How can we be 100% sure that God is not the same god in other religions?

unclefester · Dec 28, 2012

God's salvation plan and requirement for the Jews is exactly the same as it is for us Gentiles. No "special clauses" in effect for them ... or us

Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him,

resurrection33 · Dec 28, 2012

zone said:

Judaism's view of Jesus
Jews have traditionally seen Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.

Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah.

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It is no secret Judaism is unaware Jesus is God in flesh. That doesn’t mean they don’t love God. Loving God has been part of their law since long before Jesus came to earth.

resurrection33 · Dec 28, 2012

unclefester said:

Yes! Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.

zone · Dec 28, 2012

resurrection33 said:

John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Acts 16:31
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

Romans 4:24
but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

zone · Dec 28, 2012

resurrection33 said:

John 8:19
They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

unclefester · Dec 28, 2012

resurrection33 said:

Judaism is VERY AWARE that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah ... the Son of the Living God ... the Saviour of all mankind ... the Word become flesh. He just wasn't what "they" were hoping and looking for. Their "law" won't save them. Only God's grace in Christ will. They must accept Christ as their Messiah. There is no other way.

John 14:16
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

PatientSpirit · Dec 28, 2012

unclefester said:

Statistics of the world's religions are only very rough approximations. Aside from Christianity, few religions, if any, attempt to keep statistical records; and even Protestants and Catholics employ different methods of counting members.

Religion Members Percentage
Christianity 2.1 billion 33.0%
Islam 1.5 billion 21
Hinduism 900 million 14
Buddhism 376 million 6
Sikhism 23 million 0.36
Judaism 14 million 0.22
Bahaism 7 million 0.1
Confucianism 6.3 million 0.1
Jainism 4.2 million 0.1
Shintoism 4 million 0.0

Now out of these rough statistics, 77% of the world is sure to be doomed. And worse still only christians call Jesus Lord and yet He Himself said that many of them, He did not know them!

I ask you. How does one come to know and accept Jesus?

zone · Dec 28, 2012

PatientSpirit said:

Statistics of the world's religions are only very rough approximations. Aside from Christianity, few religions, if any, attempt to keep statistical records; and even Protestants and Catholics employ different methods of counting members.

Religion Members Percentage
Christianity 2.1 billion 33.0%
Islam 1.5 billion 21
Hinduism 900 million 14
Buddhism 376 million 6
Sikhism 23 million 0.36
Judaism 14 million 0.22
Bahaism 7 million 0.1
Confucianism 6.3 million 0.1
Jainism 4.2 million 0.1
Shintoism 4 million 0.0

Now out of these rough statistics, 77% of the world is sure to be doomed. And worse still only christians call Jesus Lord and yet He Himself said that many of them, He did not know them!

I ask you. How does one come to know and accept Jesus?

you must be born again

lise · Dec 28, 2012

God is what in our heart he's the one that changes the heart not religion

jimmydiggs · Dec 28, 2012

smithbr8 said:

To be quick and to the point. Just look at the descriptions. Look at how Islam describes Allah. Look at how modern Pharisaical Judaism describes what they call Yahweh. Look at how Hindus describe the Brahma. Then look at what scripture describes God as.

Do you know what the Law of Identity is?

jimmydiggs · Dec 28, 2012

PatientSpirit said:

Metaphorically:

When God says: "I Am".

Literally speaking: When God regenerates and saves a person, their response is repentance and faith.

John 1:13
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

All about God, start to finish.

jimmydiggs · Dec 28, 2012

Agravesx said:

No, it does not mean the exact same thing.

Ever heard of the Shahada?

لا إله إلا الله، محمد رسول الله
There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet

الله God, Allah, father, the Creator, maker
إله god, divinity
الإله god
رب God, god, lord
معبود god, idol, fetish, divinity
الخالق creator, the Creator, God, maker, author, former
حاكم قوي god
خالق god

Allah is a proper noun, just as is Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Jehovah, etc.

We use the term "God" as a proper noun, but it is not equivalent to Allah. Allah is specifically assigned as the designation for the Muslim deity.

