I don't believe in Evolution. It is just very crazy to believe that this extremely complex universe created from a coincidence. the more you study about living creatures, the more you realise that they are very well designed, some body should have planned them meticulously just to have them live and function like the way they live now.
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Sorry, I was talking about the big bang theory when I talked about the universe, cause most scientists (not all though) also believe in big bang theory as well as they believe the evolution. Evolution theory says that you start this live from a cell in the ocean (an algae) and then it kept improving by itself untill it became more developed creature and then fooollllaaaa monkeys turned into human. i'm sorry but it just doesn't make any sense for me. If it is only adaptation thing that makes some part of your body change for a little bit just because of the weather or climate or the lifestyle or the food, then it's fine for me. but if you say we are coming from an algae, i disagree with that. even some archeologysts have found some human fossil in the same soil layer with dynosaurus, meaning that from the beginning, they have lived together. humans didn't exist after the monkeys...
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Yeah I'll agree that the majority of respected scientists agree with both scientific theories, but lets just stick to the theory of Evolution for now. it makes it easier so we don't jump to different things. Algae is a very complicated organism we didn't evolve directly from it. We also didn't evolve from monkeys. We progressed over billions of years adding up the small variations which survived by natural selection.
Monkeys and humans exist right now we are linked by a common ancestor not directly descended from them, also the dinosaur and human footprints were debunked a while ago even creationists don't use it as an example.
Monkeys and humans exist right now we are linked by a common ancestor not directly descended from them, also the dinosaur and human footprints were debunked a while ago even creationists don't use it as an example.
[FONT="]This is what they say about the time line of evolution in wikipedia:[/FONT]
[FONT="]“Evolution of life[/FONT]
[FONT="]Main articles: Evolutionary history of life and Timeline of evolution[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Evolutionary tree showing the divergence of modern species from their common ancestor in the centre.[254] The three domains are coloured, with bacteria blue, archaea green and eukaryotes red.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Prokaryotes inhabited the Earth from approximately 3–4 billion years ago.[255][256] No obvious changes in morphology or cellular organisation occurred in these organisms over the next few billion years.[257] The eukaryotic cells emerged between 1.6 – 2.7 billion years ago. The next major change in cell structure came when bacteria were engulfed by eukaryotic cells, in a cooperative association called endosymbiosis.[258][259] The engulfed bacteria and the host cell then underwent co-evolution, with the bacteria evolving into either mitochondria or hydrogenosomes.[260] Another engulfment of cyanobacterial-like organisms led to the formation of chloroplasts in algae and plants.[261][/FONT]
[FONT="]The history of life was that of the unicellular eukaryotes, prokaryotes and archaea until about 610 million years ago when multicellular organisms began to appear in the oceans in the Ediacaran period.[255][262] The evolution of multicellularity occurred in multiple independent events, in organisms as diverse as sponges, brown algae, cyanobacteria, slime moulds and myxobacteria.[263][/FONT]
[FONT="]Soon after the emergence of these first multicellular organisms, a remarkable amount of biological diversity appeared over approximately 10 million years, in an event called the Cambrian explosion. Here, the majority of types of modern animals appeared in the fossil record, as well as unique lineages that subsequently became extinct.[264] Various triggers for the Cambrian explosion have been proposed, including the accumulation of oxygen in the atmosphere from photosynthesis.[265][/FONT]
[FONT="]About 500 million years ago, plants and fungi colonised the land and were soon followed by arthropods and other animals.[266] Insects were particularly successful and even today make up the majority of animal species.[267] Amphibians first appeared around 364 million years ago, followed by early amniotes and birds around 155 million years ago (both from "reptile"-like lineages), mammals around 129 million years ago, homininae around 10 million years ago and modern humans around 250,000 years ago.[268][269][270] However, despite the evolution of these large animals, smaller organisms similar to the types that evolved early in this process continue to be highly successful and dominate the Earth, with the majority of both biomass and species being prokaryotes.”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Therefore, clearly, they are saying that it started from a protozoa then the mutation by environment pressures lead to speciation which caused a more developed species again again and again until modern human appeared (in the animal kingdom). [/FONT]
[FONT="]Have you ever seen any body who can show us a process (by natural selection or by any other cause) when a mutation dramatically changing the DNA of a species turn into the DNA of a new different living species? I’ve never seen any body do that. So, I don’t want to debate with you bro, I just want to vote for God's creation because I believe in the living God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]“Evolution of life[/FONT]
