Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

RickShafer · Jan 23, 2013

You seem to be upset about confession.
I merely stated that James said to confess your faults one to another.
Notice - "one to another" - please read - "one to another", not one to a priest.
Or one to a father. B.T.W. - it says in the same sentence to pray for one another - "and you will be healed".
When's the last time a priest prayed for you at confessional and healed you?
It hasn't happened.
And I can tell you why it hasn't, because you are caught up in tradition.
You are caught like a fish in the net of catholicism. You are religious.
Religions do well in the world. Religions are accepted by the world.
Do you not see the difference between religion and relationship?
Catholicism is a highly successful religion. Been accepted by the world at large, and kings and priests.
How do you reconcile that with what Jesus told His disciples, that all mankind would hate them?
Is it not because they had a true spiritual communion with the God of heaven(who satan tempted in the wilderness).
Read it and notice that satan is the king of this carnal realm. Quite the perplexity that your religion is so well received and
taken care of by the powers that be.
Geometar's church was received quite differently by the communists. So, at least he has that going for him.
What? - The fact that evil rulers actually persecuted his church, instead of coddling it(at in the Roman Catholic case)

Rock022, I don't want argue with you. But you are serving a religion instead of God.
Jesus said to the woman at Jacob's well that "God is a Spirit, and those that worship Him will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth" - John 4:24

Suites, robes? What's the difference? Outward symbols, what did the Lord say about outward atire to set one apart, or make one look Holy?
Read it, I don't have time to go into all the nuances of religious traditions.
Just know Rock, that your religion will not amount to anything.
Only your relationship. - - - - "Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works in your name!?"
But without relationship, Jesus pronounces judgement.
So if your soul tie is to your church instead of the Messiah, you will be in trouble.
(I'm not saying it IS, I'm saying if it is to your church instead of Jesus Christ, you will be in trouble)

quickfire · Jan 23, 2013

Rock022 said:

. Sure but it is related to purgatory ånd Why no one outside of cathlic faith can believe it.

This is also Why we have different faith today.

Rock022 · Jan 23, 2013

Rick I do not want to be here defending every single believe I have trough my faith either. I actually sign up to the site not knowing we catholics are considered heretics. I was actually shocked at this.

I signed up to the website do discus theology. But I have not been able to do it successfully because I can't even get trough a simple statement that the blessed virgin Mary is the mother of God the Son, the Second person in the trinity our Lord Jesus christ.

It is all about relationship Rick you are absolutely correct. What I have learned in the short time I have been in CC is that every denomination has some roman catholic beliefs. If I add all the denominations and they clearly post their believes you can see the catholic church.

I have some great material that we can discus, but it will not even get passed the first answer.

It is all about marriage, Jesus wants to marry us. You, me and every person that wants him.

To truly see God's image we need to look at the creation. He made us male and female. Male by himself does not make sense, woman by themselves do not make sense either. But put them together men and woman and you have Love, Life, Relationship, and much more.

Do you think that I am defensing the blessed virgin Mary because we are to worship Her. No! If you truly understand everything the church is really trying to show you, you will see the true miracle that happened, you will see Jesus in a much cleaner sense. Like I have said before the moon does not take away light from the sun, but it reflects the light from the sun. The problem is that people would want to argue [well we have eclipses every now and then] and I can not get to the simplicity of it all, people would always find ways to disapprove of the catholic church.

The most precious gift God gave us was sex. The devil has found a way to get us all wrapped up in believing sex is bad, it is sin and of the devil. God gave it to us, we create life from what God gave us.

There is so much more I would like to talk about but I can't because I can not even open the door for discussion with ought people arguing.

quickfire · Jan 23, 2013

The other main reasons rock Why catholic teaching went bad was because one of your earliest popes of rome was Handed
The crown of rome from the emperer constantine. In the 300s ad.

Pope sylvester i believe up until that point the popes
Of rome only had spirutual power.

But after constantine Handed his crown over it gave you pope secular power .
Pope sylvester should have not even have excepted because faith is not about power ånd control.
Its about faith. Rock this would never happen in todays world.

