Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible

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Jon4TheCross

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I'll try to make it as simple as I possible know how to.

What was slain from the foundation of the world in this passage? Was it spirit, or flesh?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Also, what names were written from the foundation of the world, names of spirits, or names of fleshs?

Rev_17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 
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Ariel82

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I'll try to make it as simple as I possible know how to.

What was slain from the foundation of the world in this passage? Was it spirit, or flesh?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
context would be key....

the names are written in the book since the foundation of the world. NOT that the Lamb was slain at that time.

here's another clearer verse:

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


you are totally misunderstanding the scripture by bolding what you want it to say instead of reading it in clear context.

Jesus was not slain at the foundation of the world but was foreordained but was made MANIFEST as a Child of a virgin with HUMAN flesh. WHo died and rose again in a NEW body.

1 Peter 1:20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you


Hebrews 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

you see the sacrifice was done "now, once at the end of the ages" not at the foundation of the world.

.... just read your changes... the NAMES are of the CHILDREN of GOD who have SPIRIT, SOUL and BODIES. the whole THREE in one mirror image thing you probably don't understand.... they too were FOREORDAINED, but does not mean they existed in Heaven with fleshly bodies until their manifestation. it means God planned it that way. GOD created them. that is what FOREORDAINED means.
 
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Jon4TheCross

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There is no denying that (spiritually speaking) dead flesh is holy flesh (spiritually speaking). There is no denying that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (and that doesn't necessarily mean that the Lamb wasn't slain before the foundation of the world). There is no denying that our Father is the Father of lights, and I am made out of Light by measure. God has no measure. The holy/dead flesh of God (according to the spirit) existed from the foundation of the world, which was before Jesus appeared on this earth.
 
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is there a doctor in the house?
have you seen the doc yet?

I think I'm going to go pray some more and seek our Heavenly Physician on this case.....
 

Jon4TheCross

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context would be key....

the names are written in the book since the foundation of the world. NOT that the Lamb was slain at that time.

here's another clearer verse:

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


you are totally misunderstanding the scripture by bolding what you want it to say instead of reading it in clear context.

Jesus was not slain at the foundation of the world but was foreordained but was made MANIFEST as a Child of a virgin with HUMAN flesh. WHo died and rose again in a NEW body.

1 Peter 1:20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you


Hebrews 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

you see the sacrifice was done "now, once at the end of the ages" not at the foundation of the world.

.... just read your changes... the NAMES are of the CHILDREN of GOD who have SPIRIT, SOUL and BODIES. the whole THREE in one mirror image thing you probably don't understand.... they too were FOREORDAINED, but does not mean they existed in Heaven with fleshly bodies until their manifestation. it means God planned it that way. GOD created them. that is what FOREORDAINED means.
you said that Jesus was not slain from the foundation of the world, but The Word of God says:


Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Do you not see a contradiction there? The Word of God clearly states the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." It seems that you just don't want it to be true?
 

Jon4TheCross

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It's a matter of something existing before it appears/manifests. Is that so hard to see?
 

Jon4TheCross

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context would be key....

the names are written in the book since the foundation of the world. NOT that the Lamb was slain at that time.

here's another clearer verse:

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


you are totally misunderstanding the scripture by bolding what you want it to say instead of reading it in clear context.

Jesus was not slain at the foundation of the world but was foreordained but was made MANIFEST as a Child of a virgin with HUMAN flesh. WHo died and rose again in a NEW body.

1 Peter 1:20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you


Hebrews 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

you see the sacrifice was done "now, once at the end of the ages" not at the foundation of the world.

.... just read your changes... the NAMES are of the CHILDREN of GOD who have SPIRIT, SOUL and BODIES. the whole THREE in one mirror image thing you probably don't understand.... they too were FOREORDAINED, but does not mean they existed in Heaven with fleshly bodies until their manifestation. it means God planned it that way. GOD created them. that is what FOREORDAINED means.
You have provided no verses that contradict that something can exist (even dead flesh) before it appears or is manifested. you gotta read those scriptures more carefully.
 
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Lust of the Flesh, Lust of the Eyes and the Pride of Life

I John 2: 15-17: "Love not the world, neither the things that are in
the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in
him.
16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust
of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of
the world.
17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
doeth the will of God abideth for ever."

Human Flesh Wars Against the Spirit of God

"Romans 7: 9-14: "For I was alive without the law once: but when the
commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by
it slew me.
12. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But
sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is
good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."

Romans 7: 24-25 "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from
the body of this death?
25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind
I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned." I Corinthians 2; 14

"For the flesh lusteth against the
Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the
one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
Galatians 5:17
Galatians 5: 16-19: "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye
shall not fulful the lust of the flesh....................
18. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20. Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,
strife, seditions, heresies,
21. Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the
which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Flesh and Blood Cannot Inherit The Kingdom of God
I Corinthians 15: 49-52 "And as we have borne the image of the
earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we
shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for
the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed."
 
