Wow, what a fail this was.
I don't think that the government should be involved with marriages in any way.
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I don't think that the government should be involved with marriages in any way.
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Not to mention that this would not apply to or condemn female homosexuality anyway . . .
Shhh, we don't talk about that . . .
[h=2]Definition of SODOMY[/h]: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
I don't want to enter any debate I just hope this helps.
[h=3]Leviticus 20:13 ESV [/h]If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV [/h]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
[h=3]Jude 1:7 ESV [/h]Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV [/h]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
[h=3]Romans 1:26 ESV [/h]For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
[h=3]Romans 1:27 ESV [/h]And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[h=3]Genesis 19:1-38 ESV [/h]The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant's house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” ...
[h=3]Romans 1:26-27 ESV [/h]For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[h=3]1 Timothy 1:9-10 ESV [/h]Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
[h=3]Romans 1:28 ESV [/h]And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
[h=3]1 Timothy 1:10 ESV [/h]The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV [/h]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
[h=3]Micah 1:1-16 ESV [/h]The word of the Lord that came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. Hear, you peoples, all of you; pay attention, O earth, and all that is in it, and let the Lord God be a witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. For behold, the Lord is coming out of his place, and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains will melt under him, and the valleys will split open, like wax before the fire, like waters poured down a steep place. All this is for the transgression of Jacob and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? Is it not Samaria? And what is the high place of Judah? Is it not Jerusalem? ...
[h=3]Romans 1:24 ESV [/h]Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
[h=3]1 Kings 14:24 ESV [/h]And there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the Lord drove out before the people of Israel.
[h=3]Deuteronomy 23:17 ESV [/h]“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, and none of the sons of Israel shall be a cult prostitute.
[h=3]Genesis 1:27 ESV [/h]So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
[h=3]Romans 1:24-28 ESV [/h]Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
[h=3]Romans 1:24-27 ESV [/h]Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[h=3]Romans 1:1-32 ESV [/h]Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, ...
[h=3]Matthew 19:5 ESV [/h]And said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
[h=3]1 Kings 22:46 ESV [/h]And from the land he exterminated the remnant of the male cult prostitutes who remained in the days of his father Asa.
[h=3]1 Kings 15:12 ESV [/h]He put away the male cult prostitutes out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
[h=3]Judges 19:22 ESV [/h]As they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, worthless fellows, surrounded the house, beating on the door. And they said to the old man, the master of the house, “Bring out the man who came into your house, that we may know him.”
[h=3]Leviticus 18:24 ESV [/h]“Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean,
[h=3]Leviticus 18:1-30 ESV [/h]And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes. You shall follow my rules and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord. ...
[h=3]Genesis 19:4-8 ESV [/h]But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him, and said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.”
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:1 ESV [/h]When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?
[h=3]2 Kings 23:7 ESV [/h]And he broke down the houses of the male cult prostitutes who were in the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the Asherah.
[h=3]Genesis 1:28 ESV [/h]And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
I don't want to enter any debate I just hope this helps.
Other than prove that sodomy can be a hetero- or homo- sexual act thus proving my point that the term can't be used strictly in one sense of another.
Otherwise Im not quite sure what a collection of verses is supposed to do. I think we are all familiar with at least a majority of these verses.
Otherwise Im not quite sure what a collection of verses is supposed to do. I think we are all familiar with at least a majority of these verses.
Like I said I have no interest in getting into a debate. I simply want to be helpful. I don't know how they would be helpful but if it helps someone kudos, otherwise I don't expect them to "do" anything. I have my own convictions on Sodomy which if anyone asks I will gladly tell, but I am not about to push it on someone else.
well i for one am just curious. it has nothing to do with you but I do ejoy people using sodomy to describe homosexual relationships and not realizing it also contains a lot of hetero relationships as well. Not saying everyone misuses it, but it is always interesting to hear someone elses take.
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KCKID
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Thanks for taking the time to present the above scriptures. And, while I appreciate your not wanting to get into a debate, I AM willing to debate any of the above scriptures (that are relevant to the topic) if asked. That said, quite a number of the scriptures presented are not relevant to the topic and none of them actually address the term 'sodomy' which is what I asked for. Actually, none of the texts from the Old Testament - even IF seen to relate to the topic - are applicable for we of today so there is no point even addressing those scriptures in a 'debate' setting. Sodom and Gomorrah - one of the most infamous of all of the so-called 'gay clobber texts' - has NOTHING to do with homosexuality or homosexuals, contrary to popular opinion. Yes, I AM willing to address/debate THAT particular OT story as well as the NT texts ...again, if asked.
