What God Uses Tongues For

[Enow]

For those that hear & for the little ones that He may prune to bear more fruit:

This is what God said He will be using tongues for:

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

God uses tongues to speak unto the people: not back to Himself in prayer.

The contentions raised are the misunderstanding of the other verses in that chapter about tongues. Keep that bottomline truth from those verses above to lean on Christ to discern what Paul meant in that chapter about tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Believers misuse verse 14 as a validation for praying in tongues, but they should read verse 13 to understand the point Paul was making in verse 14 & 15. Verse 13 sets the precedent for understanding verses 14 and thus in line with verse 15 for Paul's point.

Paul's point in verse 14 was that "while" Paul spoke in tongues, Paul was praying for the understanding, hoping God will raise someone to intepret what he was saying in tongues so that he may understand also and be edified and thus fruitful to him as well.

Paul was not talking about the Spirit praying in tongues when he testified in verse 14 that it was his spirit as in "my spirit" that was praying, and Paul's spirit was praying while he was speaking in tongues that someone may interpret.

That's keeping in line with what God said that tongues were for and that was for speaking unto the people.

 

[kenisyes]

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

God uses tongues to speak unto the people: not back to Himself in prayer.

Are we under the law now? It's most curious, as the quote is from Isaiah, from the prophets, not the Law. Maybe Paul is telling us that this is how it used to function.

So why can't God use tongues in multiple ways?

Tongues as a prayer language are not a sign for believers, they do not need a "sign" that prayer works, like unbelievers do.

 

[KOHELETH]

II Timothy 2:15 please. You have made a real mess of tongues. Go back to I Cor.12 and learn of spiritual gifts. Then you can understand why Paul said to desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. Paul is laying the ground work for the Church in that, speak unto edification. When a believer prays in the Holy Spirit unto God, that is the utterance by the Holy Spirit or Tongue given to the believer when baptized in the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2, and in the spirit he speaketh mysteries verse 14:2. Now that the believer has the Holy Spirit he can have spiritual gifts chapter 12. The gift of tongues is used in the Church for a sign to the unbeliever that might be there, and an interpretation is needed so the Church may be edified and move the unbeliever to repentance. We can sum up with verses 39 and 40 thus rightly dividing the word of truth. Koheleth

 

[Enow]

Are we under the law now? It's most curious, as the quote is from Isaiah, from the prophets, not the Law. Maybe Paul is telling us that this is how it used to function.

Paul was referring to the prophesy of what God would use tongues for and that is to speak unto the people in their native tongue.

So why can't God use tongues in multiple ways?

Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Because God would not copycat Satan's supernatural tongues of being just babbling nonsense, that's why.

Tongues as a prayer language are not a sign for believers, they do not need a "sign" that prayer works, like unbelievers do.

Is God endorsing these false teachings of seeking the Holy Spirit again & after a sign of tongues? Would God allow tongues to occur for believers that seek after tongues for a sign of receiving another baptism with the Holy Spirit with tongues? But yet God seemingly is permitting this to occur. Why would God permit a strong delusion for them to believe that lie? How does that not fall under the category of the spirit fo error to show that it is not of the Spirit of Truth?

1 John 2:[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.......[SUP]26 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. [SUP]29 [/SUP]If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Soooooooooooooo..... not only are there fake tongue speakers, but Satanic tongue speakers as well and they know it not.

So the only way to weed all of that out is to take Paul at his word when referencing His word of what tongues were for, to speak unto the people as God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to be interpreted, unless otherwise understood by a foreignor... which I have not seen anywhere in these latter days because I see false teachings with tongues endorsing them, thus I doubt they really do have His gift of tongues. NO way would God manifest tongues to support a lie. He would only permit a strong delusion to occur for believing that lie.

So it's time to go before that throne of grace for help for wisdom & discernment because scripture speaks against it.

 

[kenisyes]

I've said this in your other 3(?) similar threads: 700 flase prophets of Ba'al do not prove there is not true Elijah.

 

[Enow]

I've said this in your other 3(?) similar threads: 700 flase prophets of Ba'al do not prove there is not true Elijah.

And so by the meaning of your post, there is no abstaining from all appearances of evil then? Something is not right here.

 

[kenisyes]

And so by the meaning of your post, there is no abstaining from all appearances of evil then? Something is not right here.

You are using a circular argument. Tongues are only evil to those who have seen only the counterfeits, and decided those are the only kind that exist. To those who have seen the real thing, there is a genuine difference. To them, there are real tongues of God, and counterfeit tongues of several types.

