Do you support female pastors?

[Donkeyfish07]

I am so sad to read the biggotry here on a Christian site, but it is from a few, & it is to be expected...I am not a theologian. I refuse to argue Scripture. I love the Lord and I know He sees me as equal to a man. He writes it. My love of the Lord, my reading of His Word, is that Man is indeed in authority over women, that Christ is in authority over man...that we are, as men, are to treat women as we would Christ. Simple?? and yet men twist it. Women teach in the Bible, women heal, are in authority, are equal......women teach in churches in the Bible. My God has placed women in authority when men have not been available or simply have not stepped up to the role OR when they have been the best choice, hallilijah!!. Please...read the whole Word, prayfully. Did God not create us equal? <><

Where do women teach in Churches in the bible? I've never read that

 

[Anonimous]

these posts remind me of our church meetings. everything is discussed except what we originally met to discuss.

 

[BarlyGurl]

^^^ Lololol^^^

 

[intercessorginger]

I support the Holy Spirit who gives the ministry gifts as he wills.

 

[hattiebod]

This post is so sad...it does not show the equality of Christ or the knowledge of the Word but it simply states a patriachrial ignorance....hurtful and rigid.

 

[JGPS]

Again I refer everyone to my post on page 7. God does use women to teach , etc. You must put Paul's letter in proper context The word Paul was using in the Greek is actually "chatter" No one is to chatter while God's word is being taught. Women or men. I hate to break it to you, Paul did not use a English Bible. He spoke Greek, Hebrew etc. And those languages is the tongues you should be familiar with if not, then be confused.

In the light of these scriptures, you have to take them into account on this page 7 by Nathan3 > scroll down to the middle of the page.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/15870-do-you-support-female-pastors-7.html

Again Paul did not own a English Bible. And he did not speak English in that letter to that church ;we get those teachings about women on.

Rather those letters are in Greek. So everyone should look up those teachings in the Greek Paul's letter is in. If does not always carry well into English. just doesn't . The English Bible is not the final say for any scholar.Nor should be for any Christian. Only the manuscript language the Bible is translated from.

Are you proposing that διδάσκω, didasko, means chatter? λαλέω laleo I can see the case for meaning 'chatter'. The world English Bible can too. That solves your 1 Cor 14 problems.

1 Timothy 2 is way more direct. Women are not supposed to διδάσκω, and that is the problem.

As for the topic itself I don't really care, but don't talk as if going to the Greek will solve all your problems as if these people who use translations don't have a clue... The statement that Paul does not give liberty for women to teach exists plainly in the Greek.

I'm one of the first people to go into history and context and linguistics to get to the root of hard topics, but I should hope my method of presenting it is very much unlike yours...


It also may be useful for you know know that you can hyperlink directly to a post, to get the proper adress for that just click the post number in the top-right corner. In this case I'm linking to the post I quoted.

 

[Abiding]

This post is so sad...it does not show the equality of Christ or the knowledge of the Word but it simply states a patriachrial ignorance....hurtful and rigid.

Who started the patriarchal system? an ignorant bigot?
Is this thread about Pastors. Or womans attitudes about life?

 

[MidniteWelder]

Lol Abiding, good point,
when as you noted I also dont see how the Greek could be referring to simple chatter in the congregation when the Scripture is clear
God does not permit a woman to teach OR have authority over a man. (meaning both)
My attempt was to try and explain the progression of how Gods order of things can become diminished by society and the reasons behind why God asks of us what he does within the lines of respect and cooperation as a follower of him.
Some may view this as an attack of some sort toward the opposite sex and I wonder why also when that is not Gods message either.
Sometimes a message is ill received when someone is told they arent allowed to do something or other, especially when it is gender related, and may take it upon themselves to prove otherwise, its part of the fleshy human nature in the world we live in ***couples*** with the attempts of political correctness which can contradict Gods perfection. I also wonder why people would take the stance to fight God when were called to be servants according to his will and guidelines.
What guidelines...well we have a certain book to follow when there is any question. Some things I may not like myself but Im still willing to follow as his servant.
Understanding Gods reasons helps to understand Gods word
We should have a mind to choose to believe Gods word first before we read it....as opposed to reading it and then deciding if we wish to believe it.

Spelling correction
*Coupled

 

[Abiding]

Spelling correction
*Coupled

That was said very well. Ill add. We see the Lord when we obey. The man/woman/child relationship
is one of the best of the natural revelation we have and following scripture we see the godliness
Christ and the church a great mystery.

Why anyone would want to break out of the order the Lord gave us for our own good and His glory is
beyond me.

Id say if the church is falling apart leave it alone. It isnt our church.
If you want to work against the Holyspirit then go ahead. I sure wouldnt.
The bible is clear about how youl do there messing with the Temple of God.
And obscuring the image He wants.

Others come off with the statement " ill do what the Spirit leads me to do"
What a joke. The HolySpirit and the word of God are indivisible.
Therefore if the spirit is leading you to go against scripture it isnt Holy.

 

[MidniteWelder]

That was said very well. Ill add. We see the Lord when we obey. The man/woman/child relationship
is one of the best of the natural revelation we have and following scripture we see the godliness
Christ and the church a great mystery.

Why anyone would want to break out of the order the Lord gave us for our own good and His glory is
beyond me.

Id say if the church is falling apart leave it alone. It isnt our church.
If you want to work against the Holyspirit then go ahead. I sure wouldnt.
The bible is clear about how youl do there messing with the Temple of God.
And obscuring the image He wants.

