CT shooting: political thread

[TheGrungeDiva]

What do you make of this?

Sandy Hook School Shooting Hoax Fraud Robbie Parker Actor Exposed Smiling Laughing then Fake Crying - YouTube

So he's giggling a little before the camera's roll. This is not unusual behavior for those in shock. Have you ever been in shock? I remember laughing out loud at my grandmother's funeral -- horribly inappropriate, but that's what one's body does sometimes under extreme emotional duress. It doesn't mean he's a fraud.

Not that he isn't a fraud. It still could be true that the man's an actor and all his words are lies. But if that is the case, you would need to provide evidence for it, and "he's smiling right before the interview" is not evidence.

 

[Nautilus]

i'm going to share something i came across.

What do you make of this?

Sandy Hook School Shooting Hoax Fraud Robbie Parker Actor Exposed Smiling Laughing then Fake Crying - YouTube

Not for those who fear Truth.

I do not think it is by chance that this got out either, i think it is to provoke people by those with an evil agenda.

Trust in the Almighty in all things.

Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

You cant honestly believe this? I went through that youtube accounts over videos and its typical conspiracy theory crap...not worht the time

 

[loveme1]

So he's giggling a little before the camera's roll. This is not unusual behavior for those in shock. Have you ever been in shock? I remember laughing out loud at my grandmother's funeral -- horribly inappropriate, but that's what one's body does sometimes under extreme emotional duress. It doesn't mean he's a fraud.

Not that he isn't a fraud. It still could be true that the man's an actor and all his words are lies. But if that is the case, you would need to provide evidence for it, and "he's smiling right before the interview" is not evidence.

Strange you should say that because i also remembered a time when i laughed at a funeral not because i was in shock or felt the situation amusing and i know of others that have done the same so yes i see where you are coming from indeed there.


I remember once someone saying to me that they had to create a lie to cover a lie to get me to do something i would not otherwise of done for them!

 

[loveme1]

You cant honestly believe this? I went through that youtube accounts over videos and its typical conspiracy theory crap...not worht the time

Many different users seem to of uploaded this video.

i did check to see if this man was the man who had appeared on the national news over here.

I did view some other videos of the " Dr" but did not check to see if that person was in the national news here yet, so will not share.

I do not know what did or did not take place.

There is reference of sandy hook in the batman movie that others are sharing, and reportedly reference to the shooting that took place at the cinema early on in the year.

So it is not just the laughing and smiling of this man that people are sharing and asking questions about the event.

In all instances we will have an "explanation" for and against a conspiracy.

Giving the nature of the event it also makes it a very sensitive issue indeed.

 

[violakat]

You cant honestly believe this? I went through that youtube accounts over videos and its typical conspiracy theory crap...not worht the time

While I didn't go through all the videos, I have to say that I honestly couldn't agree with you more on this particular video.

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As Grunge_Diva said earlier, when people go through shock react in different ways.

 

[loveme1]

The concern is that it is all provocative to certain people who will resist with force.

Many folks now are calling on american's to give up arms and stop this sort of thing from happening ever again.

The picture is that " american's have an obsession with guns"

The problem is that behind the smoke screen whether it be True or False, there is an agenda that hides and plays on the "emotions" of people.




Matthew 10

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

 

[violakat]

The concern is that it is all provocative to certain people who will resist with force.

Many folks now are calling on american's to give up arms and stop this sort of thing from happening ever again.

The picture is that " american's have an obsession with guns"

The problem is that behind the smoke screen whether it be True or False, there is an agenda that hides and plays on the "emotions" of people.




Matthew 10

And here lies the problem. People are reacting based upon their emotions at the time, and not based upon reflective thinking. For example, Piers Morgan is demanding the government to ban guns because of how dangerous they are. This is partially an emotional reaction to what happened in Newtown, CN. And now there's a petition to deport Morgan because of his highly, almost volatile, stance in regards to gun control. The reason, is because he is trying to "Deny" our 2nd amendment. And what those same people don't realize is that by trying to deport Morgan, they are denying him the 1st amendment. Politicians and special interest groups take advantage of people during highly emotional moments, because they know they can't get away with things that they couldn't when the people are calm.

 

[Jenjoy]

Pray for the families and friends. The pain they must be going through is something I can't imagine.

