How can we be 100% sure that God is not the same god in other religions?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
S

Shaije

Guest
No, there is one God who simultaneously is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as a man can be simultaneously a father, son, and wife. Sometimes we need the Father. Sometimes we need the Son. Sometimes we need the Holy Spirit. God is all of these things, but he is just one being, not three.
Jesus the CHRIST is the Only Way to the Father. I am seriously worried for you. PLEASE study your Bible. You cannot afford to lean on "your own' understanding, or to be mislead by silly notions. Yes we were commanded to love God, and one another....but it is *By FAITH---Through GRACE* that we are saved, and that not of our "selves." Following Gods commandments DOES NOT save us. Only the BLOOD of CHRIST has the Power unto Salvation, it is a Gift. We CANNOT earn it! We can do nothing to attain it, it has been given "FREELY' to "WHOSOEVER" shall "BELIEVE">>>I pray in Jesus Mighty and Precious Name that HE show You the error, and the folly of your childlike thinking. FAITH + NOTHING = SALVATION
 
J

jimmydiggs

Guest
If I'm wrong, then who performed the miracles?
Which miracles are in question?


On the matter of miracles in general...

Imitation "miracles" can be performed.

We see examples all throughout scripture, and they always come from evil sources.


The Magicians of Egypt:
Exodus 7
22-25 But the magicians of Egypt did the same thing with their incantations. Still Pharaoh remained stubborn. He wouldn’t listen to them as God had said. He turned on his heel and went home, never giving it a second thought. But all the Egyptians had to dig inland from the river for water because they couldn’t drink the Nile water.

Exodus 8:7
7 But again the magicians did the same thing using their incantations—they also produced frogs in Egypt.

Interestingly about the Egyptian Magicians, is that even they recognize "miracles" can be performed by people other than God.

Exodus 8:18-19
18 The magicians tried to produce gnats with their incantations but this time they couldn’t do it. There were gnats everywhere, all over people and animals.

19 The magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is God’s doing.” But Pharaoh was stubborn and wouldn’t listen. Just as God had said.



There's only one Gods, correct?
God*



Romans 13:1-2

13*Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2*Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.[/QUOTE]
 
J

jimmydiggs

Guest
Do you worship what you eat?
Spiritual, yes.

Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

I don't think he's eating the same bread. ;)

John 6:35
Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
 
S

smithbr8

Guest
God knows who are His and who aren't.
So children are not saved. Because they didn't accept him as their savior. According to scripture, that is what God would choose to have happen to children who die, right? What age is the age of accountability? 7? So any child who dies on their 7th birthday is then damned for not declaring Christ their savior?
 

Grandpa

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,190
113
So simply put, we are to love our enemies but God doesn't love His???.
We are subject to vanity. God isn't.

And if the flesh PROFITS NOTHING, why then base OUR MOST PRECIOUS GIFT in the death of that flesh?
Because we need to be born again, born by God. Why even put that verse in there about being condemned if a person doesn't believe Jesus if its not true in the end??

Why would Jesus Say depart from me for I never knew you, if it were not true in the end??

Why did the Lord say to the Pharisees that they were of their father, the devil?
If you don't believe in Jesus you are condemned already indeed.
I believe in the Lord Jesus and the power of His blood. Why some believe and others don't is beyond my comprehension. The only thing I know is that the light is too much for most people. They would rather the dark because of their deeds.

Now if Jesus took away the sins of the world BEFORE any of us were born, to then STILL call yourself or anyone else a sinner means you still are under wrath, as put on display here often as most would rather bite and devour one another.
The provision for sins being forgiven were before any of us were born. In order to receive the provision you must first believe in the Lord Jesus.

Many don't receive the Lord Jesus and thus bring condemnation onto their own selves...

I would rather it be the way you want it and everyone be saved in the end. But then why would Jesus have to come? Why wouldn't God just say "Don't worry everything will be alright in the end"..? Why go through all the trouble of having an entire book written and all the sacrifices etc...?
 
B

ByMercy

Guest
For example- on here, I'm smithbr8, to my brother I'm sister, to my mom I'm daughter. How can we be 100% absolutely sure that God and Allah are not the same person? That Buddha and God are not the same person, yet claim it's because God only has one name? Oh yea, Jesus and the HS are also God.....aren't those other names as well?
By the Holy Spirit.
Rom.8:16 Spirit beareth witness that we are children of God
1Jn.3:24b We know He abideth in us, by the Spirit
1Jn.4:13 Hereby know we that...He (dwelleth) in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit


All religions are all the same except Christianity and this is because our God is different from all the others. He talks to us, He hears us, He heals us, He helps us, He loves so much us,.........He is always with those who believe in Him by His spirit.
 
M

Malkut

Guest
Have you understood all these things?
 
J

jimmydiggs

Guest
So children are not saved. Because they didn't accept him as their savior. According to scripture, that is what God would choose to have happen to children who die, right? What age is the age of accountability? 7? So any child who dies on their 7th birthday is then damned for not declaring Christ their savior?
There's not much for an argument for an age of accountability.

