Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

[quickfire]

This is my answer to all this madness

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.



What does this mean ?


well in my eyes it only mean one thing we will (ALL) come before christ.


JUST LIKE you have pointed out to rock22 ALL have sinned so mary can not be sinless .


SO WE WILL ALL COME BEFORE CHRIST HE WILL PASS THE FINAL JUDGMENT .


not mary not any saints not any christian or catholic but christ AMEN.

 

[Rock022]

This is my answer to all this madness

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.



What does this mean ?


well in my eyes it only mean one thing we will (ALL) come before christ.


JUST LIKE you have pointed out to rock22 ALL have sinned so mary can not be sinless .


SO WE WILL ALL COME BEFORE CHRIST HE WILL PASS THE FINAL JUDGMENT .


not mary not any saints not any christian or catholic but christ AMEN.

All have to be judge, whether good or bad.

I believe Jesus judge His mother. I hope Her verdict was not bad, because I would then have much less hope.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I feel sorry for you eternaly gratefuly.

why do you feel sorry for me? I know where I am going, and would like everyone that can to come with me?

Are you going to answer. or stay sidetracked.? Is everyone going to heaven or not?

I am composing a studie on baptism at the moment which i hope to post tonight Or tomorrow.
I am to busy to get into arguments about ones own salvation which is what you seem to be doing.

Is not salvation the most important part of religion? Why would we not focus on it? if one is not headed to eternity with God. would you not want to show them how they can get there? or would you rather argue different religions and things which do not pertain to salvation?

 

[quickfire]

why do you feel sorry for me? I know where I am going, and would like everyone that can to come with me?

Are you going to answer. or stay sidetracked.? Is everyone going to heaven or not?




Is not salvation the most important part of religion? Why would we not focus on it? if one is not headed to eternity with God. would you not want to show them how they can get there? or would you rather argue different religions and things which do not pertain to salvation?

I HAVE GIVEN YOU YOUR ANSWER

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

THIS IS YOUR SALVATION AND EVERYONES ELSES

 

[StephenH]

In my view, Mary is just a woman that was chosen to bear Jesus into the world. She isn't more holy or special than any other earthly woman. She was sinful and corrupt like we are all. She wasn't a "saint", she was simply a woman chosen to bear the task of being Jesus's earthly mother, even though he was God, he had to have a way to be called 'earthly' by being born by an ordinary woman who chose to have faith. Sure, he could've just called himself from heaven to earth and been an adult, however that wouldn't be 'human' in the way we see it, as being developed in the womb and then being birthed and growing up.

She's not a mediator, she's not an angel, she's not God. She's not who we pray to. We pray to Jesus who is our lord who died on the cross to allow us to be with him in eternity. If he was just born into the world, it wouldn't have been enough. If he was born into the world and was just beaten and put the crown of thorns on his head, it wouldn't have been enough. If he was jailed, it wouldn't have been enough. He had to die for our sins.

Mary was just a vessel for him to be born, as the 'godhuman' into the world. Both fully human and fully God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternal since you are always answering every single detail and have knowledge of the truth. I have some questions that I can not reason, maybe you can help me understand.

Do you honestly believe with all your heart that the church is more united since the "reformation' and because of it there is more Love in the world and false teachings have been abolished?

I believe the church (the true body of christ) has been united since day one. And that just like in isreal, where they have a history of just a FEW people who held the truth, and the rest of the nation was stuck in either national religiosity, or paganism. the same thing happened to the church. As God himself said. straight and narrow is the gate, and FEW their are who entered.

Do you really believe the truth was covered but rome for 1600 years?

What do you mean?? covered but rome? not sure what this means.

That just like muslims, mormons and other churches the 'reformed doctrine' is the one true church because a person started it in the name of truth?

I believe the church is spiritual. not physical. Yes it has a physical presence. but it is not in and of itself a physical thing. Thus lets not get into romanism, reformed, muslim or whatever. The Gospel is what makes the true church true. not the name or religion.

