homosexuality

[KCKID]

I think the better question is: Why do you treat what God commanded of the Israelites, as though it is wrong?

It's written on my heart that killing, raping and pillaging is wrong no matter WHO commands it. Does that make ME wrong?

Again, folks, KCKID demonstrates

Ah, 'the hauling of someone out in front of the class with the intent to make a spectacle of them' techniqe . . .

to us the danger of dispensationalism and declaring the OT as Law, and the NT as Gospel. That whole "Law vs. Grace" garbage.

Let us stick to a 'simple faith', jimmy, and dispense )) with 'dispensationalism' and other contemporary forms of 'isms' that the layman is hard pressed to know the meaning of. Whenever I refer to the OT law I do so merely to emphasize the silliness in cherry picking one or two Levitical texts and applying them to we of today while totally ignoring the rest of Leviticus. As said, let's keep it simple so everyone, not just the theology majors, can understand the message.

 

[zone]

Ok, how about lie as in to lay down horizontally. No sex act is specifically mentioned.

wow....if you really need it to be anything other than sodomy, just rip the passages out.
or, there's that new QueerJamesBible (?).

sheesh.

 

[zone]

When you discriminate against others due to religious beliefs
it's time to start questioning the religion.

what discriminate?
GLBTI have everything they want.

what up wit dis?
we'll keep our Bibles and our God. thx

 

[cfultz3]

I have set here and read all four pages and this is my conclusion from all the posts:

Believe what you want to from the Bible, it is personal.

Judge as long as you feel it is righteous.

Although the OP said he does not believe in God, yet Scriptures were thrown at him (pearls). So perhaps, we should give Elizabeth a change to explain why homosexuality is wrong without bashing the OP face in with things he does not believe in.

BY ALL MEANS: keep it simple and ism free. God knows there are already too many divisions.

 

[zone]

I think that it is first a good thing to know that , ' Homsexuality ' , is a ,<SIN>spirit that attaches itself to those who have had parental intimacy issues . And I'm not just talking about incest . I am speaking of the misunderstanding or misdirection of a parental figure towards a childs creative sensitivities , outright neglect , or simply just not being there at a time when the child was most vulnerable . Just as I believe that most pornography <SIN> addictions stem from a <SIN> desire to see two people being intimate with each other , with the viewer being in a controlling position , versus harkening back to a time when parental intimacy was lost , and beyond the childs control . I say these things because I believe it is wisdom that leads us to love the homosexual , based on Gods Grace and Love and Mercy , knowing that they are controlled by something <SIN> which they may hate , but feel powerless to break it's stronghold over their lives . We in all things have to know , that even though God hates the spirit <SIN> of homosexuality , he loves the person who has been caught in it's grip , even though they may not even realize that they are in bondage . Simply pray for them , love them , don't preach to them in such a way that will close them off from the Gospel . The Bible says that it is the ' Goodness ' of God that leads us to repentance . Lets seperate the tormenting <SIN> spirit , from the person . When we can begin to do that , I believe then that we can begin to fullfill the calling of Isaiah . To ' Bind up the brokenhearted , and to set at liberty the captives ' .

i fixed it for ya.
otherwise i agree with it somewhat.

 

[zone]

A lot of reactions, so let me just say this: a truth isn't an objective truth just because you BELIEVE it to be one. And even if you interpret your bible in a certain way, there may be christians who interpret it in an entirely different way. You can't 'sell' the whole idea that homosexuality is a sin to people who don't believe, or even to a lot of christians for that matter. If I ask some of you why being gay is sinful, and you're answer is 'because God said it is,' that answer in itself has no meaning for me, because I don't believe in God. If someone told you he once was abducted by aliens, would you believe him? Probably only if you believe in aliens yourself too.
Not that I think that christian belief is on the same level as believing in aliens, I respect christian tradition and its followers too much for that, I just used it as an example to make my point.

the plumbing doesn't match.
even a five year old can see that.

 

[KCKID]

wow....if you really need it to be anything other than sodomy, just rip the passages out.
or, there's that new QueerJamesBible (?).

sheesh.

Many Christians have made a habit of cherry picking or/and ignoring scriptures for convenience. They may as well have ripped out the passages that refer to divorce/remarriage just as one example of Jesus-quoted scriptures that they would rather ignore. Trashing the gays is so much more fulfilling and there are not nearly as many of them as there are scriptural adulterers sitting in our church pews ...so we're playing it safe . . .

Sheesh.

 

[KCKID]

what discriminate?
GLBTI have everything they want.

what up wit dis?
we'll keep our Bibles and our God. thx

But first remember to reglue those divorce/remarriage texts into your Bible and apply them equally whenever you wish to point out someone's 'sin'. Okay?

Oooh ...I'm learning the art of sarcasm from you, zone ...you're corrupting me.

 

[cfultz3]

Many Christians have made a habit of cherry picking or/and ignoring scriptures for convenience. They may as well have ripped out the passages that refer to divorce/remarriage just as one example of Jesus-quoted scriptures that they would rather ignore. Trashing the gays is so much more fulfilling and there are not nearly as many of them as there are scriptural adulterers sitting in our church pews ...so we're playing it safe . . .