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Powemm

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spirit speaks
Life always

Flesh speaks death to the spirit

Easy discernment here....


the flesh exemplifies - frustration , mockery
, belittling , and crucifying the spirit ...
Always remember this ...
 

zone

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spirit speaks
Life always

Flesh speaks death to the spirit

Easy discernment here....


the flesh exemplifies - frustration , mockery
, belittling , and crucifying the spirit ...
Always remember this ...
Powemm, if you're trying to tell me to lay down and take it when someone says the Eternal God existed in dead [unclean] flesh it won't work.

help your friend line up with the scriptures - that's maybe where you want to focus your speaking life.
he's in trouble.
 
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Powemm

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There is a mix of flesh and spirit in this conversation ...

Spirit speaks life ALWAYS , it knows no death ..... Period !
 

zone

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There is a mix of flesh and spirit in this conversation ...

Spirit speaks life ALWAYS , it knows no death ..... Period !
there's blasphemy in this thread.
deal with it.
clean it up.
 
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Ariel82

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Bible speaks

crucify the sinful flesh Always

Spirit exemplifies Heavenly Wisdom
first pure

, then Peaceable, Gentle,
Willing to yield,

Full of mercy and good fruits,

Without partiality and without hypocrisy. (james 3:17)

Bible SpEaks; correction and chastens

causes people to cruxify FLesh.

Bible Speaks; use cleansed Flesh
thru Blood of Lamb
to
do Will of God
Guided by Holy Spirit.
 
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Powemm

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Have a wonderful rest everyone ...I have to depart... Gotta get up early. .... Remember love at all times ...
Fruits of the spirit no matter what we are doing are----> love, joy, peace, patience ,Kindness, and long suffering ... We are all in this together .....
Night
Chelle
 

Jon4TheCross

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I thought I might expound on this, to clarify that there are always at least two perspectives (perspective of the flesh, and perspective of the spirit).

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

It's clear to see that flesh and blood is not what I'm talking about when I say dead flesh (because the flesh I'm talking about can exist without ever appearing, although it has appeared). The dead flesh/holy flesh of God/holy earthen vessel/holy body of Christ, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, is real. How can something be slain from the foundation of the world and not exist at the foundation of the world? I understand it's a different concept, but it's surely Biblical, all the way back to circumcision and before. I could be using the words holy flesh, and they would mean the same thing, but then most people don't realize we can have holy flesh by having dead flesh (speaking according to the spirit of course). I emphasize dead flesh (according to the spirit) to help others to truly count the cost. Take this one verse for instance, and ask yourself, who is my brother?



1Jn_3:17
But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? ...

Dead flesh would not hesitate to suffer instead of someone else, cause suffering for the name of Christ is great reward, and it's only suffering according to the perspective of the flesh.



 
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BarlyGurl

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Spirit speaks life ALWAYS , it knows no death ..... Period !
And Jesus SAID...
John 11:14 So he told them plainly, "Lazarus is dead."
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esus is God... but he knew death.
Luke 9:60
Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
Matt. 27:50 Then Jesus cried out with a loud voice again and died.


 

Jon4TheCross

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there's blasphemy in this thread.
deal with it.
clean it up.
care to explain with some scripture? Still there has been no scriptures to contradict that holy flesh/dead flesh (or you could call it motivation of the flesh, but that's what the flesh is spiritually speaking) can exist before it appears. If it's blasphemy to say that God died for us before WE experienced God dying for us, then the Bible is full of blasphemy. I guess I don't know what you mean by blasphemy either.
 
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Powemm

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father ,
thank you for bringing this trial to all of is ...,
as you are looking at what's really in our hearts... I pray that what you see coming out is satisfying to you ...
that you are satisfied with our words to one another , in our kindness and patience with one another ...c
As your words , kindness, patience, and love are towards us ... forgive us if we are wring in any of it as we are all coming closer to you through it ... Thank you for loving us when others do not... Thank you for the reminder of it too...
In this your Son, Jesus Christ I pray ...
Amen and amen
 

Jon4TheCross

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And Jesus SAID...


John 11:14 So he told them plainly, "Lazarus is dead."
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esus is God... but he knew death.
Luke 9:60
Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
Matt. 27:50 Then Jesus cried out with a loud voice again and died.


Jesus first used the spirit perspective which they did not understand, then He switched to the flesh perspective and they understood what He meant.

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep....

When Jesus spoke of the dead burying their dead, was He talking about dead flesh burying dead flesh, no. He was talking about dead spirits burying dead (from the perspective of the flesh) bodies.
 

zone

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care to explain with some scripture?
i'm still waiting for you to do it.

Still there has been no scriptures to contradict that holy flesh/dead flesh (or you could call it motivation of the flesh, but that's what the flesh is spiritually speaking) can exist before it appears.
changing your mind/story?

If it's blasphemy to say that God died for us before WE experienced God dying for us, then the Bible is full of blasphemy. I guess I don't know what you mean by blasphemy either.
read below:

I see that it would be edifying to post this thread about the dead/holy flesh of God, and it's true that God proved His flesh has always been dead by dying for us while never committing a sin (actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words responsible for evil). I will prove that God came to this earth in dead flesh (I hope after these scriptures you will understand what I mean by dead flesh, and how we can all have dead flesh, which is an exceeding great gift).