I also believe that at the end of the apostles ministries, heresies were already infiltrating the church. The apostles had to fight hard, to get the truth out, and warned that eventually they would take hold. We should be on guard for these things, and as he instructed timothy, as well as us. the only way to fight these heresies is with the scripture. Anything any teacher who comes in wants to teach, if it does not line up with scripture, it is not of God.

so tell me. why did a few hundred years later, we get away from what paul said, and started looking to outside sources. listen to me, not the word. the word will lead you astray only I can teach truth or interpret. and many other things which resembled exactly what happened to Isreal in there day and age, and stuck with them all the way up until 70 AD when they were taken out.?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ, the second person in the trinity, the Son of God could not controlled the church He established?

yes. But i also believe he will not overrule anyone free will. he warned us what would happen. and said if we did not watch out it would. and history shows it did. Your church wants me to believe god overruled mens free will, and forced them to get the right doctrine whether they wanted to or not. i can;t buy into this, especially since God also controlled isreal and was also their god. but he also did not overrule their free will.

Do you believe Jesus waited 1600 years to 'reform' the church and take the people of her pews so that truth was finally bestowed on her?

Do you believe that for close to 2000 years. the people God gave the laws and ordinances too, and the things of God, to be a light to the gentiles ended up twisting and distorting Gods word? Added rules and regulations and extra biblical things which were not given to god. and it took the comming of Christ to set things right. And that even during this whole time. People were saved? although these saved people were not part of the "religious right"

if it happened then, could it not have happened also to the church? Why could it not?? Again, God does not over rule Gods free will does it.

Did the God ever had this problem before Jesus came? How did they overcame it?

Yes, The nation of Isreal. Who according to God was his OT church.

He sent Christ. Who broke the man made laws, Who taught against the man made writings used by men and considered equal to Scripture. He took men to Scripture alone, proved who he was. Proved the true word of God was sufficient to bring us to salvation. Proved all the things spoken of in Gods true word would be fulfilled.

God then sent apostles out. And people like Paul and peter reasoned from SCRIPTURE (not the books written by church leaders) who they called their forfathers. And commanded all people to test what they were saying.

Like Paul said, We should be more like those in thessalonica, and less like other people. And searched the scriptures to prove these things are true. How can we do this if we are told 1. Scripture is not our only Guide, That the only people who can interpret the word is the few who are granted this so called infallible interpretation and so on and so forth. That should give us heed to run right their. The jews used the same arguments against Christ and his disciples.

Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

If every one that reads the bible is to know the truth why are there so many different truths out there? Which one has it right?

And this is different than the OT how? This is nothing new. Satan wants to cause hate and discord among those seeking God. So we should expect it. It went in the the NT also. people misusing the scripture paul wrote to their own damnation (those licentious people misinterpreting scripture written by paul)

Who is right? let me ask you this. when you get to heaven, who is God going to hold accountable? You for not studying and using scripture to prove the doctrine spoken of by men. or the men who have taught you?

The danger of listening to men, is God will not hold them accountable. he will hold you accountable. He sent the HS to teach you did he not? do you not trust God that he can show you all things concerning him? why do you trust men more?

That a religion of 2000 years has no idea of the truth even when the knowledge was passed down from a much older religion?

Ah, but that is just it.

1. They do not hold to the same gospel
2. They, like the older, have written other books, and hold them equal to scripture
3. they, like the older. teach men to listen to them only, for only they can get it right
4. They, like the older. Use the force of their power and position in the nation to force people to believe the way they did. or they would be imprisoned, killed or cast out forever
5. They, like the older, have twisted the word of truth to their own desires, and have forgotten the fact that in even the OT scripture alone, could make one have the knowledge which would save them. so why do we ad all these other things, not found in scripture, to the gospel? when many people were saved in the OT without these things not found in scripture?

do you not believe that Daniel, David, Abraham and other OT prophets and great men of God were saved the exact same way all men are saved, and will be saved up until the time this earth is taken away and a new earth is put in place? According to the church who ruled with an Iron fist for 1600 years. this is not true.

