God's Secret Place for His Church during the Tribulation

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Finding God's Secret Place

God has a place for the church to live during the Great Tribulation. He calls it the “secret place”. We will be feed and taken care of for “a time, times and the dividing of time”, or “one-thousand, two hundred and three score days”, or “forty-two months”, all of which is equals to 3.5yrs. We will be kept from ALL harm. The wild beast we will not fear. We will be able to see the destruction and wrath of God on all sides, but no harm will become us. There will be plenty of water, fruit and herbs for us to enjoy. Those that are ill will become well. The desert will bring forth grass. The parched land will become a pool of water.

Does that sound great or what? To some it may even sound hard to believe, but it’s true! God has a secret place for the church during the Great Tribulation (GT) period and it is described just as I said above. The description can be found throughout the bible. And yes…this place is right here on earth. NO….we are NOT going to be taken from this earth off to heaven during the GT. We will be right here in the wilderness, if you are so blessed, where God told us to go.

I’m sure some are saying “Where in the bible does it say all of that?”. Well, if we follow God’s instructions for reading and studying His word it can be found everywhere.

Isa.28
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Topic with topic. Line upon line. Searching the scriptures here and there.

With that said, let’s find God’s “Secret Place”!



Finding God’s Secret Place Throughout the Scripture

Let’s think about something before our search. Let’s count how many times God had to remove His children from this earth because of His pending wrath and judgments against the wicked;

He didn’t remove anyone for the flood.
He didn’t remove anybody for the (10) plagues of Egypt.
No one was taken for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Nor was anyone removed for ANY of the many wars fought.
He didn’t remove Mary, Joseph and Jesus from Herod’s terror.

Not one time did God EVER remove His children from this earth for ANYTHING! So why should He have to do it for the Great Tribulation? He doesn’t. And He will not. Now let’s find God’s “secret place”;

God has a secret place or a place of safety that He will prepare for His church and He will keep those that understand safe from ALL harm for the entire time of the Tribulation period, 3.5yrs.

2Pt 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This “…hour of temptation…” that will come upon ALL the world is indeed the Great Tribulation period.

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.

The woman above is God’s church; ALL those that believe and trust in the true and living God are they that make up this church.

But this is not the only place that we are told about a place of safety; there are MANY more scriptures to be found, yes FOUND! Because you truly must ask God for wisdom and understanding when searching His word to know and understand just what these scriptures are talking about.

Let’s read search God’s word and read some of them…..

Pss.91
[1] He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
[3] Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

By the mouth of David we are told the Lord will deliver us from the “snare of the fowler”.

[7] A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
[8] Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

There will be destruction on both sides but no harm will come to us. Why? He tells us…

[9] Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
[10] There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
[11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
[12] They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
[13] Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

The angels of the Lord will be there to protect and to guide.

Isa.16
[1] Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.
[2] For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon.
[3] Take counsel, execute judgment; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the noonday; hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth.
[4] Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.

Again God tells us He will protect us from the spoiler, and this protection is in the wilderness.

Isa.35
[1] The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
[2] It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
[3] Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
[4] Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
[7] And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
[8] And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
[9] No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:

We will be fully taken care of. Food, shelter, water….we will not even have to worry about the beast of the field.

Isa.41
[18] I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
[19] I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:
[20] That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

Please note that ALL of these events are things that WILL happen, for the desert of the children of Israel are yet barren.

Not only is God's secret place hid from those with natural eyes, but His secret place is also hid from most spiritual eyes, for you truly MUST search the scriptures to find God's secret place.


Let’s review:

Who is this Woman that fled into the wilderness? The woman is the church.

Rv 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
14: And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Where is this wilderness and solitary place of God? The mountains of Jerusalem.

Psalm 91v1
1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Isaiah 35v1-10
1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

Why is the Lord(lamb) sent to the wilderness to the daughters of Zion? To help, protect, teach and guide those that arrive.

Isaiah 16v1-5
1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.

Isaiah 41v17-20
17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them.
18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:
20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

Why is this happening in the wilderness? To protect the church.

