Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible

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Jon4TheCross;893084 [SIZE=3 said:
It's clear to see that flesh and blood is not what I'm talking about when I say dead flesh (because the flesh I'm talking about can exist without ever appearing, although it has appeared). The dead flesh/holy flesh of God/holy earthen vessel/holy body of Christ, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, is real. How can something be slain from the foundation of the world and not exist at the foundation of the world? I understand it's a different concept, but it's surely Biblical, all the way back to circumcision and before. I could be using the words holy flesh, and they would mean the same thing, but then most people don't realize we can have holy flesh by having dead flesh (speaking according to the spirit of course). I emphasize dead flesh (according to the spirit) to help others to truly count the cost. Take this one verse for instance, and ask yourself, who is my brother?

THE lamb... which is Jesus... existed from the foundation of earth... HE had to come down from heaven and be made flesh like man... remember MARY... the VIRGIN BIRTH??? That was Jesus becoming Flesh... he had no Flesh before then... THE HOLY SPIRIT overshadowed MARY... PSST Holy SPIRIT... NOT THE HOLY FLESH.

Dead flesh would not hesitate to suffer instead of someone else, cause suffering for the name of Christ is great reward, and it's only suffering according to the perspective of the flesh.

Sure... It didn't hurt Jesus a BIT to be beaten, whipped with a cat-a-nine-tails until he was torn apart, have a crown of thorns thrust onto his head... forced to carry a cross... nailed hand and feet upon it, hung upon it, unable to breathe... hanging there having been TORTURED... naw didn't hurt a bit... ROLLING EYES[/SIZE]:rolleyes:

Fact is it was soooooooo easy and willing for him he sweated blood in prayer that night at gethseme praying... let this CUP PASS... cuz he was so looking forward to being tortured.

 
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So I'll post this again, since there has been no scripture to contradict that dead/holy flesh (spiritually speaking) can exist before it is manifested or appears.

I'll try to make it as simple as I possible know how to.

What was slain from the foundation of the world in this passage? Was it spirit, or flesh?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Also, what names were written from the foundation of the world, names of spirits, or names of fleshs?

Rev_17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

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Hebrews 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

you see the sacrifice was done "now, once at the end of the ages" not at the foundation of the world.
 

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Jon4TheCross;893084 [SIZE=3 said:
It's clear to see that flesh and blood is not what I'm talking about when I say dead flesh (because the flesh I'm talking about can exist without ever appearing, although it has appeared). The dead flesh/holy flesh of God/holy earthen vessel/holy body of Christ, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, is real. How can something be slain from the foundation of the world and not exist at the foundation of the world? I understand it's a different concept, but it's surely Biblical, all the way back to circumcision and before. I could be using the words holy flesh, and they would mean the same thing, but then most people don't realize we can have holy flesh by having dead flesh (speaking according to the spirit of course). I emphasize dead flesh (according to the spirit) to help others to truly count the cost. Take this one verse for instance, and ask yourself, who is my brother?

THE lamb... which is Jesus... existed from the foundation of earth... HE had to come down from heaven and be made flesh like man... remember MARY... the VIRGIN BIRTH??? That was Jesus becoming Flesh... he had no Flesh before then... THE HOLY SPIRIT overshadowed MARY... PSST Holy SPIRIT... NOT THE HOLY FLESH.

Dead flesh would not hesitate to suffer instead of someone else, cause suffering for the name of Christ is great reward, and it's only suffering according to the perspective of the flesh.

Sure... It didn't hurt Jesus a BIT to be beaten, whipped with a cat-a-nine-tails until he was torn apart, have a crown of thorns thrust onto his head... forced to carry a cross... nailed hand and feet upon it, hung upon it, unable to breathe... hanging there having been TORTURED... naw didn't hurt a bit... ROLLING EYES[/SIZE]:rolleyes:
I didn't say it didn't hurt according to the perspective of the flesh. Jesus did it willingly, partly because He was not subject to the motivation of the flesh, not at all.
Like I said, it's only suffering according to the perspective of the flesh, but it is suffering according to the perspective of the flesh, and the flesh doesn't like to suffer, but we are not supposed to be under the power of the flesh, cause it's supposed to be dead.
 

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I'll try to make it as simple as I possible know how to.

What was slain from the foundation of the world in this passage? Was it spirit, or flesh?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Also, what names were written from the foundation of the world, names of spirits, or names of fleshs?