Just leave it be to God. If he wants to save, he will. If he doesn't, he wont.
 
Dec 1, 2012
375
0
0
Which miracles are in question?


On the matter of miracles in general...

Imitation "miracles" can be performed.

We see examples all throughout scripture, and they always come from evil sources.


The Magicians of Egypt:
Exodus 7
22-25 But the magicians of Egypt did the same thing with their incantations. Still Pharaoh remained stubborn. He wouldn’t listen to them as God had said. He turned on his heel and went home, never giving it a second thought. But all the Egyptians had to dig inland from the river for water because they couldn’t drink the Nile water.

Exodus 8:7
7 But again the magicians did the same thing using their incantations—they also produced frogs in Egypt.

Interestingly about the Egyptian Magicians, is that even they recognize "miracles" can be performed by people other than God.

Exodus 8:18-19
18 The magicians tried to produce gnats with their incantations but this time they couldn’t do it. There were gnats everywhere, all over people and animals.

19 The magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is God’s doing.” But Pharaoh was stubborn and wouldn’t listen. Just as God had said.




God*



Romans 13:1-2

13*Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2*Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[/QUOTE]


I thought God created evil. Will you then call Him evil? I know what the egyptian magicians did. You all do it today. The christan preacher, the muslim, hindu, buddhist, jew, etc ALL can cast their staves down and perform these miracles according to their own teachings. Each one believing his particular god is superior to the other. Yet ONE Spirit did the work.
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
God is our Creator, Lord, and Savior.

God became Jesus long after the Jews had started worshiping him. The Jews still worship him. They do not believe Jesus is God, but does it matter? They still worship God. That is what Jesus directed US to do—worship God.
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple.

John 12:41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.

John 5
For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, 38 and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41 I do not receive glory from people. 42 But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44 How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
 
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
Galatians 1:6-9 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Another god, another gospel. Plain & simple
 
F

feedm3

Guest

And they said: "The most merciful he has taken a Son. Truly You came, a disastrous thing.” The heavens are well nigh (to) burst from Him and the earth she cleaves asunder and then later the mountains fall down into pieces violently with noise. That they called to the most merciful a Son. And that it is convenient to the most merciful that he takes a Son. 19.88 – 92



Contrary to popular Islamic thinking, these ayahs actually proclaim Jesus Christ as the “convenient” Son by first quoting what they said “qaloo”, and then shifting to the singular destruction which Jesus Christ brings during the end times as He opens the Seven seals of Revelation.



The passage says "and they say" which is meaning Jews and Christians, and the Koran teaches Allah has no son. Islam is based from the teachings of the Koran, which is why they reject it.

You have some liberal Muslims that try to use a play on words to re-interpret the meaning of what these passages say, trying to reconcile Islam with Christianity.

But any person reading the Koran in its correct interpretation can see it denies Christ as the Son, and the one who died.

The passages you are showing are doing just that.







 
U

unclefester

Guest
Statistics of the world's religions are only very rough approximations. Aside from Christianity, few religions, if any, attempt to keep statistical records; and even Protestants and Catholics employ different methods of counting members.

Religion Members Percentage
Christianity 2.1 billion 33.0%
Islam 1.5 billion 21
Hinduism 900 million 14
Buddhism 376 million 6
Sikhism 23 million 0.36
Judaism 14 million 0.22
Bahaism 7 million 0.1
Confucianism 6.3 million 0.1
Jainism 4.2 million 0.1
Shintoism 4 million 0.0


Now out of these rough statistics, 77% of the world is sure to be doomed. And worse still only christians call Jesus Lord and yet He Himself said that many of them, He did not know them!

I ask you. How does one come to know and accept Jesus?
I read this post before retiring to bed last night and have given it much thought. The point you raise is self-evident and it is not one that most or all of us haven't pondered at one time or another in our walk in Christ. What about the "others" ? What about those born in regions (thru no fault of their own) that are not raised in a Christian climate and culture. Would that about sum up your query ? PatientSpirit ... it comes down to this. It is a matter of trust. Our faith cannot and must not be dependent upon our limited human understanding of God's righteous judgement and His will. His ways are not our ways. Romans 11:34 ... "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" The following scripture taken from the book of John illustrates the divide between those who trusted wholly in God's wisdom, goodness and righteous judgement and those who remained steadfast in their own reasoning. To trust God in Christ completely means to trust Him completely. Our instructions are to share the good news of the gospel and to speak of God's saving grace in Christ. When we do that, we can be assured that God will do His part. I leave everything in His capable hands in the full assurance of knowing that His will is for the best.


John 6:43-71

43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[a] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to Me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.