Isaiah 43v19-20
19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

Please understand…..the wilderness is NOT now what it is yet to be! Why? Well…..what has man ALWAYS done to fertile ground? Build, pollute and destroy! But there will come a time when you will see a change near the mountains of Jerusalem. Water WILL start to spring forth! Flowers, fruits and trees WILL start to bloom! Beast will start to migrate! And those with wisdom and understanding WILL come! All that God’s word said will happen WILL happen! My question to those reading is this, What will YOU do when you see all of these changes taking place?

Its obvious that this place called the wilderness is not taught in many churches. It truly is a secret. God revealed this secret to his prophets, and to all with wisdom and understanding.

Now that you know…….What will YOU do when you see the signs in the wilderness and the man of sin placed in the temple? Will you do as your God instructs? Will you have FAITH in His words? Will you FLEE to His “secret place“?



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Now that you know…….What will YOU do when you see the signs in the wilderness and the man of sin placed in the temple? Will you do as your God instructs? Will you have FAITH in His words? Will you FLEE to His “secret place“?

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The last 7 years,, God is dealing with Israel and Jews. That 'secret place" is for them.
If you aren't an unsaved Jew, you have no chance of being there.
 
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The last 7 years,, God is dealing with Israel and Jews. That 'secret place" is for them.
If you aren't an unsaved Jew, you have no chance of being there.
The tribulation period is only to be for 3.5 years. Beware...of deception. God's place of protection is for ALL that trust His word and OBEY! God gives us a warning to flee....NEVER does He say that only Israel is to flee!

Please quote scriptures that states God's secret place is ONLY for the nation of Israel.



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The tribulation period is only to be for 3.5 years. Beware...of deception. God's place of protection is for ALL that trust His word and OBEY! God gives us a warning to flee....NEVER does He say that only Israel is to flee!

Please quote scriptures that states God's secret place is ONLY for the nation of Israel.



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my 'secret place' will always be 'In Christ'. For those going through Jacob's Trouble I've heard Petra as the place but I am not dogmatic andam not fully convinced there will be one.
 
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Please quote scriptures that states God's secret place is ONLY for the nation of Israel.

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The OT. Was that enough scriptures?
 

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As in 70ad it is only the people who see the sign ans go into the wilderness that will be saved. It will not be easy even in the wilderness have you not read the tests in the wildreness. The number of moves in the wilderness was 42 a number that has to do with the antiChrist. If you see the sign know it will still not be easy but you will be blessed.
 
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Finding God’s Secret Place

God has a place for the church to live during the Great Tribulation. He calls it the “secret place”. We will be feed and taken care of for “a time, times and the dividing of time”, or “one-thousand, two hundred and three score days”, or “forty-two months”, all of which is equals to 3.5yrs. We will be kept from ALL harm. The wild beast we will not fear. We will be able to see the destruction and wrath of God on all sides, but no harm will become us. There will be plenty of water, fruit and herbs for us to enjoy. Those that are ill will become well. The desert will bring forth grass. The parched land will become a pool of water.

That was very good. and the lord has given you a very good insight Eccl12and13 and more that most of your brethren I would say.

Yes the woman flees into the wilderness where she is fed and protected for 3 ½ years.

But her seed, her fruit, that have the testimony of Jesus, and loved not their lives unto the death. Will stay and preach the gospel and still have protection and food because the Secret Place is in the will of God under the shadow of the all mighty.

Some of us will be killed as a witness as a testimony as martyrs as it says 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

Our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace “But if not”, we will not bow to the image or take the mark of the beast.

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Daniel3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
 

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Peter, very wise
 
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Judges 3
Othniel, Ehud, and Shamgar
Christ, Bride, and Begotten children
Then, now, 1k later

Ehud "escapes" in detailed timing.