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Kefa52
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Gay Mariage. This is a joke right?
"Love the sinner hate the sin".
Gay + Gay = Gay, not mariage.
In Gods nature he can not bless any sin.
So called Gay Mariage is a lie. In no way can it be called mariage.
Anyone in government or the Church that thinks they are marying two men or two women are sadly decieved.
I don't want to be that person in front of Jesus.
"Love the sinner hate the sin".
Gay + Gay = Gay, not mariage.
In Gods nature he can not bless any sin.
So called Gay Mariage is a lie. In no way can it be called mariage.
Anyone in government or the Church that thinks they are marying two men or two women are sadly decieved.
I don't want to be that person in front of Jesus.
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KCKID
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Then, if YOU are blessed by God, you are the only one that I've ever met who is without sin. Congratuations!
By the way, how can two people who desire to commit themselves to one another in a loving relationship be accused of 'sinning'? Love is NEVER a 'sin'.
I could just as well say the very same thing about lots 'n' lots of heterosexual unions called 'marriages' that I've come across over the years. Many are a lie and can in no way be called a marriage.
Why are they sadly deceived? I assume you're making some reference to scripture? If so, 'gay marriage' is neither condoned or condemned in the Bible. Divorce and remarriage, however, IS condemned in the Bible. Do you have a problem with divorce and remarriage? Most Christians who all but froth at the mouth over 'gay marriage' certainly don't. I haven't yet been able to figure that out.
Why not? Could you not just as well say, "Anyone in government or the Church that thinks they are marrying two divorced men and women are sadly deceived" . . .? What happens when they stand in front of Jesus, the very person who condemned divorce and remarriage? We can't just conveniently pick on one perceived 'sin', cherry picking this verse and that verse from the Bible while ignoring the other. This is why this needs to be said.
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From Twisting Truth through Group Consensus: "Tension, created by diversity, is essential to the dialectic process. It energizes members and -- when manipulated by well-trained facilitators -- produces synergy. You can't guide people toward synthesis (compromise) unless there are opposing views -- both "thesis and antithesis." That's why the consensus process must include all these elements:
a diverse group
dialoguing to consensus
over a social issue
led by a trained facilitator
toward a pre-planned outcome.
Deceived by the Dialectic Process < click
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KCKID
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Whatever the above might mean I AM still willing, if asked, to address/debate the OT story of Sodom and Gomorrah and any NT texts that might relate to this topic.
debate with whom for what purpose?
christians know what it all means. and so do all men.
we either suppress that truth in unrighteousness or we agree with God.
Well maybe if you listened instead of constantly talked he would tell you. Probably better than attempting to shut himdown before he starts. Though you'll probably blame it on this or that secret group or plan.
For all you know, maybe you are misinterpreting the information and he is right. But it does no good to shut him down before he starts.
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Kefa52
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I thought of many things I could say. There is a ton of scripture I could post.
The more I thought, and studied about this. The more I realize that even if I could recite the whole bible it only shows me how much I don't, can't, or ever, know about God.
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom” (Ps 111:10; Prov 9:10; compare Job 28:28; Prov 1:7; 15:33).
Not till I have become humble and teachable, standing in awe of God’s holiness and sovereignty (“the great and awesome God,” Neh 1:5; compare 4:14; 9:32; Deut 7:21; 10:17; Ps 99:3; Jer 20:11), acknowledging my own littleness, distrusting my own thoughts and willing to have my mind turned upside down, can divine wisdom become ours.
lol Naut.
what shutting down?
he's still behind his keyboard.
if he can show anybody where God changed His mind about sin, let's see it.
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Well marriage is no long indefinitely tied to the church once legal implications become apart of it. Atheists marry, Muslims marry, and neither of those groups are doing it for Christian reasons.
Not letting gay couples receive the same legal benefits as straight couples is horrible. These people are in love and they may not be allowed to visit their dying loved one in a hospital. Is that not wrong to you? These are people who want the same basic rights as everyone else, yet people are saying that's too much to ask for.
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Many of them aren't doing it for the right reasons, that much is true. Marriage isn't a matter of two names on a piece of paper. That's the legal work that goes on the side, but that isn't what constitutes a marriage.
Oh come now, there's that morality thing again.
Nature doesn't care what feelings you have. You personally cannot remain logically consistant if you're not a theist proclaiming moral rights and wrongs.
Pray tell, where do we find out about these rights? Where do these rights come from?