[FONT="]Main articles: Evolutionary history of life and Timeline of evolution[/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="]Evolutionary tree showing the divergence of modern species from their common ancestor in the centre.[254] The three domains are coloured, with bacteria blue, archaea green and eukaryotes red.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Prokaryotes inhabited the Earth from approximately 3–4 billion years ago.[255][256] No obvious changes in morphology or cellular organisation occurred in these organisms over the next few billion years.[257] The eukaryotic cells emerged between 1.6 – 2.7 billion years ago. The next major change in cell structure came when bacteria were engulfed by eukaryotic cells, in a cooperative association called endosymbiosis.[258][259] The engulfed bacteria and the host cell then underwent co-evolution, with the bacteria evolving into either mitochondria or hydrogenosomes.[260] Another engulfment of cyanobacterial-like organisms led to the formation of chloroplasts in algae and plants.[261][/FONT]
[FONT="]The history of life was that of the unicellular eukaryotes, prokaryotes and archaea until about 610 million years ago when multicellular organisms began to appear in the oceans in the Ediacaran period.[255][262] The evolution of multicellularity occurred in multiple independent events, in organisms as diverse as sponges, brown algae, cyanobacteria, slime moulds and myxobacteria.[263][/FONT]
[FONT="]Soon after the emergence of these first multicellular organisms, a remarkable amount of biological diversity appeared over approximately 10 million years, in an event called the Cambrian explosion. Here, the majority of types of modern animals appeared in the fossil record, as well as unique lineages that subsequently became extinct.[264] Various triggers for the Cambrian explosion have been proposed, including the accumulation of oxygen in the atmosphere from photosynthesis.[265][/FONT]
[FONT="]About 500 million years ago, plants and fungi colonised the land and were soon followed by arthropods and other animals.[266] Insects were particularly successful and even today make up the majority of animal species.[267] Amphibians first appeared around 364 million years ago, followed by early amniotes and birds around 155 million years ago (both from "reptile"-like lineages), mammals around 129 million years ago, homininae around 10 million years ago and modern humans around 250,000 years ago.[268][269][270] However, despite the evolution of these large animals, smaller organisms similar to the types that evolved early in this process continue to be highly successful and dominate the Earth, with the majority of both biomass and species being prokaryotes.”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Therefore, clearly, they are saying that it started from a protozoa then the mutation by environment pressures lead to speciation which caused a more developed species again again and again until modern human appeared (in the animal kingdom). [/FONT]
[FONT="]Have you ever seen any body who can show us a process (by natural selection or by any other cause) when a mutation dramatically changing the DNA of a species turn into the DNA of a new different living species? I’ve never seen any body do that. So, I don’t want to debate with you bro, I just want to vote for God's creation because I believe in the living God.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]This is what they say about the time line of evolution in wikipedia:[/FONT]
[FONT="]“Evolution of life[/FONT]
[FONT="]Main articles: Evolutionary history of life and Timeline of evolution[/FONT]
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[FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Evolutionary tree showing the divergence of modern species from their common ancestor in the centre.[254] The three domains are coloured, with bacteria blue, archaea green and eukaryotes red.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Prokaryotes inhabited the Earth from approximately 3–4 billion years ago.[255][256] No obvious changes in morphology or cellular organisation occurred in these organisms over the next few billion years.[257] The eukaryotic cells emerged between 1.6 – 2.7 billion years ago. The next major change in cell structure came when bacteria were engulfed by eukaryotic cells, in a cooperative association called endosymbiosis.[258][259] The engulfed bacteria and the host cell then underwent co-evolution, with the bacteria evolving into either mitochondria or hydrogenosomes.[260] Another engulfment of cyanobacterial-like organisms led to the formation of chloroplasts in algae and plants.[261][/FONT]
[FONT="]The history of life was that of the unicellular eukaryotes, prokaryotes and archaea until about 610 million years ago when multicellular organisms began to appear in the oceans in the Ediacaran period.[255][262] The evolution of multicellularity occurred in multiple independent events, in organisms as diverse as sponges, brown algae, cyanobacteria, slime moulds and myxobacteria.[263][/FONT]
[FONT="]Soon after the emergence of these first multicellular organisms, a remarkable amount of biological diversity appeared over approximately 10 million years, in an event called the Cambrian explosion. Here, the majority of types of modern animals appeared in the fossil record, as well as unique lineages that subsequently became extinct.[264] Various triggers for the Cambrian explosion have been proposed, including the accumulation of oxygen in the atmosphere from photosynthesis.[265][/FONT]
