Obama's call for gay rights makes history

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Are you okay with people being told by human law that it's okay to eat lots of cheese and end up with heart disease and die in your fourties? Or that it's okay to cheat on your wife and hurt her? Or that it's okay to blaspheme against God?

Human laws allow these things. But the question is why?

People have had the choice to do all these things since the dawn of man. And God has judged them.

Making human laws where nobody can cheat, and nobody can have any God other than God, and punishing them severely, even killing them, simply does not work. It brings people to things out of fear.

'Oh no, I'm gonna get stoned for this'. 'Oh no, I'm going to jail for this'. 'Oh no, I'm sentenced to death for this'.

It's a dictatorship.

Dis Jesus count the pharisees righteous, who wanted to stone the adulterous woman?
 
Fear does not rid the problem. It simply puts the problem into hiding.

'If I do this I'll be killed'. *still desires to do it*.

In a world of God, everyone abstains from sin out of free will and understanding. Out of wisdom and knowledge. Out of reverence and compassion. Out of pity and thankfulness. humility and restraint. Peace and love. Joy and insight.

There is no fear in love.

I understand you saying 'but it makes poeple think it's okay'.

But tell me, who hasn't heard of this raging biblical debate? What homosexual doesn't know that God counts it as sin?

they only have to look at their body parts!

But adultery is also sin. Yet it is not illegal. Having other God's and idols is sin, yet it is not illegal.

Because these things do not constitute infringing on rights.

If a man wishes to go to another woman, then let him, it's his choice. It's not the right choice, but it's his choice. And it's God's to judge.

I would try to explain that it isn't right, but it's still his choice. I wouldn't punish him for it. God will do that.

Vengeance and retribution are God's to have.


 
The problem is they are wanting to change the law to make it OK. And did you not read I am in the very same boat they are in,I too was one. The question is are you OK with the law being changed knowing it is wrong in the first place? Again I am not saying anyone should beat them up because of it,but do we justify it to make us feel better about ourselves when the guilt is coming from the fact we know it is wrong in our hearts?
 
But what's the alternative?

If we are both speaking as believers then if we make one sin illegal, don't we have to make them all?

Does making it illegal stop people from the desire to do it? Or just fearful of being punished?

'I won't do it because I'll go to jail'.

not 'I won't do it, because God loves me, and he deserves better than that'.

Fear and punishment shut a door in the face of people in affliction.

Many gay people feel that they desire these things uncontrollably. To me, that is not someone who needs to be stoned, hated, or reprimanded, but counselled and shown patience.

If they do not desire counsel, then patience is the alternative. If they do desire counsel, then I will try.
 
If they want to live together that is their choice,but please don't start trying to say that it is a marriage. Big difference between the two. Again been there myself. I understand far better then you do as to how this feels then you can ever imagine. Again the difference between making something that is not legal now and making it legal to make someone feel better about themselves which does NOT get to the root of the problem. No amount of human law can ever change what is at the root of the issue.
 
SarahM777 said:
If they want to live together that is their choice,but please don't start trying to say that it is a marriage. Big difference between the two. Again been there myself. I understand far better then you do as to how this feels then you can ever imagine. Again the difference between making something that is not legal now and making it legal to make someone feel better about themselves which does NOT get to the root of the problem. No amount of human law can ever change what is at the root of the issue.
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Either can condemnation get to the root of the problem.

I never said it was a marriage in God's eyes. It's a marriage in the legal sense. But God's marriage is man and woman.

Keeping something illegal gives oppression rather than counsel.

Would you say to a serial cheat 'Go to jail, that'll change you'?

it's more likely counselling would change that man. Get to the root of his commitment issues. What happened in his life.

Acting with love and kindness and patience to that man, actually caring about him as more than just 'a serial cheat' will show the true spirit of God. And in it he'll be thankful. And he'll change.

If we were all simply defined by our sins, it'd be a horrible world.

My title would be 'blasphemer, adulterer, fornicator, murderer-in-heart, lawless man, pride-lover' the list goes on.

I didn't change by fear. Fear just made it worse. I cahnged the moment someone took the time to care about me more than my sins. they showed me the true God in their actions. And I thank them and wish to do the same.
 
You are missing the point. Where in changing the law to allow gay marriage shows God's love? Or is it putting a band aid on the problem? It that what we need to hear is that it's OK to do something that God has said it's wrong? Or do we need to hear the truth in love? Is allowing gay marriage just a way to allow one to sooth the consience and make one feel better about themselves but never addresses the root of the problem?
 
SarahM777 said:
You are missing the point. Where in changing the law to allow gay marriage shows God's love? Or is it putting a band aid on the problem? It that what we need to hear is that it's OK to do something that God has said it's wrong? Or do we need to hear the truth in love? Is allowing gay marriage just a way to allow one to sooth the consience and make one feel better about themselves but never addresses the root of the problem?
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I do understand, but is punishing someone for being gay any better, really? Does punishing them address the root of the problem? I mean, It was only in 2003 that gay people were even allowed to be gay in the US! lol

I just don't believe the world should be forced into being 'perfect christian folk' out of the fear of jail-time, it isn't the right way to go about it. I'd rather spend the time and make myself humble, than condemn people for sinning because that's not my job. I sin too.

If it were up to me I'd have made it legal a long time ago because it's up to gay people whether they follow God or not and in a country the size of the US, you can't have such a large number of people living in oppression.

The churches are not bound to marry gay people anyway.

They have the right to refuse on religious grounds. Registry offices however (government run) can't. So it's a governmental form of marriage, not a Godly one.

I don't understand.

If my sons or daughters are going to be gay, there's very little I can do to change that so I'm not going to oppress them for it. What good is that? If my friend's are gonna be gay, there's not much I can do about that either.

They have their choice.

It all gets very outwardly judgemental about this topic, but if I believe in Jesus, and I'm not gay, then I believe that's good enough for God. I don't need to stick my oars within everyone else's way and start dealing out the oppression and hatred, because then I'm just another Pharisee with a stone.
 
zone said:
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no, no, no.
un-natural. a very bad idea.
stop it.
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This is sooooo wrong. Elton John has admitted in his drug crazed past. That he payed many young men and boys to have sex with him.
What will stop him now?
 
Kefa52 said:
This is sooooo wrong. Elton John has admitted in his drug crazed past. That he payed many young men and boys to have sex with him.
What will stop him now?
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Clearly there are issues there that the man hasn't faced up to. But perhaps looking after children will stop him.
 
So where do we draw the line in legally acknowledging perversions of all sorts?
No we are not free to do whatever we want in the privacy of our home. When a college student gets sentenced to 20 yrs in prison for introducing an undercover cop to a drug dealer, especially after the cop offered $5,000 to the sudent for a mere introduction, we are not a free society, even when we hurt no one else.
20 years from now, what will be legally recognized & what will we be imprisoned for?
 
rechem said:
If we were all simply defined by our sins, it'd be a horrible world.

My title would be 'blasphemer, adulterer, fornicator, murderer-in-heart, lawless man, pride-lover' the list goes on.

I didn't change by fear. Fear just made it worse. I cahnged the moment someone took the time to care about me more than my sins. they showed me the true God in their actions. And I thank them and wish to do the same.
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anyone can 'change' patient.
the question is, are your sins forgiven?
are you born from above?
 
rechem said:
'I won't do it because I'll go to jail'.

not 'I won't do it, because God loves me, and he deserves better than that'.

Fear and punishment shut a door in the face of people in affliction.

Many gay people feel that they desire these things uncontrollably. To me, that is not someone who needs to be stoned, hated, or reprimanded, but counselled and shown patience.

If they do not desire counsel, then patience is the alternative. If they do desire counsel, then I will try.
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God deserves something from you?

isn't that awesome?

your patience will do them no good, patient.

the pranava mantra won't help them.

Christ Crucified for the forgiveness of sins is the only remedy.
 
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