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As in 70ad it is only the people who see the sign ans go into the wilderness that will be saved. It will not be easy even in the wilderness have you not read the tests in the wildreness. The number of moves in the wilderness was 42 a number that has to do with the antiChrist. If you see the sign know it will still not be easy but you will be blessed.
Although living in the wilderness will not quite be the Hilton or the Westin experience, we will be well taken care of;

Pss.91
[9] Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
[10] There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
[11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
[12] They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
[13] Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

Isa.35
[1] The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
[2] It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
[3] Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
[4] Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
[7] And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.


And when you consider the alternative;

Dan.7
[8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan.12
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:

Matt.24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

2 Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev.13
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


When you really know and understand that the great tribulation will be the worse time this earth has ever known; worse that ALL of the world wars, worse than ANY of the atrocities that has EVER happened, so bad that NO amount of money will be able to buy you and your family out of having to receive the mark.

When you know and understand this......is taking a chance and going to the wilderness such a bad idea?

The choice you make WILL save you and your family!


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Readers....Jesus give us a very clear warning of WHEN to flee and WHERE to flee. Please note that not once does He ever say this warning is ONLY for the nation of Israel. Let's read.....

Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Readers.....let's think about this for a moment. Jesus tells WHOEVER is in Judaea to flee to the surrounding mountains. He tells us that leaving is so important that we are not to go back for clothes or take anything out off the house....just to FLEE! Now.....are we really to be that blindsided that we will not prepare? Of course not! But when we do see the signs Jesus made it vary clear when our actions are to be.

Consider this.....Jesus tells us to flee when we see the man of sin placed in the temple. Has the temple been built yet? No. So that gives us some time. But one day the temple WILL be built. As a matter of fact I have gone to the Temple Institute sight and found that whenever the ok is given to build, it could take as little as 90 days. And a temple is not needed to start animal sacrifices.....yet another sign we are given to watch for; "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Readers...the world is shaping and getting ready to form a government that can be controlled by just a few people and organizations. Europe has a single currency. The Asian markets and the Eastern markets are thinking about combining currencies. Even here in the Americas there have been proposals to have a common currency. How long will it be before the whole world is under one rule and ruler.


God's word tells us that a temple WILL be built.
God's word tells us the animals WILL be sacrificed once again.
God's word tells us a man WILL be placed in the temple that will be built.
God's word tells us this same man WILL stop those sacrifices at some point.
God's word tells us there is coming a time that WILL be worse than any time ever experienced, or ever will be experienced here on earth.
God's word tells us those that obey WILL be protected.

Talk about having faith in God's words! What will you and your family do when you see the signs?

Will you have faith in God's words and do as instructed?

Will you flee to save you and your family?



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Not sure if by what you wrote you see that I was agreeing with you. I also agree with Peter that some will stay behind “t her seed, her fruit, that have the testimony of Jesus, and loved not their lives unto the death. Will stay and preach the gospel and still have protection and food because the Secret Place is in the will of God under the shadow of the all mighty.” quote


Revelation 13:10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

Jeremiah 15:2 And if they ask you, 'Where shall we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: "'Those destined for death, to death; those for the sword, to the sword; those for starvation, to starvation; those for captivity, to captivity.

Daniei 11 Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
33 “Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35 Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
 

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Okay no, you're understanding things way too carnally. Someone up there said something like "Jesus Christ is my 'secret place'" and that is the right answer. The woman who goes into the wilderness, read well- does not "keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ", only her seed does. This woman is Christianity; spiritual Israel, as it were. She is going into the wilderness for judgment. This woman in the wilderness, we see her again later here:

Re 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

There are not two women in the wilderness there is only one woman. Read Ezekiel 16 and you will see this same woman. Pre-apostate Christianity and post-apostate Christianity. The woman starts off good and beautiful, but she becomes an insatiable harlot. Things are not going to end well for most Christians; and all of the "man-made Christianity" that attempts to supplant the TRUE Christianity of God, the Israel of God, will be destroyed from off the face of the earth.