If I have been hurt by a legalistic church, and you teach law to me, should I conclude you are evil? If I grew up in a church that forbids women from wearing pants, should I refuse to date a woman who wears pants because she is a whore? I know male pastors who would never be alone with a woman. I also know male pastors who take women to buy groceries all the time, and think nothing of it. Appearance of evil is largely a question of what denomination you grew up in.

 

[Enow]

You are using a circular argument. Tongues are only evil to those who have seen only the counterfeits, and decided those are the only kind that exist. To those who have seen the real thing, there is a genuine difference. To them, there are real tongues of God, and counterfeit tongues of several types.

If I have been hurt by a legalistic church, and you teach law to me, should I conclude you are evil? If I grew up in a church that forbids women from wearing pants, should I refuse to date a woman who wears pants because she is a whore? I know male pastors who would never be alone with a woman. I also know male pastors who take women to buy groceries all the time, and think nothing of it. Appearance of evil is largely a question of what denomination you grew up in.

No. The appearance of evil I am referring to is what has been seen in the world before the Gospel of Jesus Christ had come as it is that abstaining from the appearance of evil now that I am referring to in order to show the abiding in the doctrine of Christ.

If a voodooists had spoken in supernatural tongues before he came to know Christ Jesus as His Saviour, how can he know if he is free of those familiar spirits & their tongues if the Holy Ghost presumably use God's gift of tongues as a prayer language?

Answer: he cannot know.

Plus: those sinners that knew of him would doubt he had repented of his former practises. How poor is that witness then? Some may consider that it is okay to believe in Jesus Christ and still do their sinful practises.

Plus: those believers that knew of his sinful past experiences may "judge" that he has not truly repented to such a point that they may accuse him of not being born again OR they may judge that those familiar spirits by their tongues still has sway over him even in the assembly.

And voodooists are not the only ones speaking in tongues in the world that is babbling nonsense.

There is too much room for doubts and confusion created here and yet God is not the author of confusion but of peace in ALL churches of the saints so that is why I do not believe God is going to let what you are not discerning.... slide.

 

[Jordache]

I have always been wary of tongues. I was raised in a very legalistic church that really feared most expressions of the Holy Spirit. I was not a Christian when I first attended this church and Satan blocked me from hearing any truth there. Not everything they said was bad, but it was very legalistic. When I was 13 I went on a youth trip with an AofG church. I had no idea what they believed and in fact I'd never even hear tongues mentioned anywhere. At the retreat like good Pentecostals they "demanded" we " receive" the gift of tongues and I was terrified. I had no clue what was happening. I felt like the girl behind me was manifesting demons and I was terrified. I wanted nothing to do with it, but they were convinced I just wast trying hard enough. It was truly a devastating experience. It made me feel less than.
About two years later I finally got my mom to attend church with me... A different one. And she was very upset that someone had prayed in tongues with her. Then I got her talking to as she told me how horrible my church was. Mind you, this was a very middle of the road church regarding the gifts of the HS. They were not fanatic in the least. From that point on I always struggled with when tongues were appropriate. I learned about them over the years and slowly developed my theology about them, but the fear remained. Within the last year tongues have become an increasingly more integral part of my faith. I realized at one point that there are many times when I just don't know what to pray, but the Spirit always knows what I need. Thus, I just started praying in tongues on my own. I did it occasionally but I felt The Lords presence surround me as I did. The next step became praying in tongues in a more public setting. I lead worship so there are times when I pray in tongues during worship. I always step off the mike so as not to amplify it, but I really feel that this brings me closer to The Lord. But there is still that fear in me.
Last week I had an appt with my counselor who had us both pray in tongues. I just sat there at first, but she challenged me and I did pray in tongues knowing she would hear it. Eeek! But she said something that I never considered. Satan cannot understand our tongues.
I work more in the prophetic, but I do believe that tongues is now a gift that The Lord has given me. I'm slowly squirming out of my shell, but I am glad for it.

 

[kenisyes]

No. The appearance of evil I am referring to is what has been seen in the world before the Gospel of Jesus Christ had come as it is that abstaining from the appearance of evil now that I am referring to in order to show the abiding in the doctrine of Christ.

If a voodooists had spoken in supernatural tongues before he came to know Christ Jesus as His Saviour, how can he know if he is free of those familiar spirits & their tongues if the Holy Ghost presumably use God's gift of tongues as a prayer language?