Shaije · Dec 28, 2012

PatientSpirit said:

You are sorely mistaken.....There is a HUGE difference! Muslims DENY! the "Deity" of CHRIST our LORD and Savior. It doesn't matter how many times a day they pray, its futile! And it is most certainly NOT one faith. Jesus the CHRIST is the ONLY way....Read your Bible much? *2 Timothy 2:15 "STUDY" to present yourself Approved to God, a worker who does NOT need to be Ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of Truth.* Do not allow yourself to be mislead, get it straight while you can, and "Lean NOT" on Your Own understanding. Gods speed to You, in "Your NEED" of furthering your "knowledge" of things.

Bowman · Dec 28, 2012

PatientSpirit said:

Jews worshiped numerous idols and gods for literally thousands of years according to the OT.

We have to wonder what triggered the need for plural gods...no doubt it was their inability to understand the Triune nature of the one God.

Modern day Jews still are unable accept that the one God is Triune.

Bowman · Dec 28, 2012

resurrection33 said:

The Trinity is not the result of counted things in the first place.

You cannot need one over the other as they are each simultaneously the one God.

Bowman · Dec 28, 2012

resurrection33 said:

Then study scripture.

The OT is almost entirely comprised of examples of how the Jews improperly worshiped God.

This spills over into the NT, as well.

Only the Jews who knew their scriptures saw Christ for what He is, and they immediately worshiped Him as God.

PatientSpirit · Dec 28, 2012

Shaije said:

If I'm wrong, then who performed the miracles? There's only one Gods, correct?

Romans 13:1-2

13*Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2*Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Bowman · Dec 28, 2012

feedm3 said:

Actually, the Koran does indeed teach that Jesus is the Son.

It is only islam which denies this...

Glory be to the Son

ما كان لله أن يتخذ من ولد سبحنه إذا قضى أمرا فإنما يقول له كن فيكون

Ma kana lillahi an yattakhitha min waladin subhanahu itha qada amran fa-innama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu

19.35 That was to “allah” that he takes of a Son, glory be to Him when He issued a decree, commanded, so only truly His, He says: "Be you.” So He has been.

This ayah demonstrates yet another Koranic example of the Son having the ability to create with His powerful word.

Creation ex-nihilo by the Son

بديع السموت والأرض أنى يكون له ولد ولم تكن
له صحبة وخلق كل شيء وهو بكل شيء عليم

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shay-in wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun

6.101 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth, that He has certainly been his Son, and certainly not to be his companion, and He created every thing that He will, and He on account of every thing that he will who knows.

Just as in other Koranic creation ex-nihilo ayahs, the Son, Jesus Christ, is mentioned as being present at the origin of the Universe, confirming that He is God Almighty.

Further, the distinction of Jesus’ deity is confirmed by distancing Himself from just being a “companion” (sahibatun).

The Son brings the End Times

وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا لقد جئتم شيءا إدا تكاد السموت يتفطرن منه وتنشق الأرض وتخر الجبال هدا أن دعوا للرحمن ولدا وما ينبغي للرحمن أن يتخذ ولدا

Waqaloo ittakhatha alrrahmanu waladan laqad ji/tum shay-an iddan takadu alssamawatu yatafattarna minhu watanshaqqu al-ardu watakhirru aljibalu haddan an daAAaw lilrrahmani waladan Wama yanbaghee lilrrahmani an yattakhitha waladan

And they said: "The most merciful he has taken a Son. Truly You came, a disastrous thing.” The heavens are well nigh (to) burst from Him and the earth she cleaves asunder and then later the mountains fall down into pieces violently with noise. That they called to the most merciful a Son. And that it is convenient to the most merciful that he takes a Son. 19.88 – 92

Contrary to popular Islamic thinking, these ayahs actually proclaim Jesus Christ as the “convenient” Son by first quoting what they said “qaloo”, and then shifting to the singular destruction which Jesus Christ brings during the end times as He opens the Seven seals of Revelation.

The Koran teaches Jesus did not die for our sins

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Actually, the Koran does confirm Jesus' crucifixtion until death upon the Cross.

Again...it is only islam which rejects this...

وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختلفوا فيه لفي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

4.157 And their saying: "Truly we killed The Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, “allah's” messenger”, and that they killed him, and that they crucified him, and certainly they alike, and truly whom they differed in Him, certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him, on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him.

Grandpa · Dec 28, 2012

smithbr8 said:

God knows who are His and who aren't.

PatientSpirit · Dec 28, 2012

Bowman said:

What triggered it was man's need to dominate one another. Let's face it we all are different. I love homeade pound cake, but you might not stand it.

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