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Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith
Phil3:9
Phil3:9
Here is the righteousness The Lord gave to man to do
Deuteronomy 6:1,24-25 (KJV)
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: [24] And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. [25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.
The commandments given by God is the righteousness man must do before The Lord
I knew you did not know lets complete the verse you quoted above
Here is the righteousness The Lord gave to man to do
Deuteronomy 6:1,24-25 (KJV)
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: [24] And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. [25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.
The commandments given by God is the righteousness man must do before The Lord
Here is the righteousness The Lord gave to man to do
Deuteronomy 6:1,24-25 (KJV)
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: [24] And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. [25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.
The commandments given by God is the righteousness man must do before The Lord
So if you sin, is it wilfull deliberate sin?
And what do you believe is your righteousness before God?
And what do you believe is your righteousness before God?
For in the Gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last
Rom 1:17
But now a righteousness apart from law has been made known, to which the law and the prophets testify. This righteousness from, God comes by faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe
Rom 3:21&22
For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value, and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath
Rom 4:14&15
Therefore, no one will be declared righteous in his site by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
Rom 6:14
So my brothers, you also died to the law, through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead.
Rom7:4
Christ is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Rom 10:4
For through the law, I died to the law so that I might live for God
Gal2:19
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law
Gal 3:10
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing.
Gal2:21
Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law
Gal3:25
Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith
Phil 3:9
Pretty conclusive don't you think?
Rom 1:17
But now a righteousness apart from law has been made known, to which the law and the prophets testify. This righteousness from, God comes by faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe
Rom 3:21&22
For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value, and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath
Rom 4:14&15
Therefore, no one will be declared righteous in his site by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
Rom 6:14
So my brothers, you also died to the law, through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead.
Rom7:4
Christ is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Rom 10:4
For through the law, I died to the law so that I might live for God
Gal2:19
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law
Gal 3:10
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing.
Gal2:21
Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law
Gal3:25
Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith
Phil 3:9
Pretty conclusive don't you think?
A willful sin would be considered adultery even Wicked people know that adultery is wrong, this is willful sin. Breaking into another person home to steal is a willful sin the wicked know that stealing is sin
The Christian does not have a righteousness of law keeping
Do you know that the Israelites, Abraham, David, Noah, Daniel are Christians
Lets read
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Who was Israel and Moses following?
Christ
Jesus said
John 8:58 (KJV)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus was before Abraham
so it was Jesus (Melchizedek) who Abraham saw
Who Noah spoke to
Who spoke to Adam, eve and Enoch
They followed Christ
Jesus
Well I have been at this for a long time with eccl so will leave it there for now. But as the law is written on the heart and mind of the Christian,. wilfull sin covers far more than you have stated
Keep in mind Brother
Jesus don't change
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Where is the change in anything from Jesus
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
For I am the Lord , I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
There is no change in God
Well I have been at this for a long time with eccl so will leave it there for now. But as the law is written on the heart and mind of the Christian,. wilfull sin covers far more than you have stated
willful sin is knowing what sin is and continuing to sin. I just gave a couple of example
A priest sleeping or molesting little boys is willful sin
A pastor sleeping with the women in the church is willful sin
A married man cheating on his wife is willful sin
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Check this out ECC
Ezekiel 18:21-22 (KJV)
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
In order for The Lord not to remember your sins the person (wicked) must do lawful and right
Ezekiel 18:21-22 (KJV)
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
In order for The Lord not to remember your sins the person (wicked) must do lawful and right
Heb.10
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
The sins of those that have God's laws in their hearts and minds are those whose sins He will no longer remember. And which laws? All except those that were done away with when Jesus died. And if you have God's laws in you, you are doing your best to keep them.
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When most think of the covenant in the bible they do not understand what is being said. God said He would make a new COVENANT with the people. He NEVER said that He would change the contents. A new AGREEMENT was made. The old agreement was made with the blood of bulls and goats. The new agreement was made with the blood of Christ. But what did He say would be the contents;
Heb.10
[16] "......I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Those SAME laws that were in the first agreement are the same in the new agreement.
The agreement/covenant was how that contents were ratified. But the contents of the agreement/covenant remained the same.
Just as iog said.....the old and the new covenants are one in the same. the only difference was how the 2 were ratified. Let's confirm this with scriptures...let's read some of God's laws BEFORE the new covenant was ratified....
Exod.20
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[15] Thou shalt not steal.
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Lev.19
[15] Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
Lev.19
[18] Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deut.6
[5] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Now let's read what is still in effect with the new covenant....
Rom.13
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1 Cor.10
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1 Thes.4
[3] For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
James 2
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Same laws in BOTH COVENANTS!
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Heb.10
[16] "......I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Those SAME laws that were in the first agreement are the same in the new agreement.
The agreement/covenant was how that contents were ratified. But the contents of the agreement/covenant remained the same.
Just as iog said.....the old and the new covenants are one in the same. the only difference was how the 2 were ratified. Let's confirm this with scriptures...let's read some of God's laws BEFORE the new covenant was ratified....
Exod.20
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[15] Thou shalt not steal.
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Lev.19
[15] Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
Lev.19
[18] Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deut.6
[5] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Now let's read what is still in effect with the new covenant....
Rom.13
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1 Cor.10
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1 Thes.4
[3] For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
James 2
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Same laws in BOTH COVENANTS!