 

[Jenjoy]

And here lies the problem. People are reacting based upon their emotions at the time, and not based upon reflective thinking. For example, Piers Morgan is demanding the government to ban guns because of how dangerous they are. This is partially an emotional reaction to what happened in Newtown, CN. And now there's a petition to deport Morgan because of his highly, almost volatile, stance in regards to gun control. The reason, is because he is trying to "Deny" our 2nd amendment. And what those same people don't realize is that by trying to deport Morgan, they are denying him the 1st amendment. Politicians and special interest groups take advantage of people during highly emotional moments, because they know they can't get away with things that they couldn't when the people are calm.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Colours]

Well, it goes without saying that banning guns cuts down on gun crime.

In the UK 4.5 percent of murders are by firearm, compared with 60% in the US.

But a lot of it is down to the social and education systems too.

Generally, in the US, if you are born in a place that's deprived, you grow up to be deprived.

In the UK, every citizen has the same rights to schooling and funding. Also in the UK, we take teaching children to use guns, and the ownership of guns, as a real taboo. In the US, at least in many states, kids are brought up with guns yet can't drink alcohol till they're 21.

Many of the laws and social-economic factors have a great impact on these types of things.

Personally, I'd make it illegal for anyone other than regularly psychologically evaluated policemen and state officials to carry guns.

It would cut drastically on homeland military budget aswell. If there are less loonies running round with guns, there is less need for the government and police and US posted military to have so much weaponry.

The US's military budget is ridiculous and it accounts for a huge portion of your debt. Which is already wildly out of control.

 

[Colours]

Another determining factor in these things is the availability of mental health support. In the UK, it's free. We tend to have quite a good grasp on mental health issues and a lot of our treatment for such things is funded directly through the NHS. I myself have suffered greatly with mental issues in the past and I found treatment not only to be wholly free, but extremely effective.

The fact that many people in the US are without proper health insurance or access to mental health facilities, and that it is a socially stigmatic topic, make it all the more easier for people such as this killer to be excluded, ridiculed, bullied and neglected.

Had the people around been more aware of the effects and signs of such conditions, and had the man had more readily accessible help available to him, I would suggest that this might have been avoided.

Obviously there is no valid excuse for such a crime, but there is obviously a reason why he did it. As there is a reason for everything.

 

[Colours]

I also find a monumental sense of disturbance whenever people advocate that a man such as this should be sentenced to death for his crimes. If his state of mind caused him to commit this atrocity, then surely by his death the people gain nothing but the kind of satisfaction that is paid in blood.

I myself have been a victim of violence and I can tell you that the last thing I wish is for bloodshed to be paid with bloodshed.

It would be far more valuable for the country to learn from this situation than to give into the mobs outcry for blood.

From having people such as the Yorkshire ripper locked up there have been massive strides made in psychologically study here in the UK. if we had simply killed him we would have gained nothing.

 

[wickedflee]

I'm not American, and I don't know the gun laws for the USA that well however, I feel like sitting on a computer debating about gun laws and the bible wont change anything. I think if we go out into the world and be kind to everyone we meet and do our best to make our country and our world a better place then people may pass that kindness you showed to them on to someone else. Don't rely on governments to change laws and fix things. go out and fix what you can fix by yourself or with the help of your neighbours. It will make a difference in someone's life even if you don't see that positive difference first hand. I don't mean to upset people by this post I simply want people in Our world to stop feeling like they need to be violent because (for example) they were a 'loner in high school '. Maybe put up posters at a high school for a church youth group or volunteer at an inner city shelter.
GBU

 

[Colours]

I can understand the families pain. It's a complete abomination that young innocent children should be murdered. Kids who simply couldn't have done anything to remotely deserve what happened to them. But this is a pivotal point in the US's progression and the world is watching to see how it is handled.

There have already been fierce arguments on both sides, for and against gun control.

There are those who say that the man is simply evil and deserves to die. That he is an exception and not the rule. But tell me, other than for bloodsport and violent games, what are guns good for?

People will say 'protecting my family. I have that right'. But the very people who would want to come into your house and hurt you, are the kind who will also carry guns.

If you eliminate their ability to easily find and distribute, or acquire and use a firearm, then you eliminate a large portion of the need for a home-owner to own a gun.

I mean, even recently, we have banned the carrying of blades over 3 inches long, and knife crime has dropped as a result.

The worst case scenario is that a hardened criminal acquires a gun and enters a home where the owner does not own a firearm, in which case, chances are the family will be robbed, or perhaps severely injured or even killed. But just like the UK, this would be the exception. Not the rule.

