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Re: God’s Secret Place for His Church during the Tribulation
You claim that God does not protect the church. You claim that God gives Satan authority to make war with the saints and that Satan prevails against them. Let's read scripture to find if your claims line up with scripture;
First let us find who some of the players are that are mentioned throughout the bible;
Gen.37
[5] And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.
[6] And he said unto them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
[7] For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
[8] And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
[9] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
[10] And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
Above we find that Joseph, one of the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel, had dreams. And in one of his dreams he describes the entire nation of Israel as being made up of, the sun, the moon and eleven stars. This represented his father (the sun), his mother (the moon) and his eleven brothers (eleven stars) with Joseph being the 12th star.
Now let's find what the congregation that left Egypt was called while they were in the wilderness;
Acts 7
[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
So all of those that were in the wilderness was considered to be 'the church'. Now let's find just who it was that left Egypt;
Exod.12
[37] And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
[38] And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
So it was NOT only the nation of Israel that left Egypt....there was a 'mixed multitude' of people that also left. And this entire congregation was called "the church". Now let's jump to a future time in the book of Rev.
Rev.12
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Above we read of the nation of Israel once again described as the sun, the moon and twelve stars. Let's read what God did for her. But before reading, the reader must understand that sometimes within the same chapter of the book of Rev., you may be presented with both past AND future events. Let's read;
Rev.12
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
So at some point the woman (the church) flees into the wilderness, a place prepared by God, and she is fed there for 3.5yrs. Does this not sound like God is protecting the church? Let's find if all were protected;
[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We find that even after Satan saw that those in the wilderness, he still tried to harm them. And again we find that God protects them.
So when Satan found that he could not destroy those that were protected, he turned toward those that were not being protected (the remnant of the woman). These are those that, for whatever reason, did NOT make it to God's place of safety, yet they know to keep His laws. It is these that Satan prevails over. Let's confirm;
Rev.13
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Again.....we already know that God has a place prepared for His church, those that obey. They are protected first because God prepared a place for them, and after Satan tries to attack, God has the earth to further help the church in the wilderness. Let's now go to Dan, to confirm further. But again....just as in the book of Rev., while reading the book of Dan., the reader may encounter both past and future events within the same chapter. Let's read;
Dan.7
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Now which saints could it be that Satan prevails over? Could it be those that are in the prepared place by God? No! For God's word tells us that even after Satan tried to attack them, God still helped and protected them. So which are these that Satan prevailed over?
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Those that, for whatever reason, did NOT make it to God's prepared place of safety. The remnant, the remaining saints that know to keep the laws of God.
Why would God's word tells us throughout the entire bible of a place of safety just to have Satan overcome and destroy the church? Why would God have Dan. and John tell us of a place that is prepared for the exact amount of time that the tribulation period would be if the saints were not going to be there?
Does that make sense?
Readers....if you have faith and believe in God's words and OBEY, you and your family WILL be protected. You will have nothing to fear. You will see death and destruction all around you, but you and your family will be protected by the angels that God will provide to those that trust His words and flee to the wilderness.
If you decide to stay put thinking that God will provide, when He has already given you fair warning on where and when to flee this is what you will have to look forward to;
Rev.13
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
You do have a choice. Stay and try to survive what God has already told us will be the worse time on earth there has ever been and ever will be......or;
Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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This is not true. God does not protect the church, He gives satan authority to make war with the saints (the church) and prevail. Rev 12, 13 Along with Dan 7
You must read a different scripture than the rest of us.
You must read a different scripture than the rest of us.
First let us find who some of the players are that are mentioned throughout the bible;
Gen.37
[5] And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.
[6] And he said unto them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
[7] For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
[8] And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
[9] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
[10] And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
Above we find that Joseph, one of the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel, had dreams. And in one of his dreams he describes the entire nation of Israel as being made up of, the sun, the moon and eleven stars. This represented his father (the sun), his mother (the moon) and his eleven brothers (eleven stars) with Joseph being the 12th star.
Now let's find what the congregation that left Egypt was called while they were in the wilderness;
Acts 7
[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
So all of those that were in the wilderness was considered to be 'the church'. Now let's find just who it was that left Egypt;
Exod.12
[37] And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
[38] And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
So it was NOT only the nation of Israel that left Egypt....there was a 'mixed multitude' of people that also left. And this entire congregation was called "the church". Now let's jump to a future time in the book of Rev.
Rev.12
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Above we read of the nation of Israel once again described as the sun, the moon and twelve stars. Let's read what God did for her. But before reading, the reader must understand that sometimes within the same chapter of the book of Rev., you may be presented with both past AND future events. Let's read;
Rev.12
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
So at some point the woman (the church) flees into the wilderness, a place prepared by God, and she is fed there for 3.5yrs. Does this not sound like God is protecting the church? Let's find if all were protected;
[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We find that even after Satan saw that those in the wilderness, he still tried to harm them. And again we find that God protects them.
So when Satan found that he could not destroy those that were protected, he turned toward those that were not being protected (the remnant of the woman). These are those that, for whatever reason, did NOT make it to God's place of safety, yet they know to keep His laws. It is these that Satan prevails over. Let's confirm;
Rev.13
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Again.....we already know that God has a place prepared for His church, those that obey. They are protected first because God prepared a place for them, and after Satan tries to attack, God has the earth to further help the church in the wilderness. Let's now go to Dan, to confirm further. But again....just as in the book of Rev., while reading the book of Dan., the reader may encounter both past and future events within the same chapter. Let's read;
Dan.7
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Now which saints could it be that Satan prevails over? Could it be those that are in the prepared place by God? No! For God's word tells us that even after Satan tried to attack them, God still helped and protected them. So which are these that Satan prevailed over?
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Those that, for whatever reason, did NOT make it to God's prepared place of safety. The remnant, the remaining saints that know to keep the laws of God.
Why would God's word tells us throughout the entire bible of a place of safety just to have Satan overcome and destroy the church? Why would God have Dan. and John tell us of a place that is prepared for the exact amount of time that the tribulation period would be if the saints were not going to be there?
Does that make sense?
Readers....if you have faith and believe in God's words and OBEY, you and your family WILL be protected. You will have nothing to fear. You will see death and destruction all around you, but you and your family will be protected by the angels that God will provide to those that trust His words and flee to the wilderness.
If you decide to stay put thinking that God will provide, when He has already given you fair warning on where and when to flee this is what you will have to look forward to;
Rev.13
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
You do have a choice. Stay and try to survive what God has already told us will be the worse time on earth there has ever been and ever will be......or;
Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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