Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)
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Nar not much more to go there bud bud. Ding ding.
But still a Nice wonferfull though Anyways.
Imaculate conception .
I think Jesus god would be unscathed by any original sin in his glory and holieness .
I think mary was blessed and is in heaven and she will be closr to god than all of us for sure bud bud.
Who knows Maybe god has a round table and mary sits there with god .
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Maybe mary is just a placid little creature and just spends her entire day pruning flowers in the gardens of heaven all the day.
But there is only one true head of the church and that is Jesus.
This is where catholics are let down.
Because because there pope changes things and claims he is jesuses vicar.
But still a Nice wonferfull though Anyways.
Imaculate conception .
I think Jesus god would be unscathed by any original sin in his glory and holieness .
I think mary was blessed and is in heaven and she will be closr to god than all of us for sure bud bud.
Who knows Maybe god has a round table and mary sits there with god .
.
Maybe mary is just a placid little creature and just spends her entire day pruning flowers in the gardens of heaven all the day.
But there is only one true head of the church and that is Jesus.
This is where catholics are let down.
Because because there pope changes things and claims he is jesuses vicar.
“Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” is referred to in Mark 3:28-30, where Jesus says:
“I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”
He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”
Matthew’s account of this (Matthew 12:31-32) is similar:
And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
There is only one way, that is by consciously refusing to accept God's forgiveness. God does not forgive because someone refuses to accept His forgiveness. You cannot do that by accident. It takes a conscious and continuous effort on your part.
Archpriest Seraphim Slobodskoy, in chapter 34 of his book The Law of God, had this to say regarding the sinning against the Holy Spirit:
"However, whoever knowingly and persistently rejects the most saving mercy of God, which is a blessing of the Holy Spirit, and consciously calls the deeds of the omnipotent God the works of the Devil, he has no means of repentance, and without repentance there is not and can never be salvation."
Metropolitan Archbishop Sotirios of the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto puts it this way:
"The correct interpretation, as it is given to us by the Church Fathers, is this: blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the denial by man out of hatred of God's power to save him. Even more simply, the man who does not believe that the grace of God--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--can save him, closes his heart to the actions of the Holy Spirit; he does not accept Grace. He does not proceed to repentance. He fights against the sanctifying and saving act of God. He creates within himself a sorrowful and incurable condition."
So in summary, it means that the deeds of the Holy Spirit are rejected and attributed to the evil one. Through this the person closes their heart to the action of the Holy Spirit, and therefore cannot be brought to that "godly sorrow" which "brings repentance that leads to salvation" (1 Cor. 7:10).
Here is St. John Chrysostom's explanation of the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (from Homily 41 on Matthew):
First then it were well to listen to the very words: "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto them. And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
What now is it that He affirms? Many things have ye spoken against me; that I am a deceiver, an adversary of God. These things I forgive you on your repentance, and exact no penalty of you; but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven, no, not to those who repent. And how can this be right? For even this was forgiven upon repentance. Many at least of those who said these words believed afterward, and all was forgiven them. What is it then that He says? That this sin is above all things unpardonable. Why so? Because Himself indeed they knew not, who He might be, but of the Spirit they received ample experience. For the prophets also by the Spirit said whatever they said; and indeed all in the Old Testament had a very high notion of Him.
What He says, then, is this: Be it so: you are offended at me, because of the flesh with which I am encompassed: can you say of the Spirit also, We know it not? And therefore is your blasphemy unpardonable, and both here and hereafter shall you suffer punishment. For many indeed have been punished here only (as he who had committed fornication,as they who partook unworthily of the mysteries,amongst the Corinthians); but ye, both here and hereafter.
