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I'm sure you have been 'told'...but have you searched the scriptures and read it for yourself?
Could you please quote the scripture or verse that says there will be a 7 year Tribulation Period?
Let's not forget.....the ENTIRE Tribulation Period is described as the following;
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
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What does the term "trumpet" mean? Back in the ancient days, the trumpet blowers on the walls of a city would blow their trumpets upon approaching danger, namely an adversary and army. Or a trumpet was blown before the start of a battle.
It would be my guess, that God has blown many trumpets since the 7th trumpet that was blown in Revelations.
It would be my guess, that God has blown many trumpets since the 7th trumpet that was blown in Revelations.
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Are you sure Paul wasn't refering back to Numbers chapter 10? Paul was dead when Rev was given.
It would be hard for someone to refer to something that hadn't been written yet.
The people in Corinth (sp?) would have had no idea what the last trumpet was.
When Paul wrote what he did, he was giving them something they could have latched
onto, but if he was refering to something they had no clue about, it just doesn't make sense.
When Paul refered to the last trump, he was using scripture already established.
Otherwise people would have been confused as to what Paul said, until Rev was given.
And God isn't the author of confusion.
It would be hard for someone to refer to something that hadn't been written yet.
The people in Corinth (sp?) would have had no idea what the last trumpet was.
When Paul wrote what he did, he was giving them something they could have latched
onto, but if he was refering to something they had no clue about, it just doesn't make sense.
When Paul refered to the last trump, he was using scripture already established.
Otherwise people would have been confused as to what Paul said, until Rev was given.
And God isn't the author of confusion.
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God builds on what is there. If Paul was refering to the trumpets in Rev, he built on an empty
space. You got to build "walls", before building the roof. 1 Cor was written around 55 AD.
Rev was written around 95 AD. That means everyone had to wait 40 years to even get the
information Paul was talking about. If Paul had been refering to Rev trumpets, God would
have given Rev. first, so Paul could refer to it later. But to even think Paul was refering to
Rev trumpets is putting the cart before the horse. Jesus didn't arrive and THEN prophecy
given about Him. Paul talked about something they knew about already.
space. You got to build "walls", before building the roof. 1 Cor was written around 55 AD.
Rev was written around 95 AD. That means everyone had to wait 40 years to even get the
information Paul was talking about. If Paul had been refering to Rev trumpets, God would
have given Rev. first, so Paul could refer to it later. But to even think Paul was refering to
Rev trumpets is putting the cart before the horse. Jesus didn't arrive and THEN prophecy
given about Him. Paul talked about something they knew about already.
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The Revelation of Christ is His Revelation. Christ walked with the apostles. Paul was struck down on the road to Damascus by Christ Himself. Paul would have learned everything Christ taught . There is no other trump in the Bible that has to do with A entity performing mericals in Jerusalem claiming to be God, before Christ return as Paul taught in those letters., that fits Revelation's trumpets to a T.
Not to mention Mark 13, where Christ was asked by the apostles, what the end would be like and Christ gives seven events. the same seals of Revelation. I think that says it all.
Not to mention Mark 13, where Christ was asked by the apostles, what the end would be like and Christ gives seven events. the same seals of Revelation. I think that says it all.
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Going to make this short and simple.
1. In Rev you got 7 angels with 7 trumpets
2. Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead
shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
3. Exo 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and
louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
4. Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Figured it out yet? The trumpet is the voice of the Son of God and NOT the blowing of a trumpet
by an angel, which is what the 7 trumpets are in Rev. The trump is the voice of the Son of God.
Now, this is three things that go against Rev trumpet concept, that I have shown that clearly
states it is not the trumpets in Rev.
1. The time frame of information given is backwards
2. The logicical order would have caused confusion and God isn't the author of confusion
3. Its the voice of the Son of God and not one of seven angels
1. In Rev you got 7 angels with 7 trumpets
2. Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead
shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
3. Exo 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and
louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
4. Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Figured it out yet? The trumpet is the voice of the Son of God and NOT the blowing of a trumpet
by an angel, which is what the 7 trumpets are in Rev. The trump is the voice of the Son of God.
Now, this is three things that go against Rev trumpet concept, that I have shown that clearly
states it is not the trumpets in Rev.
1. The time frame of information given is backwards
2. The logicical order would have caused confusion and God isn't the author of confusion
3. Its the voice of the Son of God and not one of seven angels
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Vote in the poll.
Optionally, add a post explaining your answer.
Having a discussion is O.K.; however,...
I am much more interested in having MORE people "throw in their two cents" than to have a FEW people "force $9,999,999.99 of monopoly money into the thread" and destroy everyone else's interest in the thread because of all of the needless bickering and PRIDE-based one-upmanship...
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WHAT is there two last trumpets, is there two raising in the clouds, is there two raising of the dead at the last trumpet, WHAT one before the 7 years and one after the last 3 ½ years?
Rv11;11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever
Rv10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is a discussion
Rv11;11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever
Rv10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is a discussion
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"We shall see..."
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"We shall see..."
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Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, it is good for nothing.
Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
This is just a discussion and not argumentative
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Is it a coincidence that the last trumpet sounds in Rv11 as the two end time prophets are raised from the dead?
Is it a coincidence that they are raised from the dead in the clouds at the last trumpet, that the end of the tribulation, 1260 days.
Is it a coincidence that jesus comes in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory Immediately after the tribulation and gathers the elect with a great sound of a trumpet Matt24.
Is it a coincidence that the dead raise first?
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The two end time prophets are raised from the dead in the clouds at the end of the tribulation at the last trumpet. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds tomeet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Is it a coincidence or is the last trumpet as it says the last trumpet?.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Is it a coincidence that they are raised from the dead in the clouds at the last trumpet, that the end of the tribulation, 1260 days.
Is it a coincidence that jesus comes in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory Immediately after the tribulation and gathers the elect with a great sound of a trumpet Matt24.
Is it a coincidence that the dead raise first?
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The two end time prophets are raised from the dead in the clouds at the end of the tribulation at the last trumpet. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds tomeet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Is it a coincidence or is the last trumpet as it says the last trumpet?.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
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The 7th trumpet would sound at the same time as the 1st angel in Rev 14 because both speak of judgement.
Revelation 11:18 KJV
(18) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 14:6-7 KJV
(6) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Revelation 11:18 KJV
(18) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 14:6-7 KJV
(6) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For it to be the last trump it can't come before the 7th trump of Rev or it would not be the last. The verse contains no qualifiers or exceptions to justify believing it means anything besides what it says. Last is last, not last except for or the last trump of ..... Therefore I am inclined to believe it is the 7th trump of Rev.
For it to be the last trump it can't come before the 7th trump of Rev or it would not be the last. The verse contains no qualifiers or exceptions to justify believing it means anything besides what it says. Last is last, not last except for or the last trump of ..... Therefore I am inclined to believe it is the 7th trump of Rev.