[FONT="]About 500 million years ago, plants and fungi colonised the land and were soon followed by arthropods and other animals.[266] Insects were particularly successful and even today make up the majority of animal species.[267] Amphibians first appeared around 364 million years ago, followed by early amniotes and birds around 155 million years ago (both from "reptile"-like lineages), mammals around 129 million years ago, homininae around 10 million years ago and modern humans around 250,000 years ago.[268][269][270] However, despite the evolution of these large animals, smaller organisms similar to the types that evolved early in this process continue to be highly successful and dominate the Earth, with the majority of both biomass and species being prokaryotes.”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Therefore, clearly, they are saying that it started from a protozoa then the mutation by environment pressures lead to speciation which caused a more developed species again again and again until modern human appeared (in the animal kingdom). [/FONT]
[FONT="]Have you ever seen any body who can show us a process (by natural selection or by any other cause) when a mutation dramatically changing the DNA of a species turn into the DNA of a new different living species? I’ve never seen any body do that. So, I don’t want to debate with you bro, I just want to vote for God's creation because I believe in the living God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]“Evolution of life[/FONT]
[FONT="]Main articles: Evolutionary history of life and Timeline of evolution[/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="]Evolutionary tree showing the divergence of modern species from their common ancestor in the centre.[254] The three domains are coloured, with bacteria blue, archaea green and eukaryotes red.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Prokaryotes inhabited the Earth from approximately 3–4 billion years ago.[255][256] No obvious changes in morphology or cellular organisation occurred in these organisms over the next few billion years.[257] The eukaryotic cells emerged between 1.6 – 2.7 billion years ago. The next major change in cell structure came when bacteria were engulfed by eukaryotic cells, in a cooperative association called endosymbiosis.[258][259] The engulfed bacteria and the host cell then underwent co-evolution, with the bacteria evolving into either mitochondria or hydrogenosomes.[260] Another engulfment of cyanobacterial-like organisms led to the formation of chloroplasts in algae and plants.[261][/FONT]
[FONT="]The history of life was that of the unicellular eukaryotes, prokaryotes and archaea until about 610 million years ago when multicellular organisms began to appear in the oceans in the Ediacaran period.[255][262] The evolution of multicellularity occurred in multiple independent events, in organisms as diverse as sponges, brown algae, cyanobacteria, slime moulds and myxobacteria.[263][/FONT]
[FONT="]Soon after the emergence of these first multicellular organisms, a remarkable amount of biological diversity appeared over approximately 10 million years, in an event called the Cambrian explosion. Here, the majority of types of modern animals appeared in the fossil record, as well as unique lineages that subsequently became extinct.[264] Various triggers for the Cambrian explosion have been proposed, including the accumulation of oxygen in the atmosphere from photosynthesis.[265][/FONT]
[FONT="]About 500 million years ago, plants and fungi colonised the land and were soon followed by arthropods and other animals.[266] Insects were particularly successful and even today make up the majority of animal species.[267] Amphibians first appeared around 364 million years ago, followed by early amniotes and birds around 155 million years ago (both from "reptile"-like lineages), mammals around 129 million years ago, homininae around 10 million years ago and modern humans around 250,000 years ago.[268][269][270] However, despite the evolution of these large animals, smaller organisms similar to the types that evolved early in this process continue to be highly successful and dominate the Earth, with the majority of both biomass and species being prokaryotes.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]Therefore, clearly, they are saying that it started from a protozoa then the mutation by environment pressures lead to speciation which caused a more developed species again again and again until modern human appeared (in the animal kingdom). [/FONT]
[FONT="]Have you ever seen any body who can show us a process (by natural selection or by any other cause) when a mutation dramatically changing the DNA of a species turn into the DNA of a new different living species? I’ve never seen any body do that. So, I don’t want to debate with you bro, I just want to vote for God's creation because I believe in the living God.[/FONT]
1)in the timeline of the evolution: it starts with protozoa and then algae, plants, slime moulds, and animals (including human). 2) i have read the evolution books for an assignment, but here i quoted from wikipedia so everybody can just easily have a quick check by themselves. not every body have access for those books.3)I'm sorry if my english is very bad and makes you confused, the reason i asked that last question is just to show that i don't believe to people who say that natural selection can cause speciation. Anyway, thanks for leave it there, because I will always believe in God, and thanks for responding my posts.