Answer: he cannot know.

Plus: those sinners that knew of him would doubt he had repented of his former practises. How poor is that witness then? Some may consider that it is okay to believe in Jesus Christ and still do their sinful practises.

Plus: those believers that knew of his sinful past experiences may "judge" that he has not truly repented to such a point that they may accuse him of not being born again OR they may judge that those familiar spirits by their tongues still has sway over him even in the assembly.

And voodooists are not the only ones speaking in tongues in the world that is babbling nonsense.

There is too much room for doubts and confusion created here and yet God is not the author of confusion but of peace in ALL churches of the saints so that is why I do not believe God is going to let what you are not discerning.... slide.

There are two answers, the one of my experience, and another that really is better. Obviously, former voodooists, when saved, do not speak in tongues. I have only known like 3 cases of such a thing, involving withcraft, not tongues specifically, and in each case the person voluntarily refrained from witchcraft practices similar to the gifts for many years.

A better answer is based on something that happens more commonly. A worldy musician gets saved, and is afraid, or counselled not, to attempt to be in any Christian music group. Many decades ago, the musicians I knew who were like this did nothing for many years. Now, with more experience, it is easier to advise them, and many are able to make the change within months. I have never known a case where anyone, be it the musician, or the people in the church, had any problem agreeing on whether or not he had made the transition, and the musician kept playing. In every case, normal Christian humility solved the situation, and when it was discerned that the old attitudes were gone, the person entered his ministry.

One case in point, a woman named Marsha, who will recognize herself if she sees this, was a talented broadway ballet instructor for many years. On getting saved, she hung up her dancing shoes for many years afraid to dance for God. My wife was one of the big encouragers who helped her see that she had in fact changed. For nearly 20 years, (she is now almost 80) she founded Christian dance companies up and down the Eastern Seaboard, and took the message of dancing for Jesus to many in mainline churches.

The situations in my mind are the same. We simply lack the experience with tongues we have with music and dance.

 

[kenisyes]

I have always been wary of tongues. I was raised in a very legalistic church that really feared most expressions of the Holy Spirit. I was not a Christian when I first attended this church and Satan blocked me from hearing any truth there. Not everything they said was bad, but it was very legalistic. When I was 13 I went on a youth trip with an AofG church. I had no idea what they believed and in fact I'd never even hear tongues mentioned anywhere. At the retreat like good Pentecostals they "demanded" we " receive" the gift of tongues and I was terrified. I had no clue what was happening. I felt like the girl behind me was manifesting demons and I was terrified. I wanted nothing to do with it, but they were convinced I just wast trying hard enough. It was truly a devastating experience. It made me feel less than.
About two years later I finally got my mom to attend church with me... A different one. And she was very upset that someone had prayed in tongues with her. Then I got her talking to as she told me how horrible my church was. Mind you, this was a very middle of the road church regarding the gifts of the HS. They were not fanatic in the least. From that point on I always struggled with when tongues were appropriate. I learned about them over the years and slowly developed my theology about them, but the fear remained. Within the last year tongues have become an increasingly more integral part of my faith. I realized at one point that there are many times when I just don't know what to pray, but the Spirit always knows what I need. Thus, I just started praying in tongues on my own. I did it occasionally but I felt The Lords presence surround me as I did. The next step became praying in tongues in a more public setting. I lead worship so there are times when I pray in tongues during worship. I always step off the mike so as not to amplify it, but I really feel that this brings me closer to The Lord. But there is still that fear in me.
Last week I had an appt with my counselor who had us both pray in tongues. I just sat there at first, but she challenged me and I did pray in tongues knowing she would hear it. Eeek! But she said something that I never considered. Satan cannot understand our tongues.
I work more in the prophetic, but I do believe that tongues is now a gift that The Lord has given me. I'm slowly squirming out of my shell, but I am glad for it.

It is so wonderful that you waited until you got what God wanted you to have instead of what some church wanted you to have.

 

[Enow]

I have always been wary of tongues. I was raised in a very legalistic church that really feared most expressions of the Holy Spirit. I was not a Christian when I first attended this church and Satan blocked me from hearing any truth there. Not everything they said was bad, but it was very legalistic.