Now, this woman is going into the desert to be nourished FROM the face of the serpent; she is analogical Eve and she will be "beguiled" by the serpent just as Eve was- this is why her judgment is said thusly:

Re 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee

Woman lusting after fruit? Sound familiar? It should because Eve is the picture her- this is why the remnant are called "her seed" because of this:

Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The great tribulation will be spiritual catastrophy, not carnal; and there will be no where on the face of the earth where one may "run to escape" it; no one is going to be "taken out of the world" to avoid it. It will come, and to survive it you must follow the example God has set down for you. God has said, those who try to run, I'm sending the sword after you wherever you go. Those who try to fight back, I'll turn your weapons around on you and I myself will fight against you in fury. God says this: the King of Confusion is coming to destroy this people; put his yoke on your neck and bear the judgment and all will go well with you. But if you will not put on your neck the yoke of the King of Confusion, then I will send upon you the famine, and the sword, and the pestilence until you are consumed out of the land. Make no covenant with the King of Confusion, but put his yoke upon your neck and bear it- and I will be with you and I will deliver you out of his hand my own self.

And anyone trying to tell you, "You won't have to face the King of Confusion, God will take you away to heaven and you won't even be here" that person is a false prophet and will be slain before your eyes by the sword of the King of Confusion.

There is only one protection against the coming spiritual onslaught: the Word of God. It will be the shield of the faithful, and the sword of the remnant. Knowledge of God. Knowledge. The TRUE SAFE PLACE for by knowledge we escape the pollutions of the world:

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
 
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That was very good. and the lord has given you a very good insight Eccl12and13 and more that most of your brethren I would say.
As you know it was not me, but God gave gave me the wisdom and understanding and the knowledge to know these things.

He has given us signs to save ourselves from the upcoming destruction. Unfortunately way TOO many will not obey.

As for me and my family....we will do as instructed and heed the signs and flee!

Will some make it through the tribulation period? God's word tells us yes. But it will be the hardest times of their lives. Some may make it through....but at the cost of probably seeing some of their friends and family members tortured.

To those reading please consider this;

God's word tells us that a temple WILL be built.
God's word tells us the animals WILL be sacrificed once again.
God's word tells us a man WILL be placed in the temple that will be built.
God's word tells us this same man WILL stop those sacrifices at some point.

Now I have the same bible as everyone else. All of the above can be found in the scriptures.

So tell me....when you see ALL of the above happening and more...will you think back on this post, or maybe remember someone speaking about the above events and say to yourself, "Maybe.....just maybe there was some truth to what this guys was saying?"

But you know what's going to keep people from fleeing? The nice cars, the nice house, the kids schools, the country club, "We just bought a new membership!", "What will our family and friends say?". "They will think we are in a cult!". These are the things that will cause entire families to loose their lives, or take the mark.

What would be the harm in taking you and your family on a trip verses what WILL happen if you stay? If it turns out that nothing happens....then come on back to your home, cars, family and friends.

But WHEN you see all of the above happening.....remember this post!

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Eccl12and13

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Okay no, you're understanding things way too carnally.

The great tribulation will be spiritual catastrophy, not carnal;

Readers.....does the following sound "spiritual"?

Dan.12
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:

Matt.24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

2 Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev.13
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


Just how does this, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.", sound "spiritual"?


Readers......Daniel, Jesus and the rest of the prophets were giving us a literal account of what IS going to happen one day here on earth.


And there WILL be a literal place of safety for you and your family to flee.


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Re: God’s Secret Place for His Church during the Tribulation

Only adding this so you see I do agree Eccl12and 13
The biblical feasts are dress rehearsals ( appointed times or divine appointment )for the return of Messiah. My pray is that this year all GOD’s children will do the dress rehearsal for Tabernacles so that we will learn and know the things needed to live for the 3 ½ years in the wilderness.
Feast of Tabernacles :

Last Great Day (eighth day):
I Thessalonians 5:1-4 But of the times and the seasons (appointed times,) brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

When the children of Israel left Egypt, they camped first in a place they called Sukkot ( booths). The Feast of Tabernacles and the Exodus are lessons that every generation is to make sure the one before fully understands

I Corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them [the children of Israel in the wilderness] as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
The second exodus will be part of the Great Tribulation and we must follow his plan for deliverance.

