Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

[eternally-gratefull]

This is the main nonsense of Protestantism,but i am sure that Luther didn't teached this!I am sure he understood that SALVATION is PROCESS!
Saved are those who are IN CHRIST,those who are WITH CHRIST,those who are ON HEAVENS,NOT on EARTH!

Saved are free from sin,demons cannot infect them with evil thoughts!God haven't judged them,HE saved them!

If this Poul spoke to SAVED,then he spoke to those who are on HEAVENS!

That what u claimed here is pure nonsense!

Nonsense? Tell that to God.

Scripture says I HAVE BEEN SAVED. It does not say I might be saved

It says I HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED, not I might be justified

It says I HAVE BEEN SET FREE and thus WILL NOT SEE GODS WRATH, not that I might be

It says I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. not that I might have it, or I have conditional life.

Teaching salvation is a process which only ends at death is a false gospel. No matter what church you go to!

Either claim the promises of God based on Christ or Christ alone, or keep working to try to earn something God calls a gift.. Scripture warns us about doing this, and tells us if we rely on this, we will not be saved, because we trust in self. not God.

Do you trust God? or are you going to continue to trust your own ability to live up to some standard? Well here is Gods standard. Perfection from the day you are born until you die. If you have not met this standard. Nothing you do will help you. Only Christ can help you.

 

[mark54]

Do you trust God? or are you going to continue to trust your own ability to live up to some standard? Well here is Gods standard. Perfection from the day you are born until you die. If you have not met this standard. Nothing you do will help you. Only Christ can help you.

Amen, there is no passmark of acceptability according to personal goodness

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen, there is no passmark of acceptability according to personal goodness

Amen, this is why the law could not save the jews.. nor could it save anyone else. the law condemns. To lead us to Christ.

men have a history of wanting to help themselves though. so what a better way that to chose to believe in Christ. AND still help themselves. That is why satan has had such great success with this lie. It fits in well with human thinking of self. which is what got us to trouble in the first place!

 

[Geometar]

So,u are saved and what now?
I am on the other side.I am the sinner first of all.What now?

 

[Geometar]

Nonsense? Tell that to God.

Scripture says I HAVE BEEN SAVED. It does not say I might be saved

It says I HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED, not I might be justified

It says I HAVE BEEN SET FREE and thus WILL NOT SEE GODS WRATH, not that I might be

It says I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. not that I might have it, or I have conditional life.

Teaching salvation is a process which only ends at death is a false gospel. No matter what church you go to!

Either claim the promises of God based on Christ or Christ alone, or keep working to try to earn something God calls a gift.. Scripture warns us about doing this, and tells us if we rely on this, we will not be saved, because we trust in self. not God.

Do you trust God? or are you going to continue to trust your own ability to live up to some standard? Well here is Gods standard. Perfection from the day you are born until you die. If you have not met this standard. Nothing you do will help you. Only Christ can help you.

This is the last level of self-deception.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So,u are saved and what now?

What now? As apul said, i desire to be with my lord. But I understand I am here for a reason. so I strive to live a life worthy of his calling.

I am on the other side.I am the sinner first of all.What now?

I am a sinner too. A sinner saved by Gods grace. who has a Father I can call my abbah father, because I was adopted into his family.. thus have not been given a spirit of fear (remember that verse?)

If your a sinner, and admit it. You are doing well. Now have you asked God to apply the death of our savior to your sin debt, so you can be forgiven of all sin, be justified in him, Have the hope of eternal life. and know you will get to heaven? or dwell on the fact your a sinner who needs to cover your sin so God may forgive you?

 

[Geometar]

Amen, this is why the law could not save the jews.. nor could it save anyone else. the law condemns. To lead us to Christ.

men have a history of wanting to help themselves though. so what a better way that to chose to believe in Christ. AND still help themselves. That is why satan has had such great success with this lie. It fits in well with human thinking of self. which is what got us to trouble in the first place!