'A day is as a thousand years'
Forever, eternity, eternal - Greek, Aeon - a long period of time of no explicit length, with beginning and end.
'Six days'
Hebrew - 24 hour day, the time it takes from sunrise to sunset, indefinite period of time, equal in measure (hyperbolic).
What order did God create things?
What order does science say the Earth was made?
Blackness comes to something, by the words of God's mouth.
Stars are crafted, suns and moons.
Sky and land and sea.
Plants and animals.
Men.
Forever, eternity, eternal - Greek, Aeon - a long period of time of no explicit length, with beginning and end.
'Six days'
Hebrew - 24 hour day, the time it takes from sunrise to sunset, indefinite period of time, equal in measure (hyperbolic).
What order did God create things?
What order does science say the Earth was made?
Blackness comes to something, by the words of God's mouth.
Stars are crafted, suns and moons.
Sky and land and sea.
Plants and animals.
Men.
Biogenesis (creating life from chemicals) is scientifically impossible.
Energy cannot be created, so where did the energy for the bang come from? Science cannot answer.
The earth is finely balanced. We are the exact distance from the sun that we do not freeze over nor burn up. The moon is only slightly different, also in gravity, yet it is totally uninhabitable as it has no atmosphere.
Science actually points to the fact that we are so in tune, in such an immaculately balanced universe (which, by the way, there was never a need for it to be), that there must be a perfect design.
Particles and atoms hold much of the keys.
As does gender. There was no need for single celled micro-organisms to form into gender. Nor to do anything other than separate and live.
The human body has a type of antibody cell for every known pathogen (though some do not activate) even if we have never been in contact with it.
The human mind is leagues above any animal counterpart (and no helper was found for him), so much as for us to study our own existence. Yet we choose to harvest what is weaker than us and kill it for profits.
there are no scientific, indisputable facts which dispute the bible's creation story in any way.
there's more and I could go on all day, but I have to go unfortunately.
Energy cannot be created, so where did the energy for the bang come from? Science cannot answer.
The earth is finely balanced. We are the exact distance from the sun that we do not freeze over nor burn up. The moon is only slightly different, also in gravity, yet it is totally uninhabitable as it has no atmosphere.
Science actually points to the fact that we are so in tune, in such an immaculately balanced universe (which, by the way, there was never a need for it to be), that there must be a perfect design.
Particles and atoms hold much of the keys.
As does gender. There was no need for single celled micro-organisms to form into gender. Nor to do anything other than separate and live.
The human body has a type of antibody cell for every known pathogen (though some do not activate) even if we have never been in contact with it.
The human mind is leagues above any animal counterpart (and no helper was found for him), so much as for us to study our own existence. Yet we choose to harvest what is weaker than us and kill it for profits.
there are no scientific, indisputable facts which dispute the bible's creation story in any way.
there's more and I could go on all day, but I have to go unfortunately.
How is it scientifically impossible? The process of coming to something that would be considered as "life" coming from systems that are not considered "life" is far from impossible. The issue with calling things "life" is that there is no clear definition of what life is. The scientific community is divided on the matter even other things like viruses. Many papers are written and studies done on this matter of abiogenesis are done every year. There is a paper that was recently released that helps explain how abiogenesis may have occured. -> Cell - The Origin of Membrane Bioenergetics. It might be useful to look at the following links to help understand the paper:
Abiogenic Hydrocarbon Production at Lost City Hydrothermal Field
Lost City (hydrothermal field) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Life's First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory | Wired Science | Wired.com
Origin of life emerged from cell membrane bioenergetics
Currently we do not know of the means of studying such a thing. It may never be possible to know the answer. The only honest answer people can give is "I don't know". Nothing else can be deduced from this.