Now as to your blasphemies against me, before the cross, I forgive them: and the daring crime too of the cross itself; neither shall you be condemned for your unbelief alone. (For neither had they, that believed before the cross, perfect faith. And on many occasions He even charges them to make Him known to no man before the Passion; and on the cross He said that this sin was forgiven them.) But as to your words touching the Spirit, they will have no excuse. For in proof that He is speaking of what was said of Him before the crucifixion, He added, "Whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Ghost," there is no more forgiveness. Wherefore? Because this is known to you; and the truths are notorious which you harden yourselves against. For though ye say that you know not me; yet of this surely you are not ignorant, that to cast out devils, and to do cures, is a work of the Holy Ghost. It is not then I only whom you are insulting, but the Holy Ghost also. Wherefore your punishment can be averted by no prayers, neither here nor there.
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her of my Lord (Heresy?)
Quote: Originally Posted by quickfire But there is only one true head of the church and that is Jesus. This is where catholics are let down. Because because there pope changes things and claims he is jesuses vicar.
Quote geo
This is what Orthodox claim and this was one of the main cause for spliting of the Church.
A couple of questions here.
Rock22 dø you have a explanation for this.
And Geo im still waiting for an answer from you i,ve been waiting 4 days.
Geo your scripture you posted from orthodox origin claims the spotless mary entered the holie of holy,?
What is ment by spotless.
And second question i asked you Geo is does orthodox teaching teach that mary was able to succesfully remain sinless all her life.
Just answer yes or no to this question please.
Quote: Originally Posted by quickfire But there is only one true head of the church and that is Jesus. This is where catholics are let down. Because because there pope changes things and claims he is jesuses vicar.
Quote geo
This is what Orthodox claim and this was one of the main cause for spliting of the Church.
A couple of questions here.
Rock22 dø you have a explanation for this.
And Geo im still waiting for an answer from you i,ve been waiting 4 days.
Geo your scripture you posted from orthodox origin claims the spotless mary entered the holie of holy,?
What is ment by spotless.
And second question i asked you Geo is does orthodox teaching teach that mary was able to succesfully remain sinless all her life.
Just answer yes or no to this question please.
God chose to pick someone. If He had picked Jane around the corner it would be the same thing. He chose Mary. She was a humble and godly woman, and likely she was great mother material. She was also chosen for her ancestry, so that scripture would be fulfilled.
Anyone being chosen to be a vessel for the Messiah would feel highly favored also. It would be amazing. This would not make the person sinless though. As I said before, God is God and does not need a perfect vessel to give birth to Jesus. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Anyone that views Mary as sinless is putting her on the same level as Jesus. Only Jesus was sinless, only He can save us, He was the one and only perfect sacrifice. If Mary was sinless then the world did not need Jesus, because Mary would meet the criteria. This is not biblical. There is no scripture stating that Mary was sinless or anyone else for that matter. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus even corrected Mary at one time. To suggest Mary was also sinless is to deny the true Gospel.
Can you see the bigger picture, how this doctrine of Mary being sinless, giving birth to a sinless Jesus, has led to many putting sole focus on her and away from Jesus? Even the last pope had a fascination with Mary and he died believing that it was Mary that saved him from being assassinated at one time.
My mother in-law lights candles to a statue of Mary each day and prays to her. Mary is in heaven. She can't hear anyone. She would be upset if she knew what was going on down here. She would want focus on her son. Salvation is through Jesus and she was just a vessel.
Anyone being chosen to be a vessel for the Messiah would feel highly favored also. It would be amazing. This would not make the person sinless though. As I said before, God is God and does not need a perfect vessel to give birth to Jesus. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Anyone that views Mary as sinless is putting her on the same level as Jesus. Only Jesus was sinless, only He can save us, He was the one and only perfect sacrifice. If Mary was sinless then the world did not need Jesus, because Mary would meet the criteria. This is not biblical. There is no scripture stating that Mary was sinless or anyone else for that matter. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus even corrected Mary at one time. To suggest Mary was also sinless is to deny the true Gospel.
Can you see the bigger picture, how this doctrine of Mary being sinless, giving birth to a sinless Jesus, has led to many putting sole focus on her and away from Jesus? Even the last pope had a fascination with Mary and he died believing that it was Mary that saved him from being assassinated at one time.