 

[Colours]

I'm not American, and I don't know the gun laws for the USA that well however, I feel like sitting on a computer debating about gun laws and the bible wont change anything. I think if we go out into the world and be kind to everyone we meet and do our best to make our country and our world a better place then people may pass that kindness you showed to them on to someone else. Don't rely on governments to change laws and fix things. go out and fix what you can fix by yourself or with the help of your neighbours. It will make a difference in someone's life even if you don't see that positive difference first hand. I don't mean to upset people by this post I simply want people in Our world to stop feeling like they need to be violent because (for example) they were a 'loner in high school '. Maybe put up posters at a high school for a church youth group or volunteer at an inner city shelter.
GBU

I see where your coming from, and it's an innocent and lovely train of thought. But unfortunately most people can't grasp the simplicity of what this means.

If we are simply kind and considerate, then atrocity and ill emotion slowly but surely cease to have pre-eminence in our minds and society.

But it is one thing to take away the means for someone to go out and kill (ie, banning guns). It is a totally different thing to try to change people's perceptions and social interaction.

The sad truth is, the very reason this man was a loner is because he faced hatred and ill-treatment. And he repaid that hatred and ill treatment with hatred, and became a part of the corrupt and spiteful world that he so despises.

It's a vicious circle.

 

[Colours]

Then the victims become an outcry for more blood. And the question has to be asked; When will it end?

 

[wickedflee]

Right. I agree with that but the point I was trying to make was that its better than doing nothing I guess..

 

[Jenjoy]

We need more mental healthcare in America. We need to help the many parents who have a child they feel is a danger to themselves and/or society.

 

[violakat]

I think Wicked is the one that's less naive, and Colours, your're the one who's actually naive. First of all, banning guns isn't the answer. All banning guns does is just makes people become more sneaky about obtaining guns. Also, if the government bans guns, then what next, free speech, or maybe religion itself? There comes a point where there needs to be limits put upon the government. Otherwise, the government will begin to try and take over the everyday detail of someone's life, causing the citizen to become bitter, and potentially start a revolt. If you look at history, including most recently, The Arab Nations, and even part of Europe in the last twenty years, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

As for what Wicked is talking about, it's not simply just going around with "A head in the Clouds" type mentality. It's more of doing what the Bible commands us to do, "Love our neighbor". Believe it or not, every action that we do effects others. It's similar to the the Butterfly theory. Just one little smile to another may make the other person feel a whole lot better. A simple action of kindness on someone may start a chain reaction. And if you don't think that's possible, then maybe you should see what happens when someone pays for the person behind them in Starbucks. Being kind, really can have the potential of a chain reaction. Sure, it won't change everything, but it can possibly begin to change a person.

 

[Colours]

I think Wicked is the one that's less naive, and Colours, your're the one who's actually naive. First of all, banning guns isn't the answer. All banning guns does is just makes people become more sneaky about obtaining guns. Also, if the government bans guns, then what next, free speech, or maybe religion itself? There comes a point where there needs to be limits put upon the government. Otherwise, the government will begin to try and take over the everyday detail of someone's life, causing the citizen to become bitter, and potentially start a revolt. If you look at history, including most recently, The Arab Nations, and even part of Europe in the last twenty years, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

As for what Wicked is talking about, it's not simply just going around with "A head in the Clouds" type mentality. It's more of doing what the Bible commands us to do, "Love our neighbor". Believe it or not, every action that we do effects others. It's similar to the the Butterfly theory. Just one little smile to another may make the other person feel a whole lot better. A simple action of kindness on someone may start a chain reaction. And if you don't think that's possible, then maybe you should see what happens when someone pays for the person behind them in Starbucks. Being kind, really can have the potential of a chain reaction. Sure, it won't change everything, but it can possibly begin to change a person.

I agree. Being good to people can have a knock on effect.

I'm simply stating that changing people's perception and allowing them to see this kind of simple cause and effect, takes a lot more than you think.

I guarantee there will be many that simply take the good and never repay it.

And I also understand you are quite pro guns and see them as a right, which is also fair enough.

Except when it comes to this.

You're talking about the kindness of God and the effect a good deed can have as far as paying it on and changing social norms goes, yet you advocate for people to own deadly weapons.

There's a stark contradiction there.

Of course banning guns makes people sneaky about acquiring them. That's the point. They are illegal. They can't be bought in broad daylight and it's risky business.

And the facts don't lie.

Since the UK banned guns, we've had thousands of hand ins, and thousands more seizures of gun stashes. And gun crime has reduced massively.