Matthew 24:15-20
Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

The people who do not understand the appointed times ( divine appointment ) will not go into the wilderness of the people and what happens to those children of GOD who do not know the signs of their times.

Revelation 12:13-17 when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Bible verses on the second Exodus

Deuteronomy 30:1-6 So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind in all nations where the LORD your God has banished you, and you return to the LORD your God and obey Him with all your heart and soul according to all that I command you today, you and your sons, then the LORD your God will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. And the LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, in order that you may live.

Jeremiah 16:14-15 Therefore behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when it will no longer be said, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,' but, 'as the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.' For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers."

Jeremiah 23:3 Then I Myself shall gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture; and they will be fruitful and multiply.

Jeremiah 23:5-8 Behold, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "When I shall raise up for David a righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely; and this is His name by which He will be called, 'The LORD our righteousness.' Therefore behold, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when they will no longer say, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt,' but, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I had driven them.' Then they will live on their own soil."

Ezekiel 20:33-38 As I live," declares the Lord GOD, "surely with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out, I shall be king over you. I shall bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out; and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will enter into judgment with you face to face. As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will enter into judgment with you," declares the Lord GOD. "I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; and I will purge from you the rebels and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the land where they sojourn, but they will not enter the land of Israel. Thus you will know that I am the LORD."

Deuteronomy 32:46-47a Take to your heart all the words with which I am warning you today, which you shall command your sons to observe carefully, even all the words of this law. For it is not an idle word for you; indeed it is your life."
 
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Re: God’s Secret Place for His Church during the Tribulation

Talk about having faith in God's words! What will you and your family do when you see the signs?

Will you have faith in God's words and do as instructed?

Will you flee to save you and your family?



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Hi Eccl12and13

Are you thinking that all should flee?

Or just the ones that God puts it in their hearts to flee.?
 
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Eccl12and13

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Re: God’s Secret Place for His Church during the Tribulation

I also agree with Peter that some will stay behind “t her seed, her fruit, that have the testimony of Jesus, and loved not their lives unto the death. Will stay and preach the gospel and still have protection and food because the Secret Place is in the will of God under the shadow of the all mighty.” quote

Those that preach and help others are only there because they did NOT obey God's word. They did NOT flee. They will be those that knew but did not have faith. They know that the ONLY choice for them now is to help others that are in the same situation as them. They know that if they take the mark they will be thrown in the lake of fire. So instead they teach, preach and try to save as many that will listen.

Consider this.....lots will take the mark of the beast. Now after taking the mark for them and their family, who do you think will risk their lives or their family lives to give support to those that did not take the mark? Those that escape and do not take the mark will be living on their own, shut up in basements, attics, caves and mountains! Who that has taken the mark will risk their lives to help them?

It's going to be a very bad time!


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Kefa52

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I feel another headache coming on.
 
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Have you taken on the mark of ther beast?

Forget the rapture its all conjecture, just make sure your home is in order, and you are ready when Jesus comes to judge the world in righteiousness!

The Mark of the Beast!
He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev13:16-17
What you need to understand clearly is that the Present day church System is already under the control of the Beast. But the Beast is NOT some Worldly dictator as everyone is suspecting. Actually the Beast John was shown in Rev13 is the Church System gone fully apostate. It’s not merely the Catholic System as many have identified over the years, but the ENTIRE professing Christian religious establishment, all preaching the Message of the Beast!

John was also shown an IMAGE created by the Beast that lives and breaths and causes everyone (in the System) to bow down to it in Worship and ‘Receive’ a Mark on the Right hand or Forehead. This IMAGE has the appearance of a Lamb but speaks the language of the Dragon through an Army of false teachers convinced that the IMAGE they have created is really Jesus Christ! This False Jesus is the focal point of Present day professing Christianity. What He represents to them is the Fallacy of Reformed theology.