My mother in-law lights candles to a statue of Mary each day and prays to her. Mary is in heaven. She can't hear anyone. She would be upset if she knew what was going on down here. She would want focus on her son. Salvation is through Jesus and she was just a vessel.
This is incorrect. I believe what God's word, the bible, says. I don't listen to what men say.
The label 'protestant' was originally given to all that were not part of the Roman church. It's not an accurate title today because it covers a wide area of different doctrines, some of which still hold on to Roman teachings. Not all 'protestants' are saved. I don't believe a protestant doctrine because there are hundreds of protestant doctrines. I believe God's word, the bible and compare everything I hear to the bible. We're told to do this, to test all things.
What studies have you read? The bible doesn't support the teaching of a sinless Mary. You need to compare everything you read with the bible. As I said before, God is God and does not need a perfect vessel to give birth to Jesus. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If Mary were sinless then Jesus would not have been needed because Mary would've met the criteria. Only Jesus was sinless.
So, unless I agree with you I show no love? The worst thing a person can do is remain quiet about God's truths. While many don't like the truth, God wants us to share it, leading others to Christ, that they may be saved also.
If you disagree with something your child does and you try to help them because you see them going down a destructive road, would you say this is not love, because you are not agreeing with them? Would keeping quiet be love? We cannot compromise truth for the sake of unity.
When you're born again you become a saint
The label 'protestant' was originally given to all that were not part of the Roman church. It's not an accurate title today because it covers a wide area of different doctrines, some of which still hold on to Roman teachings. Not all 'protestants' are saved. I don't believe a protestant doctrine because there are hundreds of protestant doctrines. I believe God's word, the bible and compare everything I hear to the bible. We're told to do this, to test all things.
What studies have you read? The bible doesn't support the teaching of a sinless Mary. You need to compare everything you read with the bible. As I said before, God is God and does not need a perfect vessel to give birth to Jesus. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If Mary were sinless then Jesus would not have been needed because Mary would've met the criteria. Only Jesus was sinless.
So, unless I agree with you I show no love? The worst thing a person can do is remain quiet about God's truths. While many don't like the truth, God wants us to share it, leading others to Christ, that they may be saved also.
If you disagree with something your child does and you try to help them because you see them going down a destructive road, would you say this is not love, because you are not agreeing with them? Would keeping quiet be love? We cannot compromise truth for the sake of unity.
When you're born again you become a saint
The bible does not say this at all. We are to address our prayers to the Father.
Mary and the saints have passed on and cannot hear us. They're in heaven. There is nothing they can do for us. It's through Jesus we are saved and they play no role in our salvation or daily lives.
When you're born again you become a saint. Here on earth we can pray for each other. We're encouraged to.
Mary and the saints have passed on and cannot hear us. They're in heaven. There is nothing they can do for us. It's through Jesus we are saved and they play no role in our salvation or daily lives.
When you're born again you become a saint. Here on earth we can pray for each other. We're encouraged to.
Amen, amen!
Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"
Matthew 7:13-14: " “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"
Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"
Matthew 7:13-14: " “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"
As i have said,it is very wrong for us to believe like that.By the grace of God,departed in Christ can hear our appeals for help and,of course by their prayers to Christ our Mediator,give their big help to us on earth.
As i have said,2000years of the experience of Church,without any doubt,telling us this.
Whole this world exsist on prayers.
As i have said,2000years of the experience of Church,without any doubt,telling us this.
Whole this world exsist on prayers.
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This is all so very sad when a brother in god like geo can not say he believes mary was sinless all her life in case he gets bashed around the head.
instead he says she was spotless her all whole life.
