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hi Ken.
i know you say we stopped receiving them. and again, i deny that God can be stopped. He can not be blocked by anything. everything works exactly the way He wills it.
eph. says until completion (perfection), maturity. it's this word perfect again.
Jude said "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints."
Jude 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
we agreed early on that church history as a whole does not show a continuation.
the only thing we have that suggests it are accounts of mystics and ecstatics. and much of that is from the Catholic church. we have mystics today as well.
as for suppressing tongues; that was about them, then. and the tongues were known gentile languages. The Lord was preparing for this:
Mark 16:15
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation."
"proclaim the gospel" < this is done through the languages we have. ppl have to be able to understand what is said. the ppl in the age of Pentecost and the apostolic era took off for the nations, with all the languages of the gentiles (nations). they preached the gospel, the wonderful works of God.
a reversal of the confusion/confounding of man's plan to build the tower.
a reversal of the slowing down of humanity's ability to communicate and gather together in rebellion.....the institution of varying of human languages at Babel (by God).
i guess it's Glossolalia we should look at.
love zone
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I heard the tongues of angels and the tongues of men
And it wasn't any difference to me
BOB DYLAN - DIGNITY
i know you say we stopped receiving them. and again, i deny that God can be stopped. He can not be blocked by anything. everything works exactly the way He wills it.
eph. says until completion (perfection), maturity. it's this word perfect again.
Jude said "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints."
Jude 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
we agreed early on that church history as a whole does not show a continuation.
the only thing we have that suggests it are accounts of mystics and ecstatics. and much of that is from the Catholic church. we have mystics today as well.
as for suppressing tongues; that was about them, then. and the tongues were known gentile languages. The Lord was preparing for this:
Mark 16:15
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation."
"proclaim the gospel" < this is done through the languages we have. ppl have to be able to understand what is said. the ppl in the age of Pentecost and the apostolic era took off for the nations, with all the languages of the gentiles (nations). they preached the gospel, the wonderful works of God.
a reversal of the confusion/confounding of man's plan to build the tower.
a reversal of the slowing down of humanity's ability to communicate and gather together in rebellion.....the institution of varying of human languages at Babel (by God).
i guess it's Glossolalia we should look at.
love zone
~
I heard the tongues of angels and the tongues of men
And it wasn't any difference to me
BOB DYLAN - DIGNITY
Have you ever received delivery of a package you did not wish to open? If someone warns you it may be a bomb for example...and that's what the RC church did to the faith of its people. Many of the "saints" described in Jude may have stayed away from the church, and taken their faith to their monasteries or their homes. The use of tongues and prophecy by them would never have been recorded. The mystics and ecstatics are the ones who made enough noise to get a complaint that the RC administration needed to investigate (this is how the RC still handles Mary apparitions and healing to this day). The passage of the RC law in the 900's that all tongues are to be assumed of Satan is proof they were still seeing someone do glossolalia.
If the tongues of Corinthians was known Gentile languages, why does Paul say they cannot be understood? Why not just say what Luther said, that worship should be in the language with which the people attending were most familiar. Why link them with prophecy, and how do they build up the individual?
I agree that "proclaim the gospel" refers to learning the various languages of the world. I have heard some say that the languages were learned instantaneously; that the evangelists just prayed in tongues, and the people understood. I doubt it, at least not very often. I mean, what would they do when someone had a question?
I was going to quote Bob Dylan for you, "The Times They Are a-Changing'": "Come poets and authors who prophesy with your pens..." He must have meant the word differently than Paul used it?
We can look at glossolalia. I believe what happens today is identical to what happened in Corinth. Mostly nonsense syllables, occasionally inspiring an "interpretation", and occasionally someone knows them as his childhood language.