Rock Why dø you think people where being executed, ? because they had none latin scripture ???
In the dark ages ånd middle ages ??
No Its because the vatican had to much power given to them by constantine.
So you see rock this goes back å long way bud.

quickfire · Jan 23, 2013

Emperor of rome handing over his crown to pope slvester some where between 315 ad and 330 ad

Pope Sylvester I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RickShafer · Jan 23, 2013

I have some great material that we can discus, but it will not even get passed the first answer.

It is all about marriage, Jesus wants to marry us. You, me and every person that wants him.

It is a great subject, - Jesus' marriage to the church, the Holy Spirit's marriage to each believer's soul.
Please post it in a new thread. The Spiritual reality of the marriage of the Spirit to the church is well founded.
And I think your information would be well received.
I for one, would like to hear it. (Because it is obviously biblical), the Apostle Paul mentions it.
Please start a new thread rock022 about that subject, I promise you it will be well received because there is obvious scripture backing it up.
God bless you, I didn't mean to be so hard.

Rock022 · Jan 23, 2013

Quickfire you have not discovered anything new. There have been many stories that only focus on the bad. I focus on the good. THe claims you are making I really have no care for at the state I am in. What you claim was part of what took me out of the church for many years.

I have found that there is truth to every claim against the church. I have not debunked all of course, but I have understood so many that I just reached a point of faith. If you have true faith in your church, and nothing is "controversial" then your church is the world. Everything that is good and pleasing to our lord it is not accepted by the world.

It took me time to truly understand this, not to get it but understand:
When you read the bible and see darkness, it is actually the presence of too much light. As one looks at the sun, we can either go blind or see dark. This is because there is too much light for us. God is pure light, and the bible is our glasses so we do not go blind.

Think about it. No empire has lasted for so long, do you think this empire is made of men? Every day men try to take down the roman catholic church, even from the beginning. You are not uncovering new things, they might be to you. But also How accurate is this information? What source did you used? Once your roots go in to rich soil, they grow strong. You do not get saved because you are a catholic, you may have the fullness of the Lord, but not every catholic is saved or even understands this. There are many non-catholics that I now who I think will be safe, but this is not my worry because I can not save any one. Jesus does. I can show the truth, but every person has their truth! If bible only people understand that all traditions and believes we have are from scripture they would get it. But a bible only believer worships a book. A book that tells them not everything is written, it tells them to have faith. If you look to scripture with a black and white attitude, you will not get it. God is not black and white on paper.

Rick nailed it when he said it is about a relationship. It is all about relationship, the bible is the true word of God, but what good does it do if we do not develop a relationship with God, with each other. Nothing. the pages will rot, the book will deteriorate. When you understand that it is all about relationship, you can see how Jesus passed this relationship to His disciples, and the disciples to their disciples. The Holy Spirit was passed from person to person, breath to one another trough relationships.

So if I give you a bible and say, pray that the Holy Spirit guides you in to the truth, only to later find out that their truth and mine are not the same, it is because there was no relationship.

I could go on and on. but I am running out of time in the computer. God Bless!

quickfire · Jan 23, 2013

Rock022 said:

Quickfire you have not discovered anything new. There have been many stories that only focus on the bad. I focus on the good. THe claims you are making I really have no care for at the state I am in. What you claim was part of what took me out of the church for many years.

I have found that there is truth to every claim against the church. I have not debunked all of course, but I have understood so many that I just reached a point of faith. If you have true faith in your church, and nothing is "controversial" then your church is the world. Everything that is good and pleasing to our lord it is not accepted by the world.

It took me time to truly understand this, not to get it but understand:
When you read the bible and see darkness, it is actually the presence of too much light. As one looks at the sun, we can either go blind or see dark. This is because there is too much light for us. God is pure light, and the bible is our glasses so we do not go blind.

Think about it. No empire has lasted for so long, do you think this empire is made of men? Every day men try to take down the roman catholic church, even from the beginning. You are not uncovering new things, they might be to you. But also How accurate is this information? What source did you used? Once your roots go in to rich soil, they grow strong. You do not get saved because you are a catholic, you may have the fullness of the Lord, but not every catholic is saved or even understands this. There are many non-catholics that I now who I think will be safe, but this is not my worry because I can not save any one. Jesus does. I can show the truth, but every person has their truth! If bible only people understand that all traditions and believes we have are from scripture they would get it. But a bible only believer worships a book. A book that tells them not everything is written, it tells them to have faith. If you look to scripture with a black and white attitude, you will not get it. God is not black and white on paper.