Others come off with the statement " ill do what the Spirit leads me to do"
What a joke. The HolySpirit and the word of God are indivisible.
Therefore if the spirit is leading you to go against scripture it isnt Holy.

I like what you've said here, very true.
Especially that if the spirit is leading someone to go against scripture
...it isnt Holy.

 

[nathan3]

Are you proposing that διδάσκω, didasko, means chatter? λαλέω laleo I can see the case for meaning 'chatter'. The world English Bible can too. That solves your 1 Cor 14 problems.

1 Timothy 2 is way more direct. Women are not supposed to διδάσκω, and that is the problem.

As for the topic itself I don't really care, but don't talk as if going to the Greek will solve all your problems as if these people who use translations don't have a clue... The statement that Paul does not give liberty for women to teach exists plainly in the Greek.

I'm one of the first people to go into history and context and linguistics to get to the root of hard topics, but I should hope my method of presenting it is very much unlike yours...


It also may be useful for you know know that you can hyperlink directly to a post, to get the proper adress for that just click the post number in the top-right corner. In this case I'm linking to the post I quoted.

And I'm suppose to take you seriously ? When your sporting a Avatar symbol; for a mating system involving one male and two or more females? Polygyny ? Or maybe I'm wrong ?

God uses women to teach that is that. I gave the scriptures for that. You think I'm going to ignore pick and choose what is written ? I'm going to make a conclusion based on all of it.

Too many people, like to twist Paul's teachings for their own benefits ; even at the expense of Christian women.

 

[dliz]

I guess one of the reasons why im oppose on having a female pastor is that women tend to be very emotional and wouldn't it be very awkward to look at a pregnant pastor while delivering her sermon. hihi

 

[GreenNnice]

I guess one of the reasons why im oppose on having a female pastor is that women tend to be very emotional and wouldn't it be very awkward to look at a pregnant pastor while delivering her sermon. hihi

Why? dlzzz, I think that's just the reason God tells us as male and female we are the same in Him, WE are the ones who adulterate His ways and His thoughts for us, and, not saying a pregnant woman pastor is perfect situation , for certain, but women, men SHOULD concentrate not on the person but , rather, on the message He wants us to receive

 

[Crazy4GODword]

I have women in my church who say they prefer men pastors, they even think that a women shouldnt be on the pulpit. But they have their opinions haha

 

[Abiding]

I guess one of the reasons why im oppose on having a female pastor is that women tend to be very emotional and wouldn't it be very awkward to look at a pregnant pastor while delivering her sermon. hihi

emotional woman? i dont think I ever met one of those

 

[Crazy4GODword]

I guess one of the reasons why im oppose on having a female pastor is that women tend to be very emotional and wouldn't it be very awkward to look at a pregnant pastor while delivering her sermon. hihi

I have to agree that one of the reasons why its not best for women to be pastors, even tho they can be. women are more likely to be emotional even through speaches, lectures, etc. (i know i will soon be stoned by a group of females so bear with me) but im not saying some men dont do that either. Just more dominant in women...

 

[Abiding]

Why? dlzzz, I think that's just the reason God tells us as male and female we are the same in Him, WE are the ones who adulterate His ways and His thoughts for us, and, not saying a pregnant woman pastor is perfect situation , for certain, but women, men SHOULD concentrate not on the person but , rather, on the message He wants us to receive

Really, the same? As in the fullness of spiritualality and riches in Christ and equality of redemption.

Or same in gender and position? Do you breastfeed babies green? Why do you always misrepresent scripture

 

[dliz]

emotional woman? i dont think I ever met one of those

Ever heard of PMS? lol. Women tend to be very emotional when it's almost their monthly cycle. @_@

 

[GreenNnice]

Really, the same? As in the fullness of spiritualality and riches in Christ and equality of redemption.

Or same in gender and position? Do you breastfeed babies green? Why do you always misrepresent scripture

So, 'always,' eh, abidinggouse? Strong words. I, IF I were you, would take them STRAIGHT to God, seriously, do not pass another post from your mouth until your strong language concedes to cheapening ALWAYS what I say.

Just reading Scripture, it is indivisible and liberty for all, all free, all slave, all the same kind, all the same, breadtfeeding has zero to do with anything and you KNOW it. You can be so degrading to women.

God NEVER, in His Word outright condemns women to NEVER teach or NEVER preach men, but, certainly, squirrel, IF you interpret Scripture correctly. 1 Tim. 2:12 you speak of speaks of 'decision,' and, 2:13 speaks of order, so, does 14, flesh out the order of man first women second because of deception. Now, IF Adam had NOT sinned women as preachers makes a lot les sense, but Eve was DECEIVED while Adam sinned.
Still, where sin abounds, grace abounds more, so though man inclined to sin, that is still more 'orderly' than deception, so, woman , as verse 15 says, is saved in childbearing. THIS IS to be the walk of most women, but not all, abider, NEVER quench the Lord's leading and you just because not seen God put a woman pastor authoritatively over a congregation doesn't mean it doesn't happen

 

[nathan3]

A argument against women preachers based off emotionalism , is not well thought out.

All I have to do is turn on the T.V or search the internet, and there, for the world to see, a plethora of so called , minsters , teachers, preachers ,Evangelist, putting on a full range behavior not fit for a child to witness. Crying , monotone voices, turkey calling, side shows, hysterics galore ! All Men . The emotional women argument is very week.