Rev_17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 
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Jon4... if the God almighty requires your life tonight... I am not able to assure you that your eternal reward is heaven... Sorry.
You can change that by repenting... but that is up to you. I do encourage you to do it... quickly.
 

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Ariel and Barly in the last few posts gave you everything you need to know to repent and get in line with God's Word.

you should consider it carefully.



time for a new hobby jon4.

unsubscribe.
 

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Is it possible to experience something without the flesh going through the motions? Like a dream perhaps? I have experience very realistic dreams within dreams. I have even woke up after dreaming, and waking up was part of the dream, and then I really woke up. We cannot begin to think that we comprehend God, and God can experience what He wants to experience before it actually happens in a different perspective or reality. What is real life? Is it what we call "living" in these mortal bodies? That is not real life. Real life begins when a person is born again.
 

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Ariel and Barly in the last few posts gave you everything you need to know to repent and get in line with God's Word.

you should consider it carefully.



time for a new hobby jon4.

unsubscribe.
I musta missed it. I still don't see what scriptures prove that the Lamb was not slain from the foundation of the world. God wrote that for a reason, exactly the way it is written. I'm sorry if you don't approve of the lamb being slain from the foundation of the world, but it cannot be contradicted.
 

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Jon4... if the God almighty requires your life tonight... I am not able to assure you that your eternal reward is heaven... Sorry.
You can change that by repenting... but that is up to you. I do encourage you to do it... quickly.

You must think I'm not used to this?

1Co_6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
 

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Rev_13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I still don't understand why it's so hard to see for y'all. There is absolutely no scriptures to contradict that dead flesh (from the spirit perspective, not the flesh) can exist before it is manifested or appears. I have clearly explained what I mean by dead flesh, and it seems that not many are very fond of the idea of the flesh being dead to you. It's an age old battle.

My advice is to start looking for things that you are under the power of (food,clothing,luxuries, lifestyle, what you spend time doing, etc). When you can't find anything anymore that you're under the power of (except God), then you might have dead flesh.

1Co_6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
 

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Perhaps all this can be clearly understood by asking anyone to answer the following questions:

Where are you from?
Who are you?
What are you?
What is your ultimate goal?

I don't know my real name, am less than a half hour old, am masculine (but have no body parts to make Gods children), I am from heaven, am a child of God working in this everlasting priesthood, am made out of Light, am a holy spirit by measure, and my ultimate goal is continuously spending uninterrupted and focused time with God forever.
 
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i given up trying to put up my outerlimits image:p
 

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Jon, are you witnessing of how you feel after being Baptized with the Holy Spirit?
 
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Jon, I'm sorry but your last post just proved that you're an idiot.
 

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This may help:

1 Corinthians 15

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord
 
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I have a question, if it so happens God FILLS me with HIS SPIRIT, where is my spirit then? It cannot be with me, because GOD IS FULL in me. Where am I then?

I know where we go when God fills us with HIMSLEF, who else knows? Where are all the holy ones? If God's Spirit made them ONE SOUL, then where are the other souls? And we know the soul is in the blood.

One more idea.... If I die (lose my life) for HIS NAME SAKE, how did I lose my life? How do I die for HIS NAME SAKE? And does the flesh have his own will? Really, this water mass we call flesh, does it have his own will, or life?
 
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This is bothering me,if Jesus was dead in the flesh and dead flesh cannot be tempted then how is Jesus able to understand when we go through temptation?

Hebrews 4

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[SUP][f][/SUP] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Hebrews 2


[SUP]14[/SUP]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—[SUP]15 [/SUP]and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For this reason he had to be made like them,[SUP][k][/SUP] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God,and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Luke 4

4 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]where for forty days he was tempted[SUP][a][/SUP] by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.

It does not make any sense if Jesus was not able to be tempted.
 
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This is bothering me,if Jesus was dead in the flesh and dead flesh cannot be tempted then how is Jesus able to understand when we go through temptation?

Hebrews 4

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[SUP][f][/SUP] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Hebrews 2


[SUP]14[/SUP]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—[SUP]15 [/SUP]and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For this reason he had to be made like them,[SUP][k][/SUP] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God,and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Luke 4

4 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]where for forty days he was tempted[SUP][a][/SUP] by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.

It does not make any sense if Jesus was not able to be tempted.
Don't take seriously everything you read on the internet, it will drive you crazy if you do
Good scriptures BTW