1 Corinthians 2:[SUP]9 [/SUP]But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

When I was 13 I went on a youth trip with an AofG church. I had no idea what they believed and in fact I'd never even hear tongues mentioned anywhere. At the retreat like good Pentecostals they "demanded" we " receive" the gift of tongues and I was terrified. I had no clue what was happening. I felt like the girl behind me was manifesting demons and I was terrified. I wanted nothing to do with it, but they were convinced I just wast trying hard enough. It was truly a devastating experience. It made me feel less than.

I can understand why that would frighten you, but I have to ask. Were you a believer in Jesus Christ before you went on that trip?

About two years later I finally got my mom to attend church with me... A different one. And she was very upset that someone had prayed in tongues with her. Then I got her talking to as she told me how horrible my church was. Mind you, this was a very middle of the road church regarding the gifts of the HS. They were not fanatic in the least.

Okay. Sounds like you were a believer in Jesus Christ at that time for claiming as belonging to a church or am I assuming?

From that point on I always struggled with when tongues were appropriate. I learned about them over the years and slowly developed my theology about them, but the fear remained. Within the last year tongues have become an increasingly more integral part of my faith.

How so? You are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ. Tongues does not need to be an integral part of that faith for all believers to have that faith.

I realized at one point that there are many times when I just don't know what to pray, but the Spirit always knows what I need. Thus, I just started praying in tongues on my own.

Why would the Spirit need to say anything if God the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer?

Matthew 6:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Let's look at how the Spirit really make these intercessions in the King James Bible to further your study.

Romans 8:[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

May Jesus help you to see that verse 27 is the point of verse 26. The Son, Jesus Christ, is the only Mediator between God & man signified as the man Christ Jesus in 1 Timothy 2:5. Verse 27 is testifying of the Son as searching our hearts as Hebrews 4:12-16 says also... and knows the mind of the Spirit because he makes intercessions in according to the will of God of being the only mediator between God and man.

The Son knowing the mind of the Spirit is the point of verse 27 in explaining verse 26 on why "itself" was used because elsewhere in the book of Romans, "he" & "him" has been used in reference to the Holy Spirit so why now with "itself"? It is because the Holy Spirit is not actually making these intercessions directly Himself for which "itself" is being used because verse 27 is teatifying that the Son knows the mind of the Spirit.

And because the Son knows the mind of the Spirit, these intercessions are being made with groanings which cannot be uttered ... meaning no sound at all.

So ALL believers can take comfort in this knowledge of the truth because they do not need tongues as a prayer language for this type of intercessions to be made by the Holy Spirit because the Son of God searches our hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit as He is the actual One making these intercessions. That is keeping in line with the scripture of 1 Timothy 2:5 of the man Christ Jesus being the only Mediator beotween God & man as being at that throne of grace and why God the Father would know what things we have need of before we ask anything in prayer.

Modern Bibles have erred by switching out "itself" with "Himself" as if the Holy Spirit actually makes these intercessions Himself and some of those modern Bibles imply that sounds are being made in doing so. Then they commit a grammatical error by switching out the "he" in verse 27 with "the Spirit", thus glossing over the testimony of the "he" of the third person in searching our hearts & knowing the mind of the Spirit. How can the "he" be "the Spirit" in knowing the mind of the Spirit? So the grammatical error is given in some modern Bibles but all modern Bibles are in error for switching out "itself" with "Himself" in verse 26 because they are ignoring verse 27 as testifying of the Son.

So no need for tongues to be used as a prayer language.

I did it occasionally but I felt The Lords presence surround me as I did. The next step became praying in tongues in a more public setting. I lead worship so there are times when I pray in tongues during worship. I always step off the mike so as not to amplify it, but I really feel that this brings me closer to The Lord. But there is still that fear in me.
Last week I had an appt with my counselor who had us both pray in tongues. I just sat there at first, but she challenged me and I did pray in tongues knowing she would hear it. Eeek! But she said something that I never considered. Satan cannot understand our tongues.

Satan cannot do anything to undermine God at all. Satan can only do what God permits. So the idea of using tongues as a secret communique between God and the Spirit is null & void.

I work more in the prophetic, but I do believe that tongues is now a gift that The Lord has given me. I'm slowly squirming out of my shell, but I am glad for it.

Believers are warned not to believe every spirit but test them. When you developed the theology that tongues can be used as a prayer language and being around errant believers that do the same, you are bound to allow spirit of error to creep in.

John 14:13-14 states the purpose of Jesus answering prayers is for the Father to be glorified in the Son, and so I ask you, is it not a thief to cut inbetween you & Him of your prayer time in knowing what you had asked for so that when He answers your prayers, you will give Him thanks in Jesus' name? Doesn't not knowing what you had prayed for, steal all opportunities between you & Him of Him answering your prayers to receive your thanks? I would say yes, it does.