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Now I'm not going to get into a heavy discussion, because you and I have been at this for hours ECCL, but I am curious about something
As you know, Gentile Christians do not believe they have to follow the Mosaic law, but the Ten Comamndmets should be reflected in their lives
Is it your opinion that all Gentile Christians are wilfully and deliberately sinning by not following all of the Mosaic law(apart from animal sacrifices)
Just interested to hear your view on that(or iogs)
As you know, Gentile Christians do not believe they have to follow the Mosaic law, but the Ten Comamndmets should be reflected in their lives
Is it your opinion that all Gentile Christians are wilfully and deliberately sinning by not following all of the Mosaic law(apart from animal sacrifices)
Just interested to hear your view on that(or iogs)
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Now I'm not going to get into a heavy discussion, because you and I have been at this for hours ECCL, but I am curious about something
As you know, Gentile Christians do not believe they have to follow the Mosaic law, but the Ten Comamndmets should be reflected in their lives
Is it your opinion that all Gentile Christians are wilfully and deliberately sinning by not following all of the Mosaic law(apart from animal sacrifices)
Just interested to hear your view on that(or iogs)
As you know, Gentile Christians do not believe they have to follow the Mosaic law, but the Ten Comamndmets should be reflected in their lives
Is it your opinion that all Gentile Christians are wilfully and deliberately sinning by not following all of the Mosaic law(apart from animal sacrifices)
Just interested to hear your view on that(or iogs)
Acts 24:14 (KJV)
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 26:22 (KJV)
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 28:23 (KJV)
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Your forefathers knew the law
Before ECC answer let me ask you this
Are you saying that the Gentiles don't know adultery and stealing is a sin?
Are you saying that they don't l ow that adultery and lying is part of God's commandments?
Are you saying that the Gentiles don't know that taking the Lord name in vain is sin
Brother
Teenagers when the cheat on there girlfriend or boyfriend know its wrong
A toddler knows when he or she take another child's toy it's wrong
A Christian Gentiles knows when she or he creeps out on their spouse they are willfully sinning they may not use the word willfully but they know it is planned.
A person can sin through ignorance
Leviticus 4:2 (KJV)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
This is why Paul is always warning the Gentiles not to be ignorant
Romans 11:25 (KJV)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1 Corinthians 10:1 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Thessalonians 4:13 (KJV)
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
You do know that these are Gentiles that Paul is speaking to
Leviticus 4:2 (KJV)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
This is why Paul is always warning the Gentiles not to be ignorant
Romans 11:25 (KJV)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1 Corinthians 10:1 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Thessalonians 4:13 (KJV)
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
You do know that these are Gentiles that Paul is speaking to
Paul taught the Gentiles the law
Acts 24:14 (KJV)
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 26:22 (KJV)
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 28:23 (KJV)
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Your forefathers knew the law
Before ECC answer let me ask you this
Are you saying that the Gentiles don't know adultery and stealing is a sin?
Are you saying that they don't l ow that adultery and lying is part of God's commandments?
Are you saying that the Gentiles don't know that taking the Lord name in vain is sin
Brother
Teenagers when the cheat on there girlfriend or boyfriend know its wrong
A toddler knows when he or she take another child's toy it's wrong
A Christian Gentiles knows when she or he creeps out on their spouse they are willfully sinning they may not use the word willfully but they know it is planned.
Acts 24:14 (KJV)
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 26:22 (KJV)
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 28:23 (KJV)
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Your forefathers knew the law
Before ECC answer let me ask you this
Are you saying that the Gentiles don't know adultery and stealing is a sin?
Are you saying that they don't l ow that adultery and lying is part of God's commandments?
Are you saying that the Gentiles don't know that taking the Lord name in vain is sin
Brother
Teenagers when the cheat on there girlfriend or boyfriend know its wrong
A toddler knows when he or she take another child's toy it's wrong
A Christian Gentiles knows when she or he creeps out on their spouse they are willfully sinning they may not use the word willfully but they know it is planned.
I would appreciate an answer to the question if you wouldn't mind
A person can sin through ignorance
Leviticus 4:2 (KJV)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
This is why Paul is always warning the Gentiles not to be ignorant
Romans 11:25 (KJV)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1 Corinthians 10:1 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Thessalonians 4:13 (KJV)
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
You do know that these are Gentiles that Paul is speaking to
Leviticus 4:2 (KJV)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
This is why Paul is always warning the Gentiles not to be ignorant
Romans 11:25 (KJV)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1 Corinthians 10:1 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Thessalonians 4:13 (KJV)
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
You do know that these are Gentiles that Paul is speaking to
If a Gentile Christian does not follow all of the Mosaic law, bar burnt offerings, do you believe they are wilfully, deliberately sinning by not doing so?
Listen to these words of Peter
2 Peter 2:18-22 (KJV)
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
It's better to have not known the the truth than to know the truth and not do
2 Peter 2:18-22 (KJV)
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
It's better to have not known the the truth than to know the truth and not do
Listen to these words of Peter
2 Peter 2:18-22 (KJV)
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
It's better to have not known the the truth than to know the truth and not do
2 Peter 2:18-22 (KJV)
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
It's better to have not known the the truth than to know the truth and not do
I understand, you do not want to answer the question. That's fine, I wouldn't want to put pressure on you to do so
God Bless