According to this IMAGE the people can be ‘Saved in their sins’, Receive a Magic Moral Transfer of Christ’s Righteousness and Obedience, have their sins forgiven in advance and be made eternally secure in their vile and sinful condition. As the Rev13 passage says: ‘He CAUSES them to Receive a mark’, this Army of False teachers are dispensing this Mark as a GIFT on all who will receive it! The expression John is using is a Metaphor, (look it up!) Meaning: a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”

The common Message today is ‘Receive Jesus as your personal Savior’ by repeating a series of words repeated after the Pastor or someone supposedly leading you to the Lord. But what they are actually receiving is the IMAGE of Jesus created by the Dragon who has appeared to professing Christianity as the LAMB! (or a wolf in sheep’s clothing, Matt7:15) This is the Strong Delusion spoken of in 2Thess2:10.

How does the Mark of the Beast play into this? That’s the part FEW (if any) can understand.

The Mark is dispensed either on the Forehead or Right hand and no one is forced to take it. They freely receive it as a gift form the great Beast Image they bow down to. Everyone is expecting some kind of Physical Mark in the form of modern technology. (a chip or implant of some sort) So everyone is looking in the WRONG place for this to come to pass. The Real Mark is ‘Spiritual’ in nature and consists of a false Gospel Message that you can be ‘saved in your sins’.

Where is the Mark Dispensed?
On the ‘Forehead’ or ‘Right Hand’ To Understand this note the following Translation:
Forehead (used only in the Book of Revelation) Is two Greek Words:
Meta: Meaning, ‘With’
Ops: Meaning, ‘An Eye’ “Literally: ‘With an Eye.’ Or ‘Within the Eye of the Mind!’
Jesus said in Matt5:27-30:
You have heard that it was said to those of old ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
The extreme importance of Crucifying the flesh with its passions and desires is expressed throughout Scripture. It is the VERY essence of real Repentance. Without it NO ONE can be truly Saved. The body of sin MUST be done away with in repentance, die with Christ, once and for all to the old man and be raised to the Newness of life in the Spirit. (Rom6:4-6, Gal5:24)

However the IMAGE that has taken full control of professing Christianity has removed this essential step from the Salvation process and replaced with the MARK. What is the Mark? Simply: the ‘evil eye’ of the flesh, fixed on the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life! (1John2:15-17) Bowing to the IMAGE is the refusal to Cut off the evil eye or hand and cast it from you. Instead you retain the evil within and call it your ‘sin nature’.
The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matt6:22-23
Again Christ points to this Mark of the flesh: “What comes out of a man that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” Mk7:20-23

Sin enters into the Mind through the Eyes (2Pet2:14) You take possession of it when the desire (lust) united with the will. (James1:14-16, you latch on to it and perform the act!) This is why the Double-minded cannot enter into the Kingdom. (Js1:8) But under the IMAGE this has been Reversed! The Mark, (your own evil eye of the flesh) is retained and you ‘receive’ it as a Gift of eternal life. Herein is how the professing Church world is deceived into exchanging the Truth of God for a lie. (Rom1:25)

The Name written on the Forehead of the Saints is the revived spirit that takes place through repentance and faith proven by deeds. (Acts3:19) The Mind is fixed on things above not on things of the earth. (Col3:1-3) It is the SINGLE Eye Jesus spoke of in Matt6:22, grounded in a good and honest heart.
You have to understand that the Book of Revelation (John’s vision) is written to the Church, not the world at large. Out of the Seven Churches addressed in Chapters 2-3, only two remained faithful and did not deny His Name. Therefore John’s vision has everything to do with the Corruption of the Gospel Message under an apostate System gone haywire.

I contend that these Churches addressed by the Spirit represent the condition of professing Christianity down through the ages. Although every generation, including the early Saints, thought the time was near and that they were experiencing the final days before Christ’s return. But that’s part of the overall deception to keep the mind in a state of confusion concerning these things. Such is the nature of the so-called Rapture theory. First developed by a Dispensational teacher named John Nelson Darby in the early 1800’s, who supposedly received a vision from a self-proclaimed Prophetess named Margaret McDonald in Glasgow. She claimed to had received a vision from God about a ‘secret’ Rapture of the church that was about to take place so that they would escape the Great Tribulation coming on the earth.