I ask you to take pause and go before that throne of grace for help, because He calls us to pray, not the Spirit to do it for us, because the risen Saviour really is the only Mediator between God and man to make these actual intercessions for us.

 

[Enow]

There are two answers, the one of my experience, and another that really is better. Obviously, former voodooists, when saved, do not speak in tongues. I have only known like 3 cases of such a thing, involving withcraft, not tongues specifically, and in each case the person voluntarily refrained from witchcraft practices similar to the gifts for many years.

A better answer is based on something that happens more commonly. A worldy musician gets saved, and is afraid, or counselled not, to attempt to be in any Christian music group. Many decades ago, the musicians I knew who were like this did nothing for many years. Now, with more experience, it is easier to advise them, and many are able to make the change within months. I have never known a case where anyone, be it the musician, or the people in the church, had any problem agreeing on whether or not he had made the transition, and the musician kept playing. In every case, normal Christian humility solved the situation, and when it was discerned that the old attitudes were gone, the person entered his ministry.

One case in point, a woman named Marsha, who will recognize herself if she sees this, was a talented broadway ballet instructor for many years. On getting saved, she hung up her dancing shoes for many years afraid to dance for God. My wife was one of the big encouragers who helped her see that she had in fact changed. For nearly 20 years, (she is now almost 80) she founded Christian dance companies up and down the Eastern Seaboard, and took the message of dancing for Jesus to many in mainline churches.

The situations in my mind are the same. We simply lack the experience with tongues we have with music and dance.

Not really. If the music and the dance exhibits sinful lyrics and moves of lewdness, then it cannot be of Him any more than tongues which is supposed to come with interpretation for it to be God's gift of tongues unless otherwise understood by a foreignor, but if it does not, and it is comparable to Satan's tongues, and then it is not of Him either.

Otherwise it would be hard to test the spirits when familiar spirits has been known to bring about supernatural tongues that are vain & profane babblings if the Holy Spirit manifest tongues in the same manner.


Better to know what you had prayed for and give thanks when God answers your prayers than to allow a thief to steal YOUR personal prayer time away from Him to babbling nonsense.

 

[kenisyes]

Not really. If the music and the dance exhibits sinful lyrics and moves of lewdness, then it cannot be of Him any more than tongues which is supposed to come with interpretation for it to be God's gift of tongues unless otherwise understood by a foreignor, but if it does not, and it is comparable to Satan's tongues, and then it is not of Him either.

Otherwise it would be hard to test the spirits when familiar spirits has been known to bring about supernatural tongues that are vain & profane babblings if the Holy Spirit manifest tongues in the same manner.


Better to know what you had prayed for and give thanks when God answers your prayers than to allow a thief to steal YOUR personal prayer time away from Him to babbling nonsense.

That's what I said. We know all about how to tell demonic music from God's music. You stated some of the rules. You have started with the assumption that tongues today are all profane babblings, unless they would be attended by a witness such as on the first pentecost. With that assumption, we cannot hope to make any progress in understanding the true tingues from the false. There is a perfect example in a thread I got into a couple months ago. The author of the thread was convinced the Bible said that instrumental music and dance were not permitted in the NT church. For him, all non-vocal music was evil, just like all tongues are for you. It was hopeless trying to say that there is good and bad guitar music for worship. To illustrate, how hard would it be for you to specify which dance moves are sinful? You could list some that are, but could not give a complete catalog. You avoid the issue altogether in tongues, because you believe all are evil.

 

[Enow]

That's what I said. We know all about how to tell demonic music from God's music. You stated some of the rules. You have started with the assumption that tongues today are all profane babblings, unless they would be attended by a witness such as on the first pentecost. With that assumption, we cannot hope to make any progress in understanding the true tingues from the false. There is a perfect example in a thread I got into a couple months ago. The author of the thread was convinced the Bible said that instrumental music and dance were not permitted in the NT church. For him, all non-vocal music was evil, just like all tongues are for you. It was hopeless trying to say that there is good and bad guitar music for worship. To illustrate, how hard would it be for you to specify which dance moves are sinful? You could list some that are, but could not give a complete catalog. You avoid the issue altogether in tongues, because you believe all are evil.