BUT STOP pause , WHAT A LOVELY THOUGHT, are blessed mary full of grace was sinless her whole life.
or perhaps she was made pure from the holy one.
geo if you believe she was sinless her whole life its fine brother geo,
lets look at this another way, i hear christians say mary could not be sinless her whole life because her and all the rest of us inherited the original seed of sin,
so she is no different to anyone of us,
STOP, pause,
what a load of rubbish. really even if she does have the seed of original sin its not something she would act upon and become a sinner her self and its not something she would be judged upon either.
i think where this really comes from is someone blaming adam and eve for there sins. even if we did inherit them where all different, ie you would not put your hand in the fire if i told you too would you.
so what where saying here really is god can give mary a virgin the seed of the holy spirit and from her fruits of her womb shall come god in his flesh. but we can not say that god made mary a perfect temple first , IMAGINE THAT ,
lets look at it another way lets look at in a away you have never looked at it befor.
god stopped the original seed of sin coming any where near him whilst in marys womb either that or he soaked it up and spat it out (its one or the other if you feal mary was not sinless.
so ask your self this what ever happend in marys womb something would have happend to marys seeds of sins (and wheather you like it or not she would of been spirutual clean afterwards. (IF NOT BEFORE)
who knows the truth but to say that if mary was sinless she would be equal to god is wrong. simply because god wants us to pure god wants us to be good,
he doesnt want us to be sinners.
its all madness is what it is im not sure its even worth having a debate over my self.
if your a better person than me and have better standards than me then good as i would really love to learn from you, "not make you out to be bad because i see something i dont have is the way we should be looking at it.
because all i am hearing hear it not possible to be free of sin. (it is possible to have sin yes but its all so possible not to carry on sinning.
lets have a look at presumptuos sins because this is what deviding our friend ship.
and rock22 quick question i just asked you for an explanation on why the pope is the vicar of jesus in his church.
instead he says she was spotless her all whole life.
BUT STOP pause , WHAT A LOVELY THOUGHT, are blessed mary full of grace was sinless her whole life.
or perhaps she was made pure from the holy one.
geo if you believe she was sinless her whole life its fine brother geo,
lets look at this another way, i hear christians say mary could not be sinless her whole life because her and all the rest of us inherited the original seed of sin,
so she is no different to anyone of us,
STOP, pause,
what a load of rubbish. really even if she does have the seed of original sin its not something she would act upon and become a sinner her self and its not something she would be judged upon either.
i think where this really comes from is someone blaming adam and eve for there sins. even if we did inherit them where all different, ie you would not put your hand in the fire if i told you too would you.
so what where saying here really is god can give mary a virgin the seed of the holy spirit and from her fruits of her womb shall come god in his flesh. but we can not say that god made mary a perfect temple first , IMAGINE THAT ,
lets look at it another way lets look at in a away you have never looked at it befor.
god stopped the original seed of sin coming any where near him whilst in marys womb either that or he soaked it up and spat it out (its one or the other if you feal mary was not sinless.
so ask your self this what ever happend in marys womb something would have happend to marys seeds of sins (and wheather you like it or not she would of been spirutual clean afterwards. (IF NOT BEFORE)
who knows the truth but to say that if mary was sinless she would be equal to god is wrong. simply because god wants us to pure god wants us to be good,
he doesnt want us to be sinners.
its all madness is what it is im not sure its even worth having a debate over my self.
if your a better person than me and have better standards than me then good as i would really love to learn from you, "not make you out to be bad because i see something i dont have is the way we should be looking at it.
because all i am hearing hear it not possible to be free of sin. (it is possible to have sin yes but its all so possible not to carry on sinning.
lets have a look at presumptuos sins because this is what deviding our friend ship.
and rock22 quick question i just asked you for an explanation on why the pope is the vicar of jesus in his church.
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Experience is different. That may be a proof. Before you said that they say it works.
The reason I say may be a proof, is because some people may be attributing intercession to the saints that the saints did not actually do. Jesus might have overheard the prayer, and blessed the person anyway, and the saint did nothing.
The reason I say may be a proof, is because some people may be attributing intercession to the saints that the saints did not actually do. Jesus might have overheard the prayer, and blessed the person anyway, and the saint did nothing.