The teaching spread quickly among the early Charismatic’s and at a Prophecy Conference in Dublin Ireland in 1830, Darby officially introduced the Doctrine of Dispensationalism. His contention was that the Return of Christ would happen in two stages separated by a Seven year Tribulation period. During this time the Anti-Christ would appear on the scene, deceive the entire world and unite the political and religious powers of the earth under a New World Order. God would then Judge this vile System by pouring out His Wrath in the form of the Trumpets, Seals and Bowls. Christ would return at the end, bind Satan in the bottomless pit and reign on the earth for a thousand years of Peace.

Since the formation of these fallacies many have cashed in on the hype by writing books and making further predictions and in modern times producing full length motion pictures. Nothing has come to pass of course because NONE of them has any Spiritual understanding into the Mark they have received under the false Gospel Message dispensed by the IMAGE. To this day the fallen apostate Church is waiting for some kind of tangible sign to indicate the Rapture is near and Christ is about to return. They debate timetables and cannot completely agree on a Pre-Mid or Post Trib Rapture or whether or not Jesus will actually reign on earth in physical form for a thousand years.

But they ALL Preach the Message of the Dragon! The Woman on the Scarlet Beast is the present day Church! Your own Pastors, teachers, Bible Scholars, Sunday school teachers and leaders are working the Mystery of lawlessness (2Thess2:7) directly under the noses of the people! And they are completely blind-sided by the subterfuge. No one suspects their own church to be part of a wide ranging satanic deception. A virtual Army of false teachers is actively dispensing the Mark to millions of unsuspecting souls who receive it with gladness and joy. Those who oppose this false message and will not receive it as truth are forbidden to ‘buy and sell’ inside the System. Therefore the real message of Repentance and faith proven by deeds, is heresy to the church.

I also contend that the Number of his name, Rev13:17, is the Number of Man himself! You can accept this or reject it, your choice. But the Word used in Rev13 for man does not indicate a ‘Certain man’ but is: .Anthropos or Mankind (both male and female) Unknown to the early Saints the Atomic Number of Carbon is 666, consisting of Sex Neutrons, Six Electrons and Six Protons. Man is made out of Dust (Gen3:19) which is Carbon, the bases of organic life. So the Number of his name, in my opinion, is the Number of Man, who Receives his own Mark by refusal to Pluck out or Cut off the offending portions of his lustful desires.

Many of the early Saints wrongly identified the Latin System (Catholic Church) as the Beast because the number weight of their name according to their ancient numerical system equaled 666. The Latin Kingdom for example, spelled then as ‘lateinov’ translated from the Greek numerical system into this number. But it didn’t mean that the Pope or even Rome was the expected Anti-Christ! It meant that MANY names of man would also equal 666, because it is his number. Thus all the false predictions throughout history to this day trying to identify the Anit-Christ.

How can this apply to all of mankind when most of the World does not adhere to Christianity? The Passage in Rev13 is universal; ALL of mankind receives this Mark. Explain to me how Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism are going to receive this mark. It would NEVER happen they are mortal enemies of Christianity. But applying the Mark to Mankind solves the problem because anyone who is in bondage to the Lust of the eye and flesh already has it! The Bible teaches that you are a ‘Salve to who you obey, sin to death or obedience to Righteousness’ Rom6:16. The Mark can also be defined as a sign placed on the Branded Slave, showing ownership. Thus the Mark has much significance as to WHO a person is serving. (The flesh or the Spirit)

By necessity the professing Church System of today is making their so-called converts Servants of sin. They are told they are Born in sin, Can never stop sinning and are Saved in sin. The Deception is complete. The ‘evil eye’ remains and they all bow to the IMAGE. www.standingthegap.org