Rick nailed it when he said it is about a relationship. It is all about relationship, the bible is the true word of God, but what good does it do if we do not develop a relationship with God, with each other. Nothing. the pages will rot, the book will deteriorate. When you understand that it is all about relationship, you can see how Jesus passed this relationship to His disciples, and the disciples to their disciples. The Holy Spirit was passed from person to person, breath to one another trough relationships.

So if I give you a bible and say, pray that the Holy Spirit guides you in to the truth, only to later find out that their truth and mine are not the same, it is because there was no relationship.

I could go on and on. but I am running out of time in the computer. God Bless!

i know rock its sickening the last two posts i made.
It does not just apply to your faith but my faith to
as church of england now officially a christian faith was know as anglican catholics and we where under the authority of the pope until 1500 ad.

i am sickened by my post and have not ment to upset you but this is the truth bud where do i go from here .

quickfire · Jan 23, 2013

edit spelling lol my phone is stuck on predictive.

i know rock its sickening the last two posts i made.
It does not just apply to your faith but my faith to
as church of england now officially a christian faith we was known as anglican catholics and we where under the authority of the pope until 1500 ad.

i am sickened by my post and have not ment to upset you but this is the truth bud where do i go from here .

Rock022 · Jan 23, 2013

Where we go from there is the same way it was meant to go. Up!

Every church has their good and their bad, you have found something which sounds to me quite bias to one side [against the church] but to understand the infallibility of a Pope it is crucial. People think the Pope has infallibility at all times, that is simply not true. At the present time I am reading a book written by Pope Benedict the XVI, Jesus of Nazareth. It is very interesting as he trues to show us who Christ really is. To truly see Christ we must look at Him and the relationship with His father. Anyway, this book is not a teaching of the church, it is an interpretation of Joseph Ratzinger. But that is another subject of it self.

It is faster to disproof than to approve. Of what you found was it in a library or the web? If it was on the web was it from a reliable source, like encyclopedia or something like that? Have you bother to hear the other side of the story, or based your judgment in this article you read?

Have you prayed to God to guide you in this study you are doing?

You have a good heart and you are searching something wonderful, just be careful.

Rock022 · Jan 24, 2013

quickfire said:

Your post on this thread was short compared to the other, but I will post the same answer...

This was at the end of your source:
In fact, the first man to be called a “Culdee” was Joseph of Aremethia. The Bible tells us that Joseph of Aremethia gave up his tomb for Jesus. Tradition tells us that he was actually the Uncle of the Virgin Mary, and therefore the Great-Uncle (or “half-Uncle” at least) of Jesus. It is also believed that Joseph of Aremethia traveled to the British Isles shortly after the resurrection of Christ, and built the first Christian Church above ground there. Tradition also tells us that Jesus may have spent much of his young adult life (between 13 and 30) traveling the world with his Great Uncle Joseph… though the Bible is silent on these years in the life

In the late 1300’s, the secret society of Culdees chose John Wycliffe to lead the world out of the Dark Ages.

This was my answer:

As I began to do my research on your post I found something not quite right at all.

This history claims that a "secret society" that started by the real half uncle of Jesus Christ himself who quietly moved to the British Isles and built a church who 563 years later became a bible school and for 700 years they were teaching against the catholic church and in the 1300's the secret society chose John Wycliffe to go against a corrupt church.

That is when I just stop searching. I am sorry but this has false witness written all over it for me, and if it were true, does this sound like the work of Jesus.

Who would have created a secret society who's only purpose was to destroy the church? Not Jesus.

quickfire · Jan 24, 2013

look i show you these are our two cathedrals in liverpool where i live. they are only half a mile apart
religions over here are pretty liberal to each other.

the brown one is our anglican church of england cathedral its made of brown stand stone.
it took 74 years to build

the other one is our roman catholic cathedral the one shaped in a dome with spikes is made of white and gray marble and only took 5 years to build

quickfire · Jan 24, 2013

Rock022 said:

Your post on this thread was short compared to the other, but I will post the same answer...