 

[mark54]

I HAVE GIVEN YOU YOUR ANSWER

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

THIS IS YOUR SALVATION AND EVERYONES ELSES

Will we be judged for reward for what we have done in the body, or as to where we spend eternity?

I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemed; he has crossed over from death to life
John 5:24

 

[Geometar]

There is to much nonsense here.I dont want to walk in circle.By this,no one here wont learn anything or understood.Some people hardly denies some obvious things!

 

[Rock022]

Thank you for your answers. We have completely different faith, for I do not need to see to have faith, you need proof.

I have faith Jesus remained in His church, you believe he gave men free will to destroy it. Even when he said He will always be with His church.

Many false prophets have come and made new denominations claiming the church is wrong that Jesus is no longer in it. What makes different the leaders of your church?

If you believe men took the church and not God. Why do you believe the bible, where is the book that tells us which scriptures are sacred? It says all scriptures, but which ones?

If you believe God had the power to guide them to use the correct scriptures why do you doubt God is there when a decision for the church is to be made?

Do you want just half of the word of God? Because it clearly says not everything was written, and to follow the traditions handed down. You abolish all traditions for scripture only so you deliberately avoid the other teachings. That's half the story.

 

[quickfire]

There is to much nonsense here.I dont want to walk in circle.By this,no one here wont learn anything or understood.Some people hardly denies some obvious things![/QUOTE

SALVATION. KNOCK SEEK FIND

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I HAVE GIVEN YOU YOUR ANSWER

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

THIS IS YOUR SALVATION AND EVERYONES ELSES

This would be a wrong answer. And shows where your problem lies. for this is NOT SALVATION, it is a judgment given only to those who ARE SAVED

Paul is not talking to the world when he says this. he is talking to those already saved. We who are saved do work for reward, Gold silver precious stone, wood hey and straw. But not those who are not saved. Their only reward is judgment.

This judgment is also in the greek called a BEMA judgment, this is the same judgment as found in the olympics. where the athletes are rewarded for how good they performed. Those who are not saved, will not appear at this judgment, they will appear at the great white throne judgment. Where they will be cast into outer darkness.

Not everyone will be saved, there is ONE gospel. not two, not 100. No every religion will get you to heaven to spend eternity with God. it is our duty and should be our focus to get this right, for if we get it wrong, our eternity is lost.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you for your answers. We have completely different faith, for I do not need to see to have faith, you need proof.

Quite the contrary, your the one who needs to see. My faith is in things not seen.

I have faith Jesus remained in His church, you believe he gave men free will to destroy it. Even when he said He will always be with His church.

No, you believe the men in your church got it right. i believe the church never disappeared. Your faith is in men, My faith is in God. (again the things not seen)

Many false prophets have come and made new denominations claiming the church is wrong that Jesus is no longer in it. What makes different the leaders of your church?

thats funny. Jesus was the greatest reformer to ever live. they killed him for his reformation doctrines which did not line up with the visible church. The same thing would have happened to Luther, and Calvin and all the other reformers if they appeared but 100 or so years earlier, we would never have had a reformation.. See how it all looks the same?

If you believe men took the church and not God. Why do you believe the bible, where is the book that tells us which scriptures are sacred? It says all scriptures, but which ones?

The ones which do not contradict each other. the ones which gave us enough knowledge to be saved before the NT was even written.

Why do you rely on books of men, and not scripture alone? When it is clear scripture is ALL we need to be saved? Yet according to your church, this is not true. why?

If you believe God had the power to guide them to use the correct scriptures why do you doubt God is there when a decision for the church is to be made?

why? Because men with power change things to support their own views. and when they are priviledged enough to have the power and might of the most powerful army at the time, and use this power to FORCE everyone to believe their way and no other way. I have a problem with that. God never told us to do this, ever..

Do you want just half of the word of God? Because it clearly says not everything was written, and to follow the traditions handed down. You abolish all traditions for scripture only so you deliberately avoid the other teachings. That's half the story.

No, it does not say everything was not written. it says not everything that happened was written (all the eyewitness accounts) Do you honestly want me to believe God spent 200 years writting his holy book. only to leave it unfinished? and then depend on us to trust men and not his word?

 

[Geometar]

This would be a wrong answer. And shows where your problem lies. for this is NOT SALVATION, it is a judgment given only to those who ARE SAVED

Paul is not talking to the world when he says this. he is talking to those already saved. We who are saved do work for reward, Gold silver precious stone, wood hey and straw. But not those who are not saved. Their only reward is judgment.

This judgment is also in the greek called a BEMA judgment, this is the same judgment as found in the olympics. where the athletes are rewarded for how good they performed. Those who are not saved, will not appear at this judgment, they will appear at the great white throne judgment. Where they will be cast into outer darkness.

Not everyone will be saved, there is ONE gospel. not two, not 100. No every religion will get you to heaven to spend eternity with God. it is our duty and should be our focus to get this right, for if we get it wrong, our eternity is lost.

Hahahaha!Damn funny!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hahahaha!Damn funny!

tell that to God when you stand in front of him. And he asks you why you did not place your faith in his one true gospel.

Unless you finally find that one gospel. and place your faith in it.

 

[Rock022]

I ask those whom I have offended to forgive my rudeness at times. We get passionate on the subjects and sometimes the most important thing of all does not rule our conversations. That is to Love one another. I do not intend to offend anyone for I am only discussing matters which are important to us all.

Thank you for those who have participated on the subject, this has made my faith grow.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

for those of you who think my response to 2 cor 5 was funny. Lets look at context.. and see just how funny it is!!

who is the "we" paul is talking about??


5 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Do people get a sense of it yet?

1. We have a building from God. Does an unbeliever who is not saved have a building from God?
2, Our house is eternal. Does anyone who is not saved have an eternal house in heaven waiting for them?
3. We grown, waiting to be in our house. Again Does one who is not saved, or assured of eternity grown waiting for the house promised to ALL who believe and have eternal life?
4. God has prepaird this place for us. What place has God prepaird for those who are not saved? is it not hell??
5. WE have been given the spirit as a guarantee. Do those who are not saved, or are not assured salvation have this spirit? and guarantee of what? is it not eternal life.

So how can we say Paul spoke of the whole world here??

Continuing!!

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.


1. We are confident, knowing we are absent from God. Is an unbeliever confident, knowing he is absent from God? An unbeliever does not even know he will be with God. let alone have confidence. Does he even believe in God? Nor are they that are not assured salvation!
2. WE, make it our aim to be well pleasing to him. The same we's paul has spoken of since verse 1. Those who are saved, those who have assurance, those who have been given the spirit as a guarantee. why?

10 For we (the same wes spoken of since verse 1) must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

So before you laugh, and think you know better than anyone else. Why don't you learn to look at scripture in context. and stop pulling little verses out of thin air. take them out of context. and LAUGH at people who disagree with you.

This is not from God. and it certainly is not helpful to your own eternal desires.

People say we hate because we disagree. The fact is, If you see someone on a path which will lead them to hell. Only your hatred would cause you not to confront them and not show them truth. A person who is loving of all people, would confront them, and attempt to show them truth, This universal gospel which Geometer is placing his faith in is from satan himself. I just pray he soon realizes this, and realizes we are not haters, we are trying to help him, not judge him. Only God can judge..i, and no man on earth, do not have this authority,.

 

[Geometar]

tell that to God when you stand in front of him. And he asks you why you did not place your faith in his one true gospel.

Unless you finally find that one gospel. and place your faith in it.

Looks like i have already said this...
Problem is that u have reformed something,instead to repent and back to Original.

 

[quickfire]

This would be a wrong answer. And shows where your problem lies. for this is NOT SALVATION, it is a judgment given only to those who ARE SAVED

Paul is not talking to the world when he says this. he is talking to those already saved. We who are saved do work for reward, Gold silver precious stone, wood hey and straw. But not those who are not saved. Their only reward is judgment.

This judgment is also in the greek called a BEMA judgment, this is the same judgment as found in the olympics. where the athletes are rewarded for how good they performed. Those who are not saved, will not appear at this judgment, they will appear at the great white throne judgment. Where they will be cast into outer darkness.

Not everyone will be saved, there is ONE gospel. not two, not 100. No every religion will get you to heaven to spend eternity with God. it is our duty and should be our focus to get this right, for if we get it wrong, our eternity is lost.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

this has everything to do with your salvation. salvation is just the start when you ask jesus to be a part of your life you know that and i know that.

but your still judged on what you do and what you say and your way of helping people come to there salvation.

your own salvation is most important no one else is going to care about you if your cast out into the darkness are they.

but if you feel that you have a purpose and you want to help people great if you want to show the people the way to christ also great to, "but remember this jesus will not force his way into your life he will wait patiently and when your ready to seek the truth he will show you the way.

so you saying you better start praying to jesus is not gods way that is your way eternily grateful

quote posted by eternily grateful towards me keep trying to be holy.. you will still fall short of the glory of God and you can pray to mary all you want, you will still die in your sin.

this is not me im church of england we do not pray to mary we read the same bible as christians, this is you being presumptuous.

and as for 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
it does mean all .

 

[Geometar]

This would be a wrong answer. And shows where your problem lies. for this is NOT SALVATION, it is a judgment given only to those who ARE SAVED

Paul is not talking to the world when he says this. he is talking to those already saved. We who are saved do work for reward, Gold silver precious stone, wood hey and straw. But not those who are not saved. Their only reward is judgment.

This judgment is also in the greek called a BEMA judgment, this is the same judgment as found in the olympics. where the athletes are rewarded for how good they performed. Those who are not saved, will not appear at this judgment, they will appear at the great white throne judgment. Where they will be cast into outer darkness.

Not everyone will be saved, there is ONE gospel. not two, not 100. No every religion will get you to heaven to spend eternity with God. it is our duty and should be our focus to get this right, for if we get it wrong, our eternity is lost.

This is the main nonsense of Protestantism,but i am sure that Luther didn't teached this!I am sure he understood that SALVATION is PROCESS!
Saved are those who are IN CHRIST,those who are WITH CHRIST,those who are ON HEAVENS,NOT on EARTH!

Saved are free from sin,demons cannot infect them with evil thoughts!God haven't judged them,HE saved them!

If this Poul spoke to SAVED,then he spoke to those who are on HEAVENS!

That what u claimed here is pure nonsense!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

this has everything to do with your salvation. salvation is just the start when you ask jesus to be a part of your life you know that and i know that.

So you ignore everything Paul said up to this verse? Sorry, I do not pick verses out of a passage to support my believe, Scripture was not written in verse form. thus we should take everything in the passage to see context before we assume things.

Why did you not respond to my post about the whole passage, I proved it was not directed at the whole world. But only to those IN CHRIST. and you still want to say it is about salvation??

No salvation is not just the start. your either saved or your not saved, there is no inbetween. It is satan who wants you to think it is just the start. If is is just the start, and we have to rely on ourselves to finish it, we will fail. Utterly fail!

but your still judged on what you do and what you say and your way of helping people come to there salvation.

Yes I am. But if I am saved, I will recieve reward or no reward depending on how i do. But if I am not saved, I have nothing to look for but eternal death. This is the point your not seeing.

your own salvation is most important no one else is going to care about you if your cast out into the darkness are they.

but if you feel that you have a purpose and you want to help people great if you want to show the people the way to christ also great to, "but remember this jesus will not force his way into your life he will wait patiently and when your ready to seek the truth he will show you the way.

Amen to this. no argument here. God will show me. I do not need men to show me. They can try to help direct me. But I better not depend on them. for they are men whoever they are.

so you saying you better start praying to jesus is not gods way that is your way eternily grateful

Thanks for your opinion. But if you think everyone will get to heaven, that is not Gods way.

this is not me im church of england we do not pray to mary we read the same bible as christians, this is you being presumptuous

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and as for 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
it does mean all .

No it does not mean all. I proved that. You refusing to see this is not on me, it is on you.