Another little unimportant tidbit is that the law of conservation of matter-energy because of the recent discovery of the increasingly expanding speed of the universe has come under question.
"Exact distance"? The earth's distance from the sun changes heavily throughout the year. Life would also probably exist if it was currently in Mars' orbit. Plus the earth isn't in any sort of perfect balance since there are occasionally mass extinction events.
Fine tuned to do what? Balanced in what sense?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0FiwfyUMM This video words my objection to this better than I currently can.
Do you have a source for this? I am pretty sure it is untrue.
Abiogenic Hydrocarbon Production at Lost City Hydrothermal Field
Lost City (hydrothermal field) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Life's First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory | Wired Science | Wired.com
Origin of life emerged from cell membrane bioenergetics
Currently we do not know of the means of studying such a thing. It may never be possible to know the answer. The only honest answer people can give is "I don't know". Nothing else can be deduced from this.
Another little unimportant tidbit is that the law of conservation of matter-energy because of the recent discovery of the increasingly expanding speed of the universe has come under question.
"Exact distance"? The earth's distance from the sun changes heavily throughout the year. Life would also probably exist if it was currently in Mars' orbit. Plus the earth isn't in any sort of perfect balance since there are occasionally mass extinction events.
Fine tuned to do what? Balanced in what sense?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0FiwfyUMM This video words my objection to this better than I currently can.
Do you have a source for this? I am pretty sure it is untrue.
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Thank you, this is MOST interesting. I have never heard this sort of thing before (the adam and eve part.) "for Me" this puts a whole NEW perspective on the table concerning the atheist. It would be a good argument to present......IF they were indeed reasonable enough to consider it. *a note to any atheist who may read this and take offense: DON'T! i'm speaking from an observational standpoint, not a judgemental one. Love and Peace to ALL
Who is ever to say that Adam and Eve were created as adults?
Nowhere does the bible give reference to this.
In the beginning, there was only God, and then everything came from God.
The periods of time mentioned in Hebrew equate to the Greek 'Aeon'. 6 Aeons. For how is a day defined when neither sun nor earth exist on the first 'day'?
'And no helper was found for him'. The animals were made BEFORE Adam. And he was to pick a helper from them but none was suitable (as an animal is not suitable 'pairiing' for a man), and so Eve was made from him.
He created them male and female that they may become one flesh, subdue the Earth and walk with God, as they were made from one flesh.
Separated for purpose. Brought together by their means and their end was, and is, that they are as one flesh, although 2 very distinct and separate entities.
As we are we to God. To be his brides.
And their sons were separate, yet altogether 'humanity', as Jesus is to humans 'Lord', and the Father is to everything 'God'.
There is a relation to everything.
God made the laws of physics and so the laws of physics are infallible 'on this Earth'.
Everything was designed by God. So the way that particales move inside atoms, or light and heat radiate through vacuums, that is God's work. God's design.
Science does not have to be in contradiction to God. God created the Earth, and the moon, stars, universe as it is. And science is just the practice of studying it. Cause and effect.
Nowhere does the bible give reference to this.
In the beginning, there was only God, and then everything came from God.
The periods of time mentioned in Hebrew equate to the Greek 'Aeon'. 6 Aeons. For how is a day defined when neither sun nor earth exist on the first 'day'?
'And no helper was found for him'. The animals were made BEFORE Adam. And he was to pick a helper from them but none was suitable (as an animal is not suitable 'pairiing' for a man), and so Eve was made from him.
He created them male and female that they may become one flesh, subdue the Earth and walk with God, as they were made from one flesh.
Separated for purpose. Brought together by their means and their end was, and is, that they are as one flesh, although 2 very distinct and separate entities.
As we are we to God. To be his brides.
And their sons were separate, yet altogether 'humanity', as Jesus is to humans 'Lord', and the Father is to everything 'God'.