This was at the end of your source:
In fact, the first man to be called a “Culdee” was Joseph of Aremethia. The Bible tells us that Joseph of Aremethia gave up his tomb for Jesus. Tradition tells us that he was actually the Uncle of the Virgin Mary, and therefore the Great-Uncle (or “half-Uncle” at least) of Jesus. It is also believed that Joseph of Aremethia traveled to the British Isles shortly after the resurrection of Christ, and built the first Christian Church above ground there. Tradition also tells us that Jesus may have spent much of his young adult life (between 13 and 30) traveling the world with his Great Uncle Joseph… though the Bible is silent on these years in the life

In the late 1300’s, the secret society of Culdees chose John Wycliffe to lead the world out of the Dark Ages.

This was my answer:

As I began to do my research on your post I found something not quite right at all.

This history claims that a "secret society" that started by the real half uncle of Jesus Christ himself who quietly moved to the British Isles and built a church who 563 years later became a bible school and for 700 years they were teaching against the catholic church and in the 1300's the secret society chose John Wycliffe to go against a corrupt church.

That is when I just stop searching. I am sorry but this has false witness written all over it for me, and if it were true, does this sound like the work of Jesus.

Who would have created a secret society who's only purpose was to destroy the church? Not Jesus.

ok we save this for my other thread but this you post i did not post here so i have answer

not moved rock just traveled and i posted on a study studied by professors of scotish tradition
like you rc catholic tradition .

dont forget rock the christian faith did travel far and wide and it was not to destroy only to start the faith ... in scotland..

but you seee the faith was not corrupted by romans so it survived and thought back hundreds of years later in the dark ages..

bornagain3 · Jan 24, 2013

There is no heresy in calling Mary the mother of the Lord Jesus as the that is what the Scriptures declare her to be as you have quoted them. She was indeed a special person, chosen BY God and blessed BY God for the task of carrying God Incarnate in her womb. She was chosen BY God over all other women alive in Israel at the time and that makes her pretty special.

However the heresy comes in when one then tries to ascribe to her MORE than what God's Word tells us and elevate her to a position that was never hers. The Catholic Church calls Mary the mother of Jesus, the Queen of Heaven and one or other Pope decreed that she had been BODILY raised into Heaven after her death, although there is absolutely NO evidence of this whatsoever, but a Pope is infallible they tell me! This is called the assumption of Mary and is pure fiction!

Heresy comes in when people pray to a DEAD PERSON and request that dead person to mediate on their behalf before Almighty God, when the Word of God clearly tells us that there is ONLY ONE God and ONE Mediator between God and men, the MAN, Jesus Christ. Most Catholics will immediately deny that they pray to Mary, but my challenge to them is to recite the hail Mary and perhaps for the FIRST time in their lives, PAY ATTENTION to the words they are reciting and see how they are praying to a DEAD Mary and requesting her to pray for them! Therein lies the heresy!

quickfire · Jan 24, 2013

bornagain3 said:

The roman catholic pope publicy says mother of god , ånd thats it i saw his last speach at the vatican on yew year just gone he said hail mary mary mother of god in front of millions ... There is s difference because no where in the bible does it say mother of god ... Mother of lord is meaning lord jesus christ in the flesh..nothing more nothing less..
Its just another bad catholic saying

But this we are past now .. this old argument now ....

Geometar · Jan 24, 2013

bornagain3 said:

Bornagain,for many times we touched this topic.Also,many Protstants wanted to showe us that we are wrong,but they haven't and all attempts are useful.This isn't a question to who we pray,it is evident,but with what porpouse.When u start to understand that those who died in Jesus aren't dead,u will start to understand what are they doing in the place on Heavens made for righterous people.

I do not deffend Immaculate conception,that is something what Orthodox didn't hold never.

Geometar · Jan 24, 2013

quickfire said:

Impressive Temple of Saint Sava,Belgrade Serbia.

Some stilles of Orthodox Churches.

Tintin · Jan 24, 2013

Why do you still refer to her as the Blessed Virgin, Mary? She was blessed (still is) but she was only a virgin at Jesus birth. Later, she had some biological children with Joseph. Hence, she'd be the Blessed Mary or just Mary.

nathan3 · Jan 24, 2013

This thread has 5,892 views. why ?

Geometar · Jan 24, 2013

Tintin said:

This is something what isn't truth in fact,it is a big lie,as we have explained here.

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