Sheesh.

I must agree with you here. There is a church I know which has a preacher divorced and living with his girlfriend and their children and preaches that weed is ok. Sad part about it is that I see the fruit from his tree: a lady who buys stolen items and a man who is destructive and abusive.

 

[cal3091]

A lot of reactions, so let me just say this: a truth isn't an objective truth just because you BELIEVE it to be one. And even if you interpret your bible in a certain way, there may be christians who interpret it in an entirely different way. You can't 'sell' the whole idea that homosexuality is a sin to people who don't believe, or even to a lot of christians for that matter. If I ask some of you why being gay is sinful, and you're answer is 'because God said it is,' that answer in itself has no meaning for me, because I don't believe in God. If someone told you he once was abducted by aliens, would you believe him? Probably only if you believe in aliens yourself too.
Not that I think that christian belief is on the same level as believing in aliens, I respect christian tradition and its followers too much for that, I just used it as an example to make my point.

Brother, I'm glad you mentioned the word 'TRUTH'. How sure are you that what you believe is the truth? You may not believe that bible is the absolute truth. But what you believe about the bible and what you believe about other things ( eg: you don't believe in God, and a lot of other things probably), are you sure that, that is the truth?What you're basing your talks and philosophies on, how sure are you that, that is the truth? I just have one thing to say to you brother, keep seeking for the truth. Blessings!

 

[zone]

But first remember to reglue those divorce/remarriage texts into your Bible and apply them equally whenever you wish to point out someone's 'sin'. Okay?

Oooh ...I'm learning the art of sarcasm from you, zone ...you're corrupting me.

Kid,
i'm not pointing out anyone's sin personally here.
merely remaining true for everyone's sake to what God has SAID is sin.
sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.

this is a thread called:

Re: homosexuality

Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual activity between members of the same sex or gender.
wikipedia

i've noticed you have a preference for posting your view on such threads.

if there's a thread on divorce/remarriage, i might post on it.
okay?

meanwhile....back at the ranch

 

[KCKID]

the plumbing doesn't match.
even a five year old can see that.

And yet, without meaning to be crass, they seem to get by using the same methods of many heterosexuals as someone - Nautilus, I think - has mentioned a couple of times. That said, I trust that people marry - whether gay or straight - for reasons other than just sex. As for just plain 'intimacy' ...I don't think there are any rules as to how this can be best achieved. It's a personal thing and one that - actually - we really DO need to keep our noses out of. Hmmmm ...is that possible, I wonder . . .?

 

[zone]

Many Christians have made a habit of cherry picking or/and ignoring scriptures for convenience. They may as well have ripped out the passages that refer to divorce/remarriage just as one example of Jesus-quoted scriptures that they would rather ignore. Trashing the gays is so much more fulfilling and there are not nearly as many of them as there are scriptural adulterers sitting in our church pews ...so we're playing it safe . . .

Sheesh.

Kid.
apparently you missed the memo:

THREAD: Re: homosexuality

ironic you'd say scriptural adulterers.
call sin sin and we won't have any problem.

then we can take it to the Lord.

i just love it when you guys play it safe.
i prefer not to when it comes to calling sin sin.

we have a thing called confession - that's for sin committed needing forgiveness.
no confession, no absolution.
no sin, no need to confess.

okay Kiddo?

 

[cfultz3]

lol Zone is on a roll

 

[zone]

And yet, without meaning to be crass, they seem to get by using the same methods of many heterosexuals as someone - Nautilus, I think - has mentioned a couple of times. That said, I trust that people marry - whether gay or straight - for reasons other than just sex. As for just plain 'intimacy' ...I don't think there are any rules as to how this can be best achieved. It's a personal thing and one that - actually - we really DO need to keep our noses out of. Hmmmm ...is that possible, I wonder . . .?

ya....the old, don't discuss

Re: homosexuality

deflect the convo to [unbiblical] sinful acts in heterosexual marriage.
why not start a few threads, Kid?

we can call sin sin on every one of them, if they are defined as such by God.
sound fun?

yay! go for it.

then sinners will know what sin is, and they can seek forgiveness.
oooooooooorrrrrr.......we could just keep obfuscating and enabling.

that'll work (not)

 

[cfultz3]

Really Zone and the rest,

look at the intent and stop throwing those pearls. You have been around to long to fall for the sort.

 

[zone]

lol Zone is on a roll

i'm considering the sofa

 

[cfultz3]

i'm considering the sofa

now that was a good one

 

[zone]

Well you're on the right track. We All are goners. We have all, without exception, followed the lust of the flesh. We have all fallen short of perfection.

Now what?

2 Choices. Follow the crowd and just stop "discriminating" against other sinners and close your eyes to all of it. Intellectualize it all away...

Or...

Find a way to stop being a disgusting, selfish, self centered, evil, wicked, person.

It's probably easier to justify your sin in your own mind than try and do anything about it...

except he's younger than me

 

[GodBible]

It's funny when you point out how the Bible clearly contradicts morality, logical/rational thinking
and everyone ignores it. (See post #76 and #98)

Enjoy that cognitive dissonance. You're welcome.