall, I cited Ephesians 4:22 and Romans 1, which speaks on the condition of the heart.

 

[RickyZ]

ok basically what you are saying is their progeny keeps going on and on no? Well when our extinction event happens then we might as well have never existed.

Define what you mean by 'extinction event'.

For those who die without God then yes it would be better had they never been born than to spemd eternity in 'hell'. But those without God will never see that here and now because they assume life (progeny) goes on forever, and therefore will work towards improving mankinds lot here and now.

But I still can't help feeling there's a bigger issue being danced around here...

 

[GreenNnice]

I have not erred against 1 Sam. 16:7.


7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

If you recall, I cited Ephesians 4:22 and Romans 1, which speaks on the condition of the heart.

No, you have not erred, that was never said, you made an 'assumption' that I said an atheist could see as not of them , as, like I said, SOME atheists 'chase after the flesh,' in their mind, so, Yes, sexual immorality etc, God looks down on gravely, SAME as Sodom and Gomorrah time in old testament.

Define what you mean by 'extinction event'.

For those who die without God then yes it would be better had they never been born than to spemd eternity in 'hell'. But those without God will never see that here and now because they assume life (progeny) goes on forever, and therefore will work towards improving mankinds lot here and now.

But I still can't help feeling there's a bigger issue being danced around here...

True, bigger issues , in all likelihood, whether its abuses of some kind, debt bondage, etc., of which our making assumptions is counterproductive to their life. We are to show Love, my 'doves.'

Christ peeps, an atheist is harmless compared to some, they are not speaking of Mohammed and Koran Satanic teachings, they are speaking of, well, Hmm, they are speaking of NO teachings grounding their life. This is astounding thought in itself, but, nonetheless, it's how they are choosing to do earthly life, their choosing not to believe in Life as we know it.
Don't be shrewd , be open, honest, say things to atheists on c.c. of which you know is unserpenty and shrewdless as possible, as He leads you to this understanding of Truth, your 'vessel' thirsting to be buoyed and moved at such a time as t(His)

 

[Tethered]

The 'ultimately pointless' argument
being heralded over
'valuing temporary life'

...is really an argument saying "your not allowed to value a temporary life " because I can't value a temporary life (even if you didn't have God's afterlife promise).
I choose my values.