68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” 71 (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)
 
Dec 1, 2012
375
0
0
I read this post before retiring to bed last night and have given it much thought. The point you raise is self-evident and it is not one that most or all of us haven't pondered at one time or another in our walk in Christ. What about the "others" ? What about those born in regions (thru no fault of their own) that are not raised in a Christian climate and culture. Would that about sum up your query ? PatientSpirit ... it comes down to this. It is a matter of trust. Our faith cannot and must not be dependent upon our limited human understanding of God's righteous judgement and His will. His ways are not our ways. Romans 11:34 ... "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" The following scripture taken from the book of John illustrates the divide between those who trusted wholly in God's wisdom, goodness and righteous judgement and those who remained steadfast in their own reasoning. To trust God in Christ completely means to trust Him completely. Our instructions are to share the good news of the gospel and to speak of God's saving grace in Christ. When we do that, we can be assured that God will do His part. I leave everything in His capable hands in the full assurance of knowing that His will is for the best.


John 6:43-71

43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[a] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to Me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.

68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” 71 (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)


The bible states that EVERYMAN is taught by God. The problem comes in when we judge another man's work and walk.

There are some christians who condemns if we don't use the name YHWH. There are some that condemns because others don't go to worship on saturdays, or even for using the name "Jesus"!

We all need to learn that if it is God who ultimately teaches all, then let everyman work out his own salvation.
 
D

DavEtheBravE

Guest
I wouldnt go to deep fo the sake of your faith but if you truly are curious ask yourself
 
K

kenisyes

Guest
I wouldnt go to deep fo the sake of your faith but if you truly are curious ask yourself
We are each of us called to investigate God's actions in the world in different ways.
 
Nov 19, 2012
5,484
27
0
The passage says "and they say" which is meaning Jews and Christians,
Where do you see 'Jews' in these ayat?





and the Koran teaches Allah has no son.

Wrong.

The Koran was copied from the Holy Bible, and it 100% confirms the Son.





Islam is based from the teachings of the Koran, which is why they reject it.
Islam is a very poor attempt at interpreting the Koran, which is Christian based.

Islam is a Christian cult.




You have some liberal Muslims that try to use a play on words to re-interpret the meaning of what these passages say, trying to reconcile Islam with Christianity.
Islam is a cult, it can never be mainstream Christianity.





But any person reading the Koran in its correct interpretation can see it denies Christ as the Son, and the one who died.
The Arabic states otherwise.




The passages you are showing are doing just that.
The scripture that I referenced rebut your merit-less assertions.
 
U

unclefester

Guest
The bible states that EVERYMAN is taught by God. The problem comes in when we judge another man's work and walk.

There are some christians who condemns if we don't use the name YHWH. There are some that condemns because others don't go to worship on saturdays, or even for using the name "Jesus"!

We all need to learn that if it is God who ultimately teaches all, then let everyman work out his own salvation.
This post begs the question. WHO is God in your view ? Is God Jesus the Christ ... the Word come in the flesh ? Who do you pray to ? Does it matter ? God personally became a man in Christ to accomplish the only solution given for humanity ..... which has always been atonement for our SIN. Christianity is summed up in the person of Christ. Take Krishna out of Hinduism, Buddha out of Buddhism, Mohammed out of Islam, Baha'u'lla out of Bahaism. We are still left with their teachings, no ? But what happens if we take Christ out of Christianity ? If Christ hasn't risen from the dead, we have NOTHING. Zippo. But if He did ... and we know that He did (do you ?), then we can point to His empty tomb and His eternal promise to us who believe in His name. None of the aforementioned "leaders of other religions" were confirmed by the power of God. Not a one. They are all dead. But Christ is alive forevermore. And because He lives, so shall all who call on His name. There is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12)
You may not like this. But it is not your decision to make. It is our Father's ... to whom we cry Abba (Daddy).
 
Dec 1, 2012
375
0
0
This post begs the question. WHO is God in your view ? Is God Jesus the Christ ... the Word come in the flesh ? Who do you pray to ? Does it matter ? God personally became a man in Christ to accomplish the only solution given for humanity ..... which has always been atonement for our SIN. Christianity is summed up in the person of Christ. Take Krishna out of Hinduism, Buddha out of Buddhism, Mohammed out of Islam, Baha'u'lla out of Bahaism. We are still left with their teachings, no ? But what happens if we take Christ out of Christianity ? If Christ hasn't risen from the dead, we have NOTHING. Zippo. But if He did ... and we know that He did (do you ?), then we can point to His empty tomb and His eternal promise to us who believe in His name. None of the aforementioned "leaders of other religions" were confirmed by the power of God. Not a one. They are all dead. But Christ is alive forevermore. And because He lives, so shall all who call on His name. There is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12)
You may not like this. But it is not your decision to make. It is our Father's ... to whom we cry Abba (Daddy).
Ok. Now how would you explain that to a man on the other side of the planet, having never seen a bible, let alone heard of christianity? To that person, you might as well be the parents on the old charlie brown cartoons. To them it's "blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah, blah"!

The bible says that God teaches everyman. He is a Spirit through and in all of mankind, the express image being that of Christ.

I don't have to tell this man of Christ. I can see it in him by how he treats me, his family and those around him. I in turn testify to the Christ in me by returning the same charity.