There is a relation to everything.
God made the laws of physics and so the laws of physics are infallible 'on this Earth'.
Everything was designed by God. So the way that particales move inside atoms, or light and heat radiate through vacuums, that is God's work. God's design.
Science does not have to be in contradiction to God. God created the Earth, and the moon, stars, universe as it is. And science is just the practice of studying it. Cause and effect.
I don’t know why some Christians have such a big headache with the theory of evolution. It doesn’t disprove the existence of a creator and in some instances can support the existence of a creator. It’s just that evolution has often been used as a tool by Atheists to deny the existence of God.
In science there are theories and laws. The theory of gravity eventually became the law of gravity when it was proved by experiment and could be rationalised and made practical by the use of a mathematical equation to support it. The fact that evolution is still a theory shows that science has yet to honour it with the title of a law.
If I was to say, for example, that the fact that one single species, the domestic dog can change into so many amazing and different varieties (look at the differences between Chihuahuas and Great Danes for example ) in just a few generations proves the non-existence of intelligent design, I would be wrong.
This marvellous transformation of the domestic dog occurred by intelligent and wilful manipulation by human beings who deliberately bred dogs to suit their needs. ‘Doggy’ breeds didn’t occur by mere chance. Who is to say therefore that evolution occurs by mere chance?
Likewise just because there is some sort of casual half-evidence that the design of apes is similar to the design of human beings does not throw God out of the discussion. Who’s to say that God didn’t design things in stages and maybe even experiment as he went along? God hasn’t told us everything about how he created the Universe, the World and all that’s in it, otherwise Genesis would be the longest book that has ever been written!
Even if evolution turns out to be a scientific pack or lies, it doesn’t matter anymore than whether there is scientific truth in it or not. It should have no bearing on whether God exists or not. It is only the common politics behind evolution that Christians should be concerned about.
In science there are theories and laws. The theory of gravity eventually became the law of gravity when it was proved by experiment and could be rationalised and made practical by the use of a mathematical equation to support it. The fact that evolution is still a theory shows that science has yet to honour it with the title of a law.
If I was to say, for example, that the fact that one single species, the domestic dog can change into so many amazing and different varieties (look at the differences between Chihuahuas and Great Danes for example ) in just a few generations proves the non-existence of intelligent design, I would be wrong.
This marvellous transformation of the domestic dog occurred by intelligent and wilful manipulation by human beings who deliberately bred dogs to suit their needs. ‘Doggy’ breeds didn’t occur by mere chance. Who is to say therefore that evolution occurs by mere chance?
Likewise just because there is some sort of casual half-evidence that the design of apes is similar to the design of human beings does not throw God out of the discussion. Who’s to say that God didn’t design things in stages and maybe even experiment as he went along? God hasn’t told us everything about how he created the Universe, the World and all that’s in it, otherwise Genesis would be the longest book that has ever been written!
Even if evolution turns out to be a scientific pack or lies, it doesn’t matter anymore than whether there is scientific truth in it or not. It should have no bearing on whether God exists or not. It is only the common politics behind evolution that Christians should be concerned about.
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Theories do not graduate to laws. Laws are facts which tell you what something is, theories are explanations for those things, they do not turn into laws when enough facts are found, theories are the highest standard of an explanation in the scientific community. The law of gravitation is not a 'more proven' version of the theory of gravity. The co-exist and the laws are found in the theory, but the theory itself does not turn into a law.
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I believe God made us and our world in six days some thousands of years ago. I believe this is supported by the Bible and by scripture.
That being said evolution is not ridiculous. It's kind of bleak and disturbing, but the basic elements of it (DNA, mutation, natural selection, heredity) are all true, if not exclusively true. But lacking a God-centering to their Universe they take this basic evidence (which indicates nothing more than that man has a material aspect) and spin it out into a naturalistic pagan religion about the Earth Mother.
That being said evolution is not ridiculous. It's kind of bleak and disturbing, but the basic elements of it (DNA, mutation, natural selection, heredity) are all true, if not exclusively true. But lacking a God-centering to their Universe they take this basic evidence (which indicates nothing more than that man has a material aspect) and spin it out into a naturalistic pagan religion about the Earth Mother.