They couldn't be saved because GOD haven't gave them the bath of forgiveness of sins!There were no possibility until Son of God and Son of Man haven't gave them that bath in a mistery of water and blood which came out of Christ ribs!
What could wash their sins alse?Nothing!

 

[Geometar]

The brethren came to the Abba Anthony and said to him, “Speak a word; how are we to be saved?” The old man said to them, “You have heard the Scriptures. That should teach you how.” But they said, “We want to hear from you too, Father.” Then the old man said to them, “The Gospel says, ‘if anyone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.’” (Matt. 5.39) They said, “We cannot do that.” The old man said, “If you cannot offer the other cheek, at least allow one cheek to be struck.” “We cannot do that either,” they said. So he said, “If you are not able to do that, do not return evil for evil,” and they said, “We cannot do that either.” Then the old man said to his disciples, “Prepare a little brew of corn for these invalids. If you cannot do this, or that, what can I do for you? What you need is prayers.”

good night

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is the last level of self-deception.

self deceptions?

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Romans 5:1 [ Faith Triumphs in Trouble ] Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Titus 3:7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Eph 1:3-14
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both[a] which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[b] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.


Notice every bolded word. Every one of them speaks of past tense things. Things we have RIGHT NOW. not things we MAY have in the future. Amd there are many more than this. I just gave you a basic list!


Seems like your the one who is self decieved my friend.


I have faith in God. And God says I have all those things. so why should I worry. You can have it too, if you just trust him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They couldn't be saved because GOD haven't gave them the bath of forgiveness of sins!There were no possibility until Son of God and Son of Man haven't gave them that bath in a mistery of water and blood which came out of Christ ribs!
What could wash their sins alse?Nothing!

so David and Abraham and Adam and Eve, And Jocob, and the people of Nineva are in hell because they could not be saved?

Don;t you understand that Paul said timothy, whou would have been a young man when Christ died. had enough scripture as a child. before Christ died, to be saved?

Christ old peter. he was already washed and clean (saved)

You have an odd way of looking at things. Davud was a man after Gods heart. He was saved before he die. And he was in paradise when Christ went into the grave. Not in hades, which is for the dead to Christ.

 

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quote posted by eternily grateful towards me keep trying to be holy.. you will still fall short of the glory of God and you can pray to mary all you want, you will still die in your sin.


im just wondering why you have not answered this, you seem to to have an answer for just about everything else

i asked you 2 weeks to ago to show where i have said i pray to mary but still you have not and still there has been no apology.

this is where you and me differ because if it was the other way round i would of apolagise by now. how ever i would never come out with a comment like this not ever. its very unkind.

and its not for you to say anyone will die in there sin

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The brethren came to the Abba Anthony and said to him, “Speak a word; how are we to be saved?” The old man said to them, “You have heard the Scriptures. That should teach you how.” But they said, “We want to hear from you too, Father.” Then the old man said to them, “The Gospel says, ‘if anyone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.’” (Matt. 5.39) They said, “We cannot do that.” The old man said, “If you cannot offer the other cheek, at least allow one cheek to be struck.” “We cannot do that either,” they said. So he said, “If you are not able to do that, do not return evil for evil,” and they said, “We cannot do that either.” Then the old man said to his disciples, “Prepare a little brew of corn for these invalids. If you cannot do this, or that, what can I do for you? What you need is prayers.”

good night

the sad part. even if they COULD do that, they would still not be saved, they would have performed human God, Which God calls filthy rags..

Only Blood can remove sin, Only death can remove sin, And Christ is the ONLY shed blood and ONLY death which can pay for our redemption..

Your trying to earn a gift. I pray you see soon this will not work.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

quote posted by eternily grateful towards me keep trying to be holy.. you will still fall short of the glory of God and you can pray to mary all you want, you will still die in your sin.


im just wondering why you have not answered this, you seem to to have an answer for just about everything else

i asked you 2 weeks to ago to show where i have said i pray to mary but still you have not and still there has been no apology.

this is where you and me differ because if it was the other way round i would of apolagise by now. how ever i would never come out with a comment like this not ever. its very unkind.

and its not for you to say anyone will die in there sin

I did not see you did not pray to mary, if you don;t I apologize. but the rest is still true.