From what I have read in the scripture, the only way you can tell when tongues are evil when it comes with no interpretation unless otherwise understood by a foreignor and thus as that spirit of error persists when it is just vain & profane babblings, then you will get all kinds of false teachings derived from that tongue that comes with no interpretation.

That being said, is the way I know by Him that tongues will never be used as a prayer language, because then who is Paul to stop the "Spirit" from praying through somebody in church if the "Spirit" was bothering to manifest that tongue? How easy would it be for anyone to say.. ohh.. more & more people are praying in tongues.. that means the Spirit wants us all to pray now. Something big must be going on. So let us not quench the Spirit."

Something big was going on all right. Stealing time from Him in the word and from our personal known prayer time to Him.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

The Exergeses on I Corthians is in a context yes but it is not all inclusive of the Holy Spirits use and ministry to the believer and through the believer for others, proof Jude 20 what separates us from the fleshly motives and efforts that have no Dunimus (power that replicates Jesus) is the Holy Spirit that we yeild to to ask God His will beyond our limited knowledge and in a way that is hidden from our enemy along with building the saint and believer up in Holy(Holy Spirit)faith the cofident assurance of the exact substance of God's will for the saint and believer to explode His power to produce Jesus in the hearts and soul of someone where it is directed. My statements are not speculative or an effort to read contexually but from my experience.

 

[Enow]

The Exergeses on I Corthians is in a context yes but it is not all inclusive of the Holy Spirits use and ministry to the believer and through the believer for others, proof Jude 20 what separates us from the fleshly motives and efforts that have no Dunimus (power that replicates Jesus) is the Holy Spirit that we yeild to to ask God His will beyond our limited knowledge and in a way that is hidden from our enemy along with building the saint and believer up in Holy(Holy Spirit)faith the cofident assurance of the exact substance of God's will for the saint and believer to explode His power to produce Jesus in the hearts and soul of someone where it is directed. My statements are not speculative or an effort to read contexually but from my experience.

You are not to believe every spirit but test them so experience is not the line of discernment but the scripture is.

There is no producing Jesus in the hearts when He is already within the believers as promised. Therefore you are complete in Christ as He is in you and through you all.

Colossians 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. [SUP]6 [/SUP]As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: [SUP]7 [/SUP]Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.

Ephesians 1:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: [SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, [SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: [SUP]22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, [SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Jesus is the author & finisher of our faith ( Hebrews 12:1-2) as He is the One that will finish the work in us ( Philippians 1:6) as all the fruits of righteousness are hereby by Jesus Christ ( Philippians 1:11) because all that the Father has is the Son's ( John 16:14-15).

The Son is the Bridegroom but in these latter days, it seems the Holy Spirit is the One to go to in prayer, in worship, and in fellowship BUT the scripture nor the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading believers to do that.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Because there are spirits of the antichrist in the world, God is calling sinners to be reconciled to God the Father through the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ and He is still calling believers to continue coming to the Bridegroom to avoid false spirits as well as false prophets.

 

[zone]

to aid in the intelligible communication between peoples (spoken languages); to keep the mouth moist; to experience flavors; to lick ice cream cones.

seriously...the waffle cone is far superior to those little dixie cone things < yuck...they are stale and crumbly and they get all soggy on the edges.

usually i get a double scooper - one orange one chocolate...but i'm considering the strawberries and cream.

 

[kenisyes]

From what I have read in the scripture, the only way you can tell when tongues are evil when it comes with no interpretation unless otherwise understood by a foreignor and thus as that spirit of error persists when it is just vain & profane babblings, then you will get all kinds of false teachings derived from that tongue that comes with no interpretation.

See if Rom. 8:26-27 works for you. This is the method I have seen operative.

 

[kenisyes]

to aid in the intelligible communication between peoples (spoken languages); to keep the mouth moist; to experience flavors; to lick ice cream cones.

seriously...the waffle cone is far superior to those little dixie cone things < yuck...they are stale and crumbly and they get all soggy on the edges.

usually i get a double scooper - one orange one chocolate...but i'm considering the strawberries and cream.

Oh, I think I'm getting the interpretation. Oh, my, is this God or is this me.....Oh, do I dare say it? [I used to know a guy who did that kind of thing as a monologue. He's the one who introduced me and my wife.] Interpretation: one is good for you (like orange or satrawberry, because it's fruit), the other is comfort food (chocolate or cream). Just like God ministers to our intelligence (which is good for us) and to our emotion (which feels good). And like a good waffle cone, a foundation in Jesus holds the flavors long enough so the world can get a lick.