 

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there are a great many things that are right that you can do and still be displeasing to the Lord.
If the reason you do them is to gain glory or fame for yourself or to get even with somebody else or to establish some wrong, inordinate relationship of which God does not approve then your motives are wrong.
if your motives are one that your scared that peoples faith is an inordinate relationship and your worried for there salvation, then good but i think you could put it a lot nicer than what you are eternily grateful.
i can bring up scriptures if you want to confirm this, but i do not want to.

I think that you are worried about peoples faith but you are also coming across as just being a little to hard.
we all have to except that we can be wrong sometimes no one is perfect we all learn from our mistakes.

anyways there is innocence of faith and so we have respect that,
but the judgement seat is for all eternily grateful its not something to afraid of for it is the beginning its is an evaluation.
god will show you the truth he will show you his walk in your life. amen

 

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Originally Posted by Geometar

The brethren came to the Abba Anthony and said to him, “Speak a word; how are we to be saved?” The old man said to them, “You have heard the Scriptures. That should teach you how.” But they said, “We want to hear from you too, Father.” Then the old man said to them, “The Gospel says, ‘if anyone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.’” (Matt. 5.39) They said, “We cannot do that.” The old man said, “If you cannot offer the other cheek, at least allow one cheek to be struck.” “We cannot do that either,” they said. So he said, “If you are not able to do that, do not return evil for evil,” and they said, “We cannot do that either.” Then the old man said to his disciples, “Prepare a little brew of corn for these invalids. If you cannot do this, or that, what can I do for you? What you need is prayers.”

good night

the sad part. even if they COULD do that, they would still not be saved, they would have performed human God, Which God calls filthy rags..

Only Blood can remove sin, Only death can remove sin, And Christ is the ONLY shed blood and ONLY death which can pay for our redemption..

Your trying to earn a gift. I pray you see soon this will not work.

funny that i did not see that like that, "that he was trying to earn a gift".
Keep your servant also from willful sins; may they not rule over me. Then will I be blameless, innocent of great transgression.
another translation to this is Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Then I shall be blameless, and innocent of great transgression

Where there is strife, there is pride,
but wisdom is found in those who take advice

goodnight

 

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Originaly posted by rock22


Is it possible that God did not give the seed of the original sin to the Blessed Virgin Mary, so that the body of God would not be stained by sin at all and become perfect?

rock what do you mean by this do you mean god somehow intervened and took her seed of original sin away from when mary was in her mother womb ?.
Because marys mum would have had to have had to have inherited the seed of sin right.
So its one of two things here Maybe mary had her seed of original sin removed whilst in her mother womb or after she was born.
Or Maybe when god decided mary was ready to give birth to Jesus.

I have been pondering on this now for days .


But its the first i have herd that we inherited our parents seeds of sin.
So this makes me think that we are all different and i dont see how god would allow his children to get of to a bad start and inherit there parents seed of sins.

So what where saying here is sin is passed down from man to man ?.
This has to be madness ?.
Because if that was So and he took marys seed of original sin away surly he would do that for us all, would he not?
I mean he would not want his new children of the world getting of to a bad start would he.?
I means this has to be madness does it not.

 

[Rock022]

Maybe this helps!

How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man.”293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” — a state and not an act. CCC

 

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Maybe this helps!

How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man.”293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” — a state and not an act. CCC

Its madness man complete and utter madness
I think im heading for the nut house.

 

[Rock022]

Have some ice cream and enjoy life. Love is what is all about!

 

[rauleetoe]

Who denies Mary was the mother of Christ?
I know not one.

Some here do..She was the mother of Christ..of his physical body..she was the 'gate' through which he entered into this world in fleshly form..She was not however..the mother of God the Father..the mother of Christ's physical body yes..

this is where i lovingly have to disagree and deviate from the 'Mary,mother of God' catholic saying